WorldTraveller

Greece is different. The grave to cradle mentality runs deep, the over promises they have made are hard to undo, and nearly politically impossible to follow through on. Not to mention that they have no sway and are at the mercy of other nations, primarily Germany, simply because they don't have control of their own destiny ie. central bank. We need leadership, someone who will work tirelessly to forge relationships with their political adversaries, someone who will compromise, and that when all is said and done, gets results.. Unfortunately, that person doesn't live in the WH

He doesn't know any better. He's a defender of the status quo, and the status quo assures us of a debt crisis. It will take bold leadership to address our looming fiscal nightmare, and the president doesn't have what it takes to get the job done.

If I was you, I would be upset as well. I know that supporting a person who has failed is not an easy thing to do, specially having to try to defend his failed record and leadership. I supported bush until he signed Medicare D, and amongst the people I talked politics too, specially the conservatives, they hated hearing my constant bashing of bush for being a fiscal fraud. Maybe you will someday value results over the indivdual you support. I find that to be much more admirable. There is no getting around this, Obama is the president, and we should all expect results, not excuses. It was a golden opportunity, and he blew it

A golden opportunity was brought to us because of the tea party. They were elected on a mandate, a mandate to change the status quo, a mandate to try to rein in the deficit. They leveraged their mandate to where the leader of the house and Obama could have a golden opportunity to have a real substantive debt reduction. As they were hammering out the deal, boehner took hard hits from the tea party by producing 400 billion in revenues, the tea party was livid, but boehner delivered. But when Obama saw that the gang of six had been talking about possibly even more revenues, at least in their discussions, and Obama was hearing that he could be receiving lash back from his leftist extremist wing, he backed out of the deal and moved the goal posts. Effectively killing the deal. And as a result, we lost our AAA rating. That's not a vapid taking point, or my translation of what happened, but of what the detailed WAPO piece and Woodward excerpts said.

As I tried explaining to our friend from PA. Great leaders forge relationships with their political adversaries, they constantly work to cultivate those relationships, when those relationships become workable, things get done. By all accounts, Obama has failed miserably in this area, and according to many people, he simply doesn't have the desire to do what it takes to reach out a Ross the aisle. These aren't my words, these are the words of these reporters who had access to the WH to write these books and articles. Reagan and Clinton would of never of let our country lose our AAA rating. Obama failed

Obama is not a leader

Nope, Obama backed out of the deal, according to WAPO and Woodward. I know it kills you that the spin Meisters from the democratic party fed you a different narrative that was more convenient for you, and that it made you feel a little better inside being able to parrot false talking points, but that simply wasn't the case. In any case, Obama blew it and we lost our AAA rating

Save your vapid talking points for your own ilk. That **** doesn't work with me. It's not accurate, it's a talking point meant to fool the sheeple, in this case you.

Also, this "hostage" talk that you keep bringing up, is talking points that were provided by democratic lawmakers so that leftist sheeple could parrot it to anyone who would listen. I'm surprised that you were so easily fooled, I thought you were a little brighter than that. Read up on the story, then get back to me

I understand that you don't want to accept what truly happened, that's what happens to naive people such as yourself, I suggest you read the WAPO story that was posted on the debt debacle or for that matter the released excerpts for the Woodward book. Boehner brought him the deal, and Obama at the last minute changed the parameters, thus leading to the failure of the debt deal. If Clinton or Reagan were president, a deal would have been made, fact is Obama failed, and as a result we lost our AAA credit rating. Obama doesn't deserve re election.

Nope, I will continue to point out that the debt debacle, which led to the downgrade of our AAA rating, for the first time in US history falls mainly on president obamas heels. He's the president, the leader and he blew it. Obama isn't fit to lead

That made no sense

Obama politicized the issue in 2006 as a senator and as president, he backed out of the deal simply because he was afraidd of his extremist leftist base. He's not fit to lead.

The headlines just about everywhere I'm reading, which is NY Times, WAPO, Politico, Weeklystandard, Drudge (Plastered everywhere ), National Review, National Journal so on and so on is not about Obama's convention, but the piss poor jobs report. Not the way he would of liked for it to be

Such disparity.... gallup gives him + 9 Rasmussen gives him - 8

You know when Andrea Mitchell begins to worry, there is cause for concern.

I think Juror just popped a blood vessel It's all good.....

Such vitriol relax lil buddy, no need to get in a hissy fit

Hold on a second, that's not what was said. Chef said: Then Koolaid said: Then you said: Then When I asked you why you considered it to be "extreme" you responded with: Where did they say or imply "That ALL it takes is hard work"? or "Work hard and no matter what soon enough you'll be rich -- and if you don't get rich it's because you didn't work hard enough." I'll tell you where, no where. You see, you just added that in there, it wasn't stated or even implied. It was mentioned as a component of what it takes to try to get there. All Kool aid said was "Im trying to work my way there" You're wrong on this one, and I'll argue that what was "extreme" was your perception of his statement. On a sidenote, I love deconstructing arguments like this

That's a low blow

Doesn't make it a fact, makes it an opinion. I'm a staunch fiscal conservative, When Bush signed the Medicare Part D, I sat out the elections. So if you want to assume that it's political, then thats your opinion. I happen to agree with the decisions of opposing most of Obama's agenda.

Obviously you don't know what a "fact" is. So allow me to educate you: What you stated, was your opinion. You believe they were obstructionist for purely political reasons and discount their motives. I for one am glad that they in your words "obstructed" Obama's agenda of higher spending, with the intentions of temporarily stimulating the economy. Fiscal conservatives vehemently disagree with the presidents policies because we believe that they don't solve the countries problems. Bush was a big spender, and as a result fiscal conservative minded voters didn't turn out for the 2006 mid term and 2008 presidential elections. That is what we call "message received". So you can pretend to know what you are talking about, which you don't, and spout your own OPINIONS and try to cast them off as facts, but we know better. So please, spare us your bull ****

Some of the Reviews: Krauthammer: "One of the emptiest speeches I ever heard"