CosmicBills Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Forget about what RK said, I'm trying to have you answer a simple question. Generally speaking, do you believe there is a subsect of our society that isn't getting their "fair" share? If so, who and why? Women still make almost 20 cents less on the dollar than men do in this country alone. But to be fair, that's because their brains aren't as big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) Tgreg...read both articles and then explain to me why this girl and those like her gets a spot in line for college and government favor before my child does. I would like a clear answer in plain language so I can understand it http://usnews.nbcnew...gal-status?lite http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1135794 Edited August 14, 2012 by RkFast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 No, this is not what Trickle Down economics are at all. Trickle Down economics specifically references Chicago School, Supply-Side Reaganomics which have far more in common with Keynesianism and Neo-Keynesianism than market based solutions. Could you please expand on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Tgreg...read both articles and then explain to me why this girl and those like her gets a spot in line for college and government favor before my child does. I would like a clear answer in plain language so I can understand it http://usnews.nbcnew...gal-status?lite http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1135794 Because your child has more options that the girl in the article has in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldTraveller Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Women still make almost 20 cents less on the dollar than men do in this country alone. But to be fair, that's because their brains aren't as big. So you think that's because of unfair practices from employers, or other factors such as motherhood?And do you believe that legislation can help solve this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Who hires contractors? Civilized people. That's why I work so I can hire someone to do the work for me and get it done in a reasonable amount of time. My sister is finally getting her kitchen done...after probably 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Civilized people. That's why I work so I can hire someone to do the work for me and get it done in a reasonable amount of time. My sister is finally getting her kitchen done...after probably 30 years. Also, this is nearly the perfect reference to the benefits of specialisation in a modern economy: I can be far more productive in my specialized field than in the field of carpentry if alloted the same amount of man hours, so if I'm going to working, it makes more sense for me to do so in my field, pay a carpenter, and pocket the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 So you think that's because of unfair practices from employers, or other factors such as motherhood?And do you believe that legislation can help solve this problem? Are you implying it's justified to pay someone less than you pay someone else for doing the same job simply because they have a vagina where their penis should be? You asked for a subsect of our society that doesn't get their fair share. Women of all races and creeds -- over 50% of the population -- continue to be paid less for the same jobs as men. I'm not claiming to know how to remedy it but pretending inequality doesn't exist is just dishonest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldTraveller Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) <p><p>Stats can be misleading when you just look at them at face value. Regarding gender gap, women work less than men do, that affects outcome. Women on average are more likely to look for part-time work and they usually have more gaps in between time and enter into lower paying fields. There was a consulting company named Consad that did a study on behalf of the Labor department that found that on an apples to apples basis, the real difference is somewhere between 5 - 7% here it is http://www.consad.co...inal Report.pdf Also American Association of University of Women that believes 5% is the number here it is http://www.aauw.org/...boutpaygap1.pdf I believe it's important for people to know the true facts of why outcomes are what they are. It's easier to believe in victimization, it appeals to many of us, however I don't fall that in camp and usually find that it's usually explained by other rational explanations. Edited August 14, 2012 by WorldTraveller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) Also, this is nearly the perfect reference to the benefits of specialisation in a modern economy: I can be far more productive in my specialized field than in the field of carpentry if alloted the same amount of man hours, so if I'm going to working, it makes more sense for me to do so in my field, pay a carpenter, and pocket the difference. Plus if I did it the contractor would have a harder time becoming prosperous. Amazing how that works huh. That's how you share prosperity, not through the government. Get it now lefties?? Edited August 14, 2012 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldTraveller Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I'm trying to have a rational discussion with you, lets not dumb it down with these sort of questions. "Are you implying it's justified to pay someone less than you pay someone else for doing the same job simply because they have a vagina where their penis should be?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Are you implying it's justified to pay someone less than you pay someone else for doing the same job simply because they have a vagina where their penis should be? You asked for a subsect of our society that doesn't get their fair share. Women of all races and creeds -- over 50% of the population -- continue to be paid less for the same jobs as men. I'm not claiming to know how to remedy it but pretending inequality doesn't exist is just dishonest. You couldn't leave well enough alone. The gender pay gap exists for the simple reason that people can misapply the statistics. When numbers are parsed to analyze pay at same level of employment and experience, the gender pay gap disappears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Because your child has more options that the girl in the article has in the first place. What in the holy hell are you talking about? Are you honestly suggesting that this girl should get priority at a US college over his daughter because she wasn't born here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Stats can be misleading when you just look at them at face value. Regarding gender gap, women work less than men do, that affects outcome. Women on average are more likely to look for part-time work and they usually have more gaps in between time and enter into lower paying fields. There was a consulting company named Consad that did a study on behalf of the Labor department that found that on an apples to apples basis, the real difference is somewhere between 5 - 7% here it is http://www.consad.co...inal Report.pdf Also American Association of University of Women that believes 5% is the number here it is http://www.aauw.org/...boutpaygap1.pdf I believe it's important for people to know the true facts of why outcomes are what they are. It's easier to believe in victimization, it appeals to many of us, however I don't fall that in camp and usually find that it's usually explained by other rational explanations. Yup. That's why of the world's top 50 billionares, there are a whopping 3 women. Look, I said from the beginning I don't believe there is such a thing as fair in a big boy's world. The world plays by its own rules and fair has nothing to do with them. I don't believe in playing the victim card but that doesn't mean we live in a utopia where everyone is guaranteed equal opportunity to succeed. That's just not reality. We're people, we see differences in one another whether we admit to it or not. What in the holy hell are you talking about? Are you honestly suggesting that this girl should get priority at a US college over his daughter because she wasn't born here? That's not at all what I'm saying. Is RK saying that the girl in the article took the one and only spot his kid was chasing? I'm trying to have a rational discussion with you, lets not dumb it down with these sort of questions. "Are you implying it's justified to pay someone less than you pay someone else for doing the same job simply because they have a vagina where their penis should be?" We are having a rational discussion. But that doesn't mean it has to be done without humor, does it? You couldn't leave well enough alone. The gender pay gap exists for the simple reason that people can misapply the statistics. When numbers are parsed to analyze pay at same level of employment and experience, the gender pay gap disappears. My real world job experience says otherwise. I've worked for plenty of women who got paid far less than their co-workers. Some of the women even outranked the men who were higher paid than them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldTraveller Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Yes you do, you just reaffirmed by saying "Yup. that's why of the worlds top 50 billonares, there are a whopping 3 women" I gave you rational reasons to why, not just cited the studies. You didn't even bother to look at the studies to see if they made sense to you. Rather than that, you decided to stick with your guns, which was based off of regurgitated face valued stats that don't show the real picture. I'm trying to give you the reasons to why the outcomes are as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) That's not at all what I'm saying. Then explain what you were saying. He asked why the child of an illegal immigrant would get a spot ahead of his US child at a US college and you said "Because your child has more options that the girl in the article has in the first place. " What does that mean? Edited August 14, 2012 by LABillzFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Yes you do, you just reaffirmed by saying "Yup. that's why of the worlds top 50 billonares, there are a whopping 3 women" I gave you rational reasons to why, not just cited the studies. You didn't even bother to look at the studies to see if they made sense to you. Rather than that, you decided to stick with your guns, which was based off of regurgitated face valued stats that don't show the real picture. I'm trying to give you the reasons to why the outcomes are as such. I'm reading your stuff now... I'm not sticking to my guns because of any statistics I've read or regurgitated. I'm sticking to my guns because of what my experience shows me every day. We're human beings. We spend our days making judgements on the people we interact with. These judgements, shaped by our own individual experiences, affect our interactions with others. They affect our decisions in our social lives as well as our business lives. Everyone has biases, everyone feels more comfortable around people they identify with. What you're suggesting is that people act like robots -- completely rational, completely calculated, completely fair at all times when history shows this is just not true. Is that really the reality of your world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I'm reading your stuff now... I'm not sticking to my guns because of any statistics I've read or regurgitated. I'm sticking to my guns because of what my experience shows me every day. We're human beings. We spend our days making judgements on the people we interact with. These judgements, shaped by our own individual experiences, affect our interactions with others. They affect our decisions in our social lives as well as our business lives. Everyone has biases, everyone feels more comfortable around people they identify with. What you're suggesting is that people act like robots -- completely rational, completely calculated, completely fair at all times when history shows this is just not true. Is that really the reality of your world? The reality of my world is that I started working here on the exact same day as a girl roughly my age. I make more money than her...because I asked for it. She took what I was offered, I did not. And as far as I'M concerned, that exact scenario explains away a MAJOR chunk of the "gender gap." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldTraveller Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Actually, that is reality to me. On a large scale, I don't see victimization here in the US. I don't see things that way. I'm just not programmed like that, I happen to believe that for the most part, we all have opportunities to succeed and that our outcomes are a direct result of what we put back into this life. I felt that way as a child and I still feel that way today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Then explain what you were saying. He asked why the child of an illegal immigrant would get a spot ahead of his US child at a US college and you said "Because your child has more options that the girl in the article has in the first place. " What does that mean? His daughter grew up in a white, Christain household with money. She has been given every advantage (but for a penis) a person in this country could start off with (white skin, belief in Jesus, financial stability). She probably worked her ass off to get good grades, grinded *****y jobs to flesh out her resume, getting glowing letters of reccomendations from other white, Christian upstanding citizens. She's getting into college. If Government hand outs are to be avoided and only to be used by people who need it -- RK's daughter doesn't need to be put in the front of the line. She can get in on her own. And, if a state college won't take her a private college will. Because she earned a chance. Even if she didn't earn the chance, since RK has the money there will be an opportunity for her to get her college on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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