atlbillsfan1975 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 In the Bills defense Gronk had huge red flags because of his back, even his dad thought he would never play again. That is why they took Hernandez as well in the same draft. I hated him at UF but god was he a stud. The Patsies could afford to take a risk on a player with a questionable medical history. They were a far more complete team then Buffalo at that point. They gambled and won. So how is Troup doing health wise? He has a very uphill battle, but no GM likes to admit he was wrong. Troup will get every opportunity to prove he deserves a spot. Having said that i do not believe Nix or Chan would keep him unless he is equal to or better then any the more costly vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 look, edwards is going nowhere. the guy is really solid and has monster moments, ( redskins game). i know they had a couple lineman hurt, but cmon, the guy can play and is good. you want at least one sure thing as a backup at dt... carrington and heard fill out at dt. i say we keep 10 dlineman. mario merriman anderson kelsay johnson dareus williams edwards carrington heard.... What 4-3 NFL teams keep 10 DL on the roster? It's one thing to have 10 DL who could contribute and are worth keeping It's another thing to give 10 roster spots to the DL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Is this thread about Troup or Gronk? I could care less about Gronk and was curious to hear how Troup was doing. Besides, I thought this was a Bills board I hear ya Bro... And realistically, if we're going to look at the Troup Pick vs another player, should we not be looking at Terrence Cody? The Bills were going to take a 3-4 NT...They reached a bit for Troup, and Cody has been rock-solid for the Ravens... Anyway...Not sure if you saw this article in late May...Troup's Redemption... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsObserver Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Just a few things: Prior to the injury, Troup was having the camp of his life and looked really good. Last thing I heard was he'll be close to ready come camp time. You can learn a lot about a guy on Twitter. Some guys post their business like you wouldn't believe. Troup is constantly at the gym rehabbing and looking for ways to get better. The kid has the work ethic, no doubt. Can he stay healthy this year is the big question? He's still got a shot, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAWNDO Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I think he gets this training camp to prove himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Troup was never injured in college and he is huge. Like monster huge, If he can stay healthy he could be a decent contributor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstencel Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) look, edwards is going nowhere. the guy is really solid and has monster moments, ( redskins game). i know they had a couple lineman hurt, but cmon, the guy can play and is good. you want at least one sure thing as a backup at dt... carrington and heard fill out at dt. i say we keep 10 dlineman. mario merriman anderson kelsay johnson dareus williams edwards carrington heard.... Cant see heard making the team honestly. We arent playing 2 gap scheme anymore. Troup is more suited for the new scheme than Heard is a lot more athletic when healthy, and if can get/stay healthy, think he is first off the bench for DT rotation honestly. Edwards and Carrington may be better passrushers at this point, but think Troup is better all around player in the DT role myself. Obviously health isnt a guarentee so is a chance he may not even make team if isnt recovered enough from back injury, but have high hopes myself. What 4-3 NFL teams keep 10 DL on the roster? It's one thing to have 10 DL who could contribute and are worth keeping It's another thing to give 10 roster spots to the DL Believe Giants have a couple of times in last few years. Not positive though. Though I am counting the ones on IR . Edited July 4, 2012 by rstencel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Sure, but the Bills had a need for a TE as well. The question was do you take a chance on the top rated TE in the draft, one that was at one point projected a top 10 pick but had an injury concern OR on a long shot DT that you are hoping can fill a need at DT because of a switch to the 3-4. The Troup pick was very similar to the Hardy pick in that it seemed the player was picked to "fill the need" vs. an overall evaluation of talent. Have you ever followed the Bills? They don't value the tight end position at all. If they hadn't stumbled upon Chandler, we wouldn't have gone out and picked up a good FA or drafted one before the 4th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Ok. Two things are really bothering me about this thread so much it's unreal. First of all, yes, Gronkowski is a Buffalo raised kid but how bout we consider not giving him as much praise for this considering he left the state his senior year to play HS football in PA. I'm just getting so annoyed of hearing people say we should LOVE this kid because he's from Buffalo. He apparently loved it so much that he moved away for better opportunities. To me it sounds like someone that didn't want to be here. I say F-him. Second, is in one of your previous posts you had the balls to say that he's on a path to become one of the best TEs of all time. WTF!!! really??? Were already acknowledging him after just 2 seasons that he's going to be one of the best of all time? Your crazy. If his career stats even amount to Shockeys then I will buy you dinner. And Shockey was great in his first few years but still doesn't come close to the career killers at the position. Gonzo, Gates, Sharpe are 3 guys that Gronk won't even come close to. Time will tell on this argument but your expectations (and that's all they are at this point) are rediculous. Those guys have broken records, some that will probably never be broken. If you say F-him to Gronk for leaving Buffalo for better opportunities, you better prepared to say the same to at least 1/2 the posters on this board. Did you notice the recent where are you now Bills fan thread? And the guy has put up better numbers than all those guys you mention in his first 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booger Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 If you say F-him to Gronk for leaving Buffalo for better opportunities, you better prepared to say the same to at least 1/2 the posters on this board. Did you notice the recent where are you now Bills fan thread? And the guy has put up better numbers than all those guys you mention in his first 2 years. Honestly, not even worth a response anymore. It is getting pretty bad on the board with people who post that obviously don't think about what they are writing and more so have no evidence to back anything they type up. People really think that by making up stats and making blind statements they are contributing and building a positive reputation with the other members of this board. Time to start calling these guys out...not for the fact to give them more publicity for their stupidity but to prevent people with true football knowledge and insight from leaving the forum and no longer contributing. Oh yeah. MRAGS, still waiting on that dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 What 4-3 NFL teams keep 10 DL on the roster? It's one thing to have 10 DL who could contribute and are worth keeping It's another thing to give 10 roster spots to the DL 92 cowboys, the 010 lions kept 11... giants the past few years i believe.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Have you ever followed the Bills? They don't value the tight end position at all. If they hadn't stumbled upon Chandler, we wouldn't have gone out and picked up a good FA or drafted one before the 4th round. Sounds like a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) Post definitely got away from the point but I believe that was due to the lack of football knowledge that was exposed on the board. People post and respond with zero knowledge of a situation OR seem to make up their own scenarios without ever reading up on things. It's cool. We all understand you have something to learn about the game. Don't be afraid to ask questions. We'll be happy to help. First things first, a touchdown is worth six points. Edited July 4, 2012 by jeremy2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Just a few things: Prior to the injury, Troup was having the camp of his life and looked really good. Last thing I heard was he'll be close to ready come camp time. You can learn a lot about a guy on Twitter. Some guys post their business like you wouldn't believe. Troup is constantly at the gym rehabbing and looking for ways to get better. The kid has the work ethic, no doubt. Can he stay healthy this year is the big question? He's still got a shot, in my opinion. Thats what i know of him^. Coaches were very high on him and his development just before injury. And the latest article Troup's Redemption really make me think the kid is the kind of guy we want to succeed for us. Tough battle this year for DT positions. If his back is fully repaired and he can learn to better his leverage at the point of attack he might have a big upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 92 cowboys, the 010 lions kept 11... giants the past few years i believe.. That's a negative on the giants....they rotated through more players with injuries but only had 8 or 9 active on the roster at one time. 2011 Defensive Linemen: (8) 2010 Defensive Linemen: (9) I think Lions in 2010 kept 9 - Linky1. LIkewise, they rotated through more players with injuries, but only 9 on the roster. IR and PS do not count Point being, it's pretty typical to keep 25 players on offense, 25 players on defense, and 3 ST. Backups are needed at LB, and the numbers are usually slated in favor of the DB - usually backups for the nickle package at least. So that would be 10 or 11 DB, 6 LB, and 8 or 9 DL, depending upon how the talent is perceived, ST skills for the younger guys, and flexibility (whether a DL can play DE/DT). That's just the hard math. It's a good situation to be in when we may have to cut some players we'd prefer to keep, but folks who say we're keeping 10 DL because there are 10 they like aren't looking at the hard realities of the big picture. If you keep 10 DL, where are you gonna cut back? Offense? only keep 3 backup DB to the 6 that go on the field in the dime package? Only keep 2 backup LB? Do any of those choices sound smart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) That's a negative on the giants....they rotated through more players with injuries but only had 8 or 9 active on the roster at one time. 2011 Defensive Linemen: (8) 2010 Defensive Linemen: (9) I think Lions in 2010 kept 9 - Linky1. LIkewise, they rotated through more players with injuries, but only 9 on the roster. IR and PS do not count Point being, it's pretty typical to keep 25 players on offense, 25 players on defense, and 3 ST. Backups are needed at LB, and the numbers are usually slated in favor of the DB - usually backups for the nickle package at least. So that would be 10 or 11 DB, 6 LB, and 8 or 9 DL, depending upon how the talent is perceived, ST skills for the younger guys, and flexibility (whether a DL can play DE/DT). That's just the hard math. It's a good situation to be in when we may have to cut some players we'd prefer to keep, but folks who say we're keeping 10 DL because there are 10 they like aren't looking at the hard realities of the big picture. If you keep 10 DL, where are you gonna cut back? Offense? only keep 3 backup DB to the 6 that go on the field in the dime package? Only keep 2 backup LB? Do any of those choices sound smart? my mistake, i think the 09 lions... or 08? i know for sure the 92 cowboys did. haley hill tolbert jeffcoat maryland casillas lett jones noonan hennings- the giants kept 9... with kiwanuka? Edited July 4, 2012 by MARCELL DAREUS POWER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Cant see heard making the team honestly. We arent playing 2 gap scheme anymore. Troup is more suited for the new scheme than Heard is a lot more athletic when healthy, and if can get/stay healthy, think he is first off the bench for DT rotation honestly. Edwards and Carrington may be better passrushers at this point, but think Troup is better all around player in the DT role myself. Obviously health isnt a guarentee so is a chance he may not even make team if isnt recovered enough from back injury, but have high hopes myself. Believe Giants have a couple of times in last few years. Not positive though. Though I am counting the ones on IR . I think you nailed it on Troup. If he's not ready at the start of camp, he may be put on PUP as a strategy while they wait to see who looks good with the pads on. If he's 100% ready he has a shot, but if he's not healthy, there are plenty of bodies. The Bills don't have roster spots to spare for potential. I could be wrong, but I don't think Troup has PS eligibility? DL on IR and PS don't count. The hard math applies to the 53 man roster. my mistake, i think the 09 lions... or 08? i know for sure the 92 cowboys did. haley hill tolbert jeffcoat maryland casillas lett jones noonan hennings- the giants kept 9... with kiwanuka? I could be mistaken as well....this is actually kind of hard information to track as some sites will list guys who are on the PS or IR'd partway through the season, then the signee who replaces them. The bottom line point is it's very hard to have 10 DL on the 53 man roster. Taking out the 3 STers, that would be 1/5 of the roster and 40% of the D roster. It's not like you can send a DL to play backup LB or DB - not on a quality team, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstencel Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I think you nailed it on Troup. If he's not ready at the start of camp, he may be put on PUP as a strategy while they wait to see who looks good with the pads on. If he's 100% ready he has a shot, but if he's not healthy, there are plenty of bodies. The Bills don't have roster spots to spare for potential. I could be wrong, but I don't think Troup has PS eligibility? DL on IR and PS don't count. The hard math applies to the 53 man roster. I could be mistaken as well....this is actually kind of hard information to track as some sites will list guys who are on the PS or IR'd partway through the season, then the signee who replaces them. The bottom line point is it's very hard to have 10 DL on the 53 man roster. Taking out the 3 STers, that would be 1/5 of the roster and 40% of the D roster. It's not like you can send a DL to play backup LB or DB - not on a quality team, anyway. I was more refering to keeping 10 on team, not on active roster, thats why put smiley face on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 One factor not yet mentioned (I think) that may help Troup is that with the team going to the 4-3 with an emphasis on quick, penetrating DTs, Troup will possibly benefit in two ways: 1) He can lose weight which would theoretically reduce the strain on his lower back. 2) He only has to play one gap and won't have to fight double teams which theoretically will reduce the strain on his lower back. In essence, the change in scheme will change Troup's role with the team and this change might dovetail with helping reduce his back problems. The question then becomes whether Troup has the quickness to play up to his new role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) One factor not yet mentioned (I think) that may help Troup is that with the team going to the 4-3 with an emphasis on quick, penetrating DTs, Troup will possibly benefit in two ways: 1) He can lose weight which would theoretically reduce the strain on his lower back. 2) He only has to play one gap and won't have to fight double teams which theoretically will reduce the strain on his lower back. In essence, the change in scheme will change Troup's role with the team and this change might dovetail with helping reduce his back problems. The question then becomes whether Troup has the quickness to play up to his new role. The change of schemes will certainly benefit his back. He won't see much playing time as a backup on a loaded D-line. Edited July 4, 2012 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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