markgbe Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 smoking is dumb.... that is all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammered a Lot Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Not true. I'm pretty sure they've banned all tobacco products. Pretty sure a friend of mine got yelled at for dipping. Me personally, I used to go with Cherry Skoal but now I stick to Camel Snus. They are much neater, and easier to conceal. Not that I need to conceal for work at all but if you did need to it helps you get through your day. No rules against dipping according to the Bill's Fans rules of conduct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Anyone find it odd that people allow smoking to make their decisions for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) Saw our last home game Saturday at the Ralph - after 10 years as a season ticket holder in the club seats (sad)! And 50 years of going with my Dad to games and sitting in his season seats. Never thought we would give them up - but this whole smoking ban really made us mad. Guys from the Press Box are allowed to walk 5 feet outside the gate, smoke their cigarette, and then come right back into the stadium. You or me -NO. I am a considerate smoker (would only smoke away from non-smokers), but this is ridiculous. There is enough smoke in the parking lot every Sunday to cloud the air when the wind is still. When we bought our seasons, we had heated seats, minimal hassle getting into the game, and staff that made you feel appreciated. All of that is gone. Did some research, and found that only 3 of the 31 stadiums have rules similar to the Ralph. The other 90% of the stadiums either have smoking areas or allow fans to go to their cars and then re-enter the stadium. Washington even has a cigar bar in their stadium. I am not defending a bad habit - but the overuse of alcohol is an equally bad habit. This is okay since the organization makes money on this one! I am surprised that the Bills did this to further reduce their season ticket base - but it is their business to run. Looking forward to road trips next season to see our Bills - and ENJOY the experience. I'm sorry you feel that way but I have to tell you, we gave up our seasons in 2007 which we had for years because my Dad, a heavy smoker, couldn't handle the walk without getting seriously out of breath. Rather than give up the tickets, please consider giving up smoking. I am sure you must have thought about it a million times and I don't meant to get all paternalistic and patronizing on you. You are too smart not to know that sooner or later, you are going to have to give them up. I used to smoke and a diagnosis of kidney cancer in 1998 forced me to quit screwing around with my life. Maybe this is the time for you to take your shot at ridding yourself of this. Anyone find it odd that people allow smoking to make their decisions for them? It's an addiction. A really bad one. Edited December 27, 2011 by Mickey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Can't do that because they make money off of alcohol sales. Not only from sales but watch any NFL game and count the number of beer makers and their commercials. The league and the networks make $100's of millions (if not billions) of dollars thru alcohol advertising. So there's no way they are going to ban beer sales in the stadiums. Frankly, I find the obnoxious drunk to be more of a nuisance at a game than somebody smoking. Once time while watching a game at home as the camera pans thru the crowd showing various fans, my wife asked, 'why don't they show a group of drunken a-holes fighting on the upper deck'? I answered, 'because the commerial sponsors won't like that'. I'm a non-smoker but I never had a problem with letting other's go for a smoke in a designated smoking area. IMO, governments are really hypocrites when it comes to smoking. They issue all kinds of decrees and bans against smokers but have taken billions in payouts from funds negotiated with cigarette companies via litigation. They even issue bonds to fund their pet projects, all backed by the future stream of income from these payments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 smoking is dumb.... that is all People enjoy lots of things that are dumb. Should we ban them all? Some people ENJOY smoking and drinking while watchign football, it is just a fact. I am a non smoker non drinker but I empathize completely it is ridiculous to not set up a smokking section, it is gods green earth the Ralph is standing on, not the inside of an airplane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Welcome to New York State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smears Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Well if anyway like me, I drink and watch football. When I drink I like smoking. When the Bills are losing I get stressed and want to smoke. Maybe I should just quit football and get rid of my habits....... The Bills havnt been too rewarding lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 So in terms of physical impact over the long haul, the cigarettes will ruin your lungs, but the Bills will tear your heart out. Hmmm, interesting choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 So in terms of physical impact over the long haul, the cigarettes will ruin your lungs, but the Bills will tear your heart out. Hmmm, interesting choice. actually cigarettes are a major cause of acute coronary artery disease as well so cigs are either going to give ya a heart attack, cancer or emphysema or both and future of having to carry around a tank in your later years gasping for breath. But go for it ya only live once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Saw our last home game Saturday at the Ralph - after 10 years as a season ticket holder in the club seats (sad)! And 50 years of going with my Dad to games and sitting in his season seats. Never thought we would give them up - but this whole smoking ban really made us mad. Guys from the Press Box are allowed to walk 5 feet outside the gate, smoke their cigarette, and then come right back into the stadium. You or me -NO. I am a considerate smoker (would only smoke away from non-smokers), but this is ridiculous. There is enough smoke in the parking lot every Sunday to cloud the air when the wind is still. When we bought our seasons, we had heated seats, minimal hassle getting into the game, and staff that made you feel appreciated. All of that is gone. Did some research, and found that only 3 of the 31 stadiums have rules similar to the Ralph. The other 90% of the stadiums either have smoking areas or allow fans to go to their cars and then re-enter the stadium. Washington even has a cigar bar in their stadium. I am not defending a bad habit - but the overuse of alcohol is an equally bad habit. This is okay since the organization makes money on this one! I am surprised that the Bills did this to further reduce their season ticket base - but it is their business to run. Looking forward to road trips next season to see our Bills - and ENJOY the experience. In sum, you would rather quit going to Bills games than quit smoking? Wow. Priorities seem a bit messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) I smoked cigarettes when I was in college, and still smoke cigars on occasion at my home. Even with that, I don't have a lot of sympathy here. Cigarette smoke can be very irritating to non smokers, even a ways away. Going 3 hours with out a smoke isn't the end of the world. Who knows, it might even save your life. The Ralph isn't exactly over flowing with extra space, I'm sure that factors in to them not having smoking areas. Edited December 27, 2011 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf Fub Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I can't blame you for giving them up. I don't smoke and, no offense, I don't really like being around smokers. However, it's an outdoor stadium and there is no reason why the team can't designate a smoking area. (like they had last year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Smokers are jokers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I am not a smoker so forgive me for not being able to empathize.I have a question I'd like a smoker to answer. Is it really that hard to go without a cigarette for 3 to 4 hours on a Sunday 7 times a year? Is it really that addictive? I can understand why Kim might be upset about the double standard but still can't get why she would give up her seats over not being able to smoke in such a small window of time. Would she have given up the seats if the double standard was not there? I like to drink, but if I was prevented from drinking inside the stadium, it would not cause me to stop going. There must be periods of time during the day when a smoker does not smok for 3-4 hours. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) I am not a smoker so forgive me for not being able to empathize.I have a question I'd like a smoker to answer. Is it really that hard to go without a cigarette for 3 to 4 hours on a Sunday 7 times a year? Is it really that addictive? I can understand why Kim might be upset about the double standard but still can't get why she would give up her seats over not being able to smoke in such a small window of time. Would she have given up the seats if the double standard was not there? I like to drink, but if I was prevented from drinking inside the stadium, it would not cause me to stop going. There must be periods of time during the day when a smoker does not smok for 3-4 hours. Right? This ^ is the key, I think this is more about "rights" for her... As far as the drinking analogy...It's not about whether its good for YOU or not... I've never heard of someone getting drunk from second hand drinking... If a person near you chooses to drink, you are not forced to drink with them. When one smokes though, you are forced to smoke with them. Edited December 27, 2011 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Wow... I was ready to come in here and sympathize as, after 20+ years of going to the games with my father, and almost 40 years of being season ticket holders, my family decided we should give up our tickets after the 2009 season. But, we gave up the tickets as a protest against Ralph and the Bills for consistently putting out a sub-par product. Not because they took away our favorite drug. There are many valid reasons to give up your tickets, unfortunately I dont think this is one of them. Good luck on your health in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve McCroskey Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking. And don't call me Shirley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) This ^ is the key, I think this is more about "rights" for her... As far as the drinking analogy...It's not about whether its good for YOU or not... I've never heard of someone getting drunk from second hand drinking... If a person near you chooses to drink, you are not forced to drink with them. When one smokes though, you are forced to smoke with them. (this reply is not aimed at you specifically, T-good) Rights?!? This is the worst argument from the smokers' side. They sound so ridiculous when they get all huffy about their "rights". As far as I know, there is nothing in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that says anything about people being allowed to do their drug of choice whenever and where ever they feel like it. Nor is anything written regarding the right to subject other people to your habit and mess with their health and safety. Her rights go about as far as her ability to stay home and smoke on her own property, since her drug of choice is legal. That's about it. Edited December 27, 2011 by DrDareustein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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