Delete This Account Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 hey, PTR: hope all's well. i seem to remember something you posted a little while ago that went something like this. ---- well, well, well Posted 12 September 2011 - 12:18 AM At the risk of starting another conflagration, I really want to know what the Buffalo sports media does when they are supposedly covering the team? Maybe John Wawrow could tell us. I can understand the national media has 31 other teams to cover and the Bills have been such an afterthought that few if any would bother to take a close look at us. But how do reporters, who's job it is to cover camp and practices, talk to players and coaches, etc, be so dead wrong on this team's prospects going into the season? Seriously, if all of you are so "shocked" by what you saw, what the f**k do you do all day? I do have a theory. Things have been so bad with the Bills the last 11 years that most of the press, thinking they are being unbiased, dismiss any good signs out of hand as being a mirage. And with the head gremlin Jerry Sullivan leading the charge, all the other reporters fall in line behind him. This is the only scenario I can imagine because the Bills didn't just expose the KC Chiefs today, they exposed the Buffalo News and WGR for short-changing local sports fans. PTR --- um ... well, ah ... in retrospect ... i think your theory was, well, disproved. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Oh there's a lot folks eating their printed words today. And many still are in denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) Amateur opinionists that we are, there's not a single person on this board who's ineligible for a big old batch of "I told ya so", regarding one topic or another. I realize it was an unjustified slight on the local sports media, but I don't think PTR deserves to be singled out for a 3-month old post. Go back to September and most of us look like dumbies. Edited December 5, 2011 by SageAgainstTheMachine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I like and respect you as a poster; however, this is a big FU post. Hence, so is my reply. I'm used to posters coming here the very morning after the Bills are officially eliminated from the playoffs... yet again, and posting how right they were to say the team sucked all along. I just never figured you for one of those classless jag offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOBILLS78 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Oh there's a lot folks eating their printed words today. And many still are in denial. Isn't that the truth. When they were 2-0 I actually went on this board and said they could "squeak out 8 or 9 wins." I'll never learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 jw It's hard to post about the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 hey, PTR: hope all's well. i seem to remember something you posted a little while ago that went something like this. ---- well, well, well Posted 12 September 2011 - 12:18 AM At the risk of starting another conflagration, I really want to know what the Buffalo sports media does when they are supposedly covering the team? Maybe John Wawrow could tell us. I can understand the national media has 31 other teams to cover and the Bills have been such an afterthought that few if any would bother to take a close look at us. But how do reporters, who's job it is to cover camp and practices, talk to players and coaches, etc, be so dead wrong on this team's prospects going into the season? Seriously, if all of you are so "shocked" by what you saw, what the f**k do you do all day? I do have a theory. Things have been so bad with the Bills the last 11 years that most of the press, thinking they are being unbiased, dismiss any good signs out of hand as being a mirage. And with the head gremlin Jerry Sullivan leading the charge, all the other reporters fall in line behind him. This is the only scenario I can imagine because the Bills didn't just expose the KC Chiefs today, they exposed the Buffalo News and WGR for short-changing local sports fans. PTR --- um ... well, ah ... in retrospect ... i think your theory was, well, disproved. jw You will find that at least every other post of PTR's is all about bashing media personnel. Seems he wanted to be one but failed and can't handle the fact that others succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Amateur opinionists that we are, there's not a single person on this board who's ineligible for a big old batch of "I told ya so", regarding one topic or another. I realize it was an unjustified slight on the local sports media, but I don't think PTR deserves to be singled out for a 3-month old post. Go back to September and most of us look like dumbies. I'm not sure about "most". A lot of people were saying 4-6 wins back then if memory serves (and getting bashed for being a negative nancy mind you). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Interesting revenge piece (although poor PTR is a fish in a barrel)---such a thread started with jw as a target would have resulted in warnings from the mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I'm not sure about "most". A lot of people were saying 4-6 wins back then if memory serves (and getting bashed for being a negative nancy mind you). I guess I meant late September, once the Bills were 3-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 hey, PTR: hope all's well. i seem to remember something you posted a little while ago that went something like this. [snippage] um ... well, ah ... in retrospect ... i think your theory was, well, disproved. jw Wow. Just wow. Aren't you the guy who comes on here trashing the board periodically about posters who lack class and make (what you deem) unjustified personal attacks? Find what you bring, maybe? Chan Gailey said it best after the first several wins. As I recall it was something to the effect of, there are some who thought we'd be a bad team, and we aren't as bad as they thought. Now that we've won, some are putting us on a pedestal, and we don't belong there either. Seems about right. Me, I thought the Bills lacked depth and could not sustain many injuries esp. on OL and D. And I thought the D sucked even when we were winning. Call me delusional if you like, but I think Promo's post that you dredged up still has some relevance: I can understand the national media has 31 other teams to cover and the Bills have been such an afterthought that few if any would bother to take a close look at us. But how do reporters, who's job it is to cover camp and practices, talk to players and coaches, etc, be so dead wrong on this team's prospects going into the season? Seriously, if all of you are so "shocked" by what you saw, what the f**k do you do all day? The media seemed to totally miss on predicting the Bill's early success, and then (with the injuries mounting) most missed on reporting their slide. This isn't unique to Buffalo, though. When I travel, and have the chance to watch cable and NFL network and such, I'm amazed by how shallow and lacking in depth/solid football understanding most of the media coverage is these days. It seems one used to both love and understand the game to be a sportswriter and football pundit, now all one needs is sarcasm and the ability to look good in a suit. Coming here to crow "I told you so" the day after the Bill's playoff hopes go down for the 12th straight year doesn't seem to change that, it just seems classless. Interesting revenge piece (although poor PTR is a fish in a barrel)---such a thread started with jw as a target would have resulted in warnings from the mods. Revenge, interesting choice of words. Wawrow has seemed to have a special status as a respected member of the news media. Interesting to see how this one goes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) Someone struck a nerve.... I guess you served him some crow, nice job! Edited December 5, 2011 by bouds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Coming here to crow "I told you so" the day after the Bill's playoff hopes go down for the 12th straight year doesn't seem to change that, it just seems classless. And it's more than just that. I think an unwritten rule of TSW is that you don't go dredging through old posts in an attempt to humiliate a specific person. If a thread just so happens to survive for a long time, or if new information of relevance comes to light - that's one thing. But this was uncalled for, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I guess I meant late September, once the Bills were 3-0. Not at 3-0 for me, but I must admit that at 5-2 I was questioning my assessment of the team a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Hey PTR has been here forever, media types come and go (BTW, this was kind of a classless post). I used t respect your work, you just took it down about 5 notches. If I was to grade the media/ like they do to the team after every game, I would think most get low scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 hey, PTR: hope all's well. i seem to remember something you posted a little while ago that went something like this. ---- well, well, well Posted 12 September 2011 - 12:18 AM At the risk of starting another conflagration, I really want to know what the Buffalo sports media does when they are supposedly covering the team? Maybe John Wawrow could tell us. I can understand the national media has 31 other teams to cover and the Bills have been such an afterthought that few if any would bother to take a close look at us. But how do reporters, who's job it is to cover camp and practices, talk to players and coaches, etc, be so dead wrong on this team's prospects going into the season? Seriously, if all of you are so "shocked" by what you saw, what the f**k do you do all day? I do have a theory. Things have been so bad with the Bills the last 11 years that most of the press, thinking they are being unbiased, dismiss any good signs out of hand as being a mirage. And with the head gremlin Jerry Sullivan leading the charge, all the other reporters fall in line behind him. This is the only scenario I can imagine because the Bills didn't just expose the KC Chiefs today, they exposed the Buffalo News and WGR for short-changing local sports fans. PTR --- um ... well, ah ... in retrospect ... i think your theory was, well, disproved. jw There's nothing quite as satisfying as pointing out the shortcomings of others is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 And it's more than just that. I think an unwritten rule of TSW is that you don't go dredging through old posts in an attempt to humiliate a specific person. If a thread just so happens to survive for a long time, or if new information of relevance comes to light - that's one thing. But this was uncalled for, in my opinion. Happens all the time. First thing I do is check to see if I'm part of the original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) Wow, can't believe I'm going to defend PTR here, but... The Buffalo sports media isn't in much of a position to thump its chest these days. You all have been underachieving for years - maybe not you specifically JW, but certainly as a group. There is very little meaningful, serious reporting on the Bills and Sabres. No one seems willing to ask the tough questions of Ralph and his cronies, for fear of being exiled from the small circle of team insiders. Honestly, the media has lagged almost as much as the Bills have over the last 15 years or so. And to make matters worse, many of you seem extremely thin-skinned when it comes to the slightest notion of criticism. It didn't take much to drive Tim Graham away from this site, and this thread is more of the same. You know what? Do a better job, be a bit more honest and rigorous in yoru reporting, and you'll command more respect. With the time it took to sift through old posts in order to respond to some perceived slight from an anonymous internet poster from months ago, you could've written a serious article about the pervasive mismanagement that has dogged this franchise for decades. Like, the fact that they only make roster moves to sell season tickets in July and August, and seem perfectly content with a late-season nosedive because the key revenues have already been pocketed. The story practically writes itself, yet for years has been almost completely unwritten... Edited December 5, 2011 by Coach Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) I think what jw meant to imply was that the media knew all along that Fred Jackson would be on pace for 1,600 yards and a Pro Bowl nod only before getting cut down due to injury. They all knew that Kyle Williams (the agreed upon heart and soul of our defense) would be stuck on the shelf after week 6. They all knew that in spite of the talent that exists on our roster, and the heart that our players showed early on, the universe WOULD come around and bite Buffalo in its big fat a$$, like it always does. That's the media's job, right? To predict based on an intuition derived from the forces of the cosmos. TRUTH. Edited December 5, 2011 by The Big Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Not really sure what the point of this thread is. To crap on the optimistic fans who were excited about how the Bills started the season??? I'm naturally an optimist person. But it's time to switch. I'm just going to talk about how bad the Bills are and then come back to brag about it when they start losing. It's going to be so awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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