Heels20X6 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 You are hopeless...you are one of those idtiots who would change the vernacular of a Mark Twain novel to fit your sensibilites...it is a much bigger world out there...your interpritation of this is pretty ignorant... Well, he IS a Sharks fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Oh what a difference four years makes Then "I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude." and now. "But while the president opposes those lyrics, Carney said, “he does not think that that is the sum total of this particular artist’s work which has been recognized by a lot of mainstream organizations and ‘fair and balanced’ organizations like Fox News, which described his music as positive.” Thank you for this. Once again; the topic itself is stupid. What it shows us about POTUS is what I take away from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Thank you for this. Once again; the topic itself is stupid. What it shows us about POTUS is what I take away from this. To each his own, I guess. To me this is the telling quote about the POTUS: "It's definitely on the schedule tentatively out there," [Obama]said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) Jon Stewart RIPS O'Reilly a new one here .... wow. youtube.com/watch?v=Im8WhG-8FGw Stewart's point was clever, but intellectually stupid, and it was convenient that it cut before a response could be given (although I doubt O'Reilly was smart enough to shut him down right there). Stewart's point was flawed on so many levels. First, Dylan and Bono weren't invited to the WH for the express purpose of espousing their "poetic" views on cop killing, nor was the controversy surrounding Common confined to his advocation of the cop killers alone, but of the general context and message of the "poem" that he read at the !@#$ing event. Saying the two are the same is like saying petting a dog and !@#$ing a dog are the same because they both involve physical contact with a dog. It's !@#$ing stupid Edited May 19, 2011 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) I'm just glad that Common is the only writer to ever use racial epithets and bad grammar in his work. Thanks for all your hard work in protecting all the impressionable kids out there. Not trying to protect anyone. Parents of their own responsible for that.I do think that the White House and the people that occupy it should have higher standards? Edited May 20, 2011 by Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) You are hopeless...you are one of those idtiots who would change the vernacular of a Mark Twain novel to fit your sensibilites...it is a much bigger world out there...your interpritation of this is pretty ignorant... Yeah your right. I just don't understand the brilliant wisdom of common's insightful lyrics. Mark Twain and Martin Scorcese have nothing on this modern day Plato. Touche Bufman. Exposed me for the backward rube that I am. Edited May 20, 2011 by Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) so there is no such thing as poetic license. the fact that English Beat railed against Margaret Thatcher should preclude them from being invited to any Labor function. and that the Replacements collectively affiliated themselves to Bastards, should cause their remaining members to now somehow be connected to Arnold Schwarzenegger? and Neil Sedeka was truly against Prince Charles, given his version of "Diana," and Lynyrd Skynard was against Neil Young, even though he was invited to the post-crash funeral. lyrics are lyrics, intentions are a little different. and for those who wonder about the true meaning of "Who Shot the Sherriff," well, it's a cultural thing. Sherriff's in Jamaica were generally white, and men of authority, thus making them the antagonizer, as opposed to the deputies, who were generally black and native Jamaicans. so in what is essentially a protest song, it would be a bigger crime to kill a deputy. i'm guessing toby keith isn't a big hit in iraq, and the Who failed to die before they actually got old. but if we're going to be debating music and credibility, i really don't think the right wing faction on this board has an addled leg to stand on, given that the blue-suited establishment has generally been on the wrong side of the common people, who's only voice in creative debate is left to music. unless, of course, you're a dan hill and john ford coley fan, and that's essentially your problem. replace "Common" with "Joe Strummer," and see where that gets the anti-Common arguments. how Reagan ever got away with Springsteen's "Born in the USA," is another matter altogether, given that, lyrically, it was a Viet Nam protest song. but the tin-eared and blind masses ate that one up. can it not be given that minorities have been discriminated against by those in power? is it not then accepted that those aggrieved parties voice their frustrations through what avenues are open to them, literature and music. gawd, imagine if the dixie chicks were invited to the white house. or sean penn. and yet ted nugent gets a free pass? this is a pinhole argument, where the right has railed against celebrities from having an opinion -- particularly when it's left-leaning, and yet hypocritacally blind when it comes to those few celebrities whose opinion favors theirs. jeeeeesuz, this is what is left of debate in this nation. time to get nero's violin. so long its rightly, tuned, i guess. jw. Edited May 20, 2011 by john wawrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Cthulhu Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Sweet baby jesus, thank you jw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Do people ever think that maybe Common was invited to the WH because he also does a lot of good. He runs a charity organization for at-risk kids, he runs a summer leadership program for kid, promotes AIDS and literacy awareness. Yeah, I may not agree with his lyrics/poems... however those words obviously don't completely define the person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Do people ever think that maybe Common was invited to the WH because he also does a lot of good. He runs a charity organization for at-risk kids, he runs a summer leadership program for kid, promotes AIDS and literacy awareness. Yeah, I may not agree with his lyrics/poems... however those words obviously don't completely define the person. That doesn't matter at all. He wrote a song about a convicted cop killer he believes is innocent, therefore, he is the anti-christ. Also, rap sucks, almost as much as the Sharks. Stewart's point was clever, but intellectually stupid, and it was convenient that it cut before a response could be given (although I doubt O'Reilly was smart enough to shut him down right there). Stewart's point was flawed on so many levels. First, Dylan and Bono weren't invited to the WH for the express purpose of espousing their "poetic" views on cop killing, nor was the controversy surrounding Common confined to his advocation of the cop killers alone, but of the general context and message of the "poem" that he read at the !@#$ing event. Saying the two are the same is like saying petting a dog and !@#$ing a dog are the same because they both involve physical contact with a dog. It's !@#$ing stupid He read no such "poem" at the event. The poem he chose to read was an inspirational one about overcoming hardships in the hood. "Cop killing" was never even broached by Common or even mentioned by the him or the White House until it became an issue for the right-wing media to rally over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 so there is no such thing as poetic license. the fact that English Beat railed against Margaret Thatcher should preclude them from being invited to any Labor function. and that the Replacements collectively affiliated themselves to Bastards, should cause their remaining members to now somehow be connected to Arnold Schwarzenegger? and Neil Sedeka was truly against Prince Charles, given his version of "Diana," and Lynyrd Skynard was against Neil Young, even though he was invited to the post-crash funeral. lyrics are lyrics, intentions are a little different. and for those who wonder about the true meaning of "Who Shot the Sherriff," well, it's a cultural thing. Sherriff's in Jamaica were generally white, and men of authority, thus making them the antagonizer, as opposed to the deputies, who were generally black and native Jamaicans. so in what is essentially a protest song, it would be a bigger crime to kill a deputy. i'm guessing toby keith isn't a big hit in iraq, and the Who failed to die before they actually got old. but if we're going to be debating music and credibility, i really don't think the right wing faction on this board has an addled leg to stand on, given that the blue-suited establishment has generally been on the wrong side of the common people, who's only voice in creative debate is left to music. unless, of course, you're a dan hill and john ford coley fan, and that's essentially your problem. replace "Common" with "Joe Strummer," and see where that gets the anti-Common arguments. how Reagan ever got away with Springsteen's "Born in the USA," is another matter altogether, given that, lyrically, it was a Viet Nam protest song. but the tin-eared and blind masses ate that one up. can it not be given that minorities have been discriminated against by those in power? is it not then accepted that those aggrieved parties voice their frustrations through what avenues are open to them, literature and music. gawd, imagine if the dixie chicks were invited to the white house. or sean penn. and yet ted nugent gets a free pass? this is a pinhole argument, where the right has railed against celebrities from having an opinion -- particularly when it's left-leaning, and yet hypocritacally blind when it comes to those few celebrities whose opinion favors theirs. jeeeeesuz, this is what is left of debate in this nation. time to get nero's violin. so long its rightly, tuned, i guess. jw. Hey John, right on time again. Do people ever think that maybe Common was invited to the WH because he also does a lot of good. He runs a charity organization for at-risk kids, he runs a summer leadership program for kid, promotes AIDS and literacy awareness. Yeah, I may not agree with his lyrics/poems... however those words obviously don't completely define the person. Basterd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 He read no such "poem" at the event. The poem he chose to read was an inspirational one about overcoming hardships in the hood. "Cop killing" was never even broached by Common or even mentioned by the him or the White House until it became an issue for the right-wing media to rally over. I don't care. I ain't no frickin monument to justice. Another quotable movie - Moonstruck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Stewart's point was clever, but intellectually stupid, and it was convenient that it cut before a response could be given (although I doubt O'Reilly was smart enough to shut him down right there). Stewart's point was flawed on so many levels. First, Dylan and Bono weren't invited to the WH for the express purpose of espousing their "poetic" views on cop killing, nor was the controversy surrounding Common confined to his advocation of the cop killers alone, but of the general context and message of the "poem" that he read at the !@#$ing event. Saying the two are the same is like saying petting a dog and !@#$ing a dog are the same because they both involve physical contact with a dog. It's !@#$ing stupid You will make a great lawyer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Lyrics generally mean ****. My best case in point.... Go read Slayer's lyrics....and then realize the guy who sings them is a devout Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Hey John, right on time again. Basterd! hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 How many people has Johhny Cash sung about killin? Delia's Gone openly calls for shooting your girlfriend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveinElma Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 How many people has Johhny Cash sung about killin? Delia's Gone openly calls for shooting your girlfriend! Their is a difference in fantastical lyrics about killing and lyrics glorify killings that are geared towards innercity kids who are living in a epidemic of violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) Their is a difference in fantastical lyrics about killing and lyrics glorify killings that are geared towards innercity kids who are living in a epidemic of violence. Yes, the difference seems to be that one is an old white man glorifying the murder of his woman, who, using your broadstroke argument, is gearing his music towards white people who love their guns more than they love their women. The other is a black street thug, singing about someone else murdering a police officer...the differences are black and white, why can't these people just see that? btw- what are "fantastical lyrics"? Did anyone actually listen to the song they are so outraged by? I am no rap fan, but I swear, I never once heard Common telling kids (or anyone else) to go out and kill police officers...you have a fantastical imagination... I wonder what any of you morons would think of Nick Cave... Edited May 20, 2011 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) Yes, the difference seems to be that one is an old white man glorifying the murder of his woman, who, using your broadstroke argument, is gearing his music towards white people who love their guns more than they love their women. The other is a black street thug, singing about someone else murdering a police officer...the differences are black and white, why can't these people just see that? btw- what are "fantastical lyrics"? Did anyone actually listen to the song they are so outraged by? I am no rap fan, but I swear, I never once heard Common telling kids (or anyone else) to go out and kill police officers...you have a fantastical imagination... I wonder what any of you morons would think of Nick Cave... Ok how about this difference. Cash is truly unique legendary talent and the other has absolutely no talent I can think of and virtually ANYONE could do it. For this reason alone he shouldn't have been considered for a White House visit. Hell, King Obama should invite a porn star next. Same kinda deal. Edited May 20, 2011 by Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew in CA Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Ok how about this difference. Cash is truly unique legendary talent and the other has absolutely no talent I can think of and virtually ANYONE could do it. For this reason alone he shouldn't have been considered for a White House visit. Hell, King Obama should invite a porn star next. Same kinda deal. Please become a millionaire hip-hop star, then. Anyone can rap? Really. Anyone can sing like !@#$ing Bob Dylan too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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