Pilsner Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I'm in no rush for DW to leave. I hope he kicks ass chews bubble gum and takes names. If he kicks too much ass he might be tempted to have another go at a HC position somewhere. Personally though I hope he does well and sticks around for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpcolosi Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 All this concern about the scheme! I'm concerned about the players.... If Pittsburgh switched to a 4-3 next year, they would still kick a**. The Bills need to get more defensive talent! nope. look at larry foote -a guy who dominated in pittsburgh and sucked it up in a 4-3 in detroit. scheme is huge. our HC and GM weren't on the same page day 1 with it (Gailey has only had his pittsburgh stint with a 3-4 if I am not mistaken and Nix, in the nfl at least, has never been around a 4-3). this worries me as it has since hte day we brought in chan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 We will be switching back and forth between the team schemes like we did for most of last year when it became obvious we couldn't run a 3-4 yet. Gailey came right out and said it after the season was over and bills.com/Wannstedt reiterated it this week. They even said they may change it week to week depending on who they play. It's a pretty risky strategy, and doesn't make a lot of sense as much more than a stopgap (which of course may be what we need right now). We don't have the personnel for either of them, but it seems hard to draft or for FA to sign here if you don't have a clear scheme. The top players I suppose can play both schemes, but even guys like, say, Merriman, seem much better fits in one scheme versus the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 2 things: (1) Wannstedt was obviously brought in to provide what Gailey/Nix/Edwards lack: 4-3 expertise. (2) Players who are scheme-specific will be less likely to be drafted by the Bills: On our Big Board there is a column "P2 Diff". This is "Position 2 Differential", or the number of slots the player slides if selected for the second position listed. Players Where It Makes No Difference: Fairley DE34 DT43 Peterson FS CB Players Who Are Scheme-Specific: Dareus DT43 DE34 Bowers DE43 DE34 Quinn OLB34 DE43 Sherrod LOT ROT Ayers SILB OLB34 2 things: (1) Wannstedt was obviously brought in to provide what Gailey/Nix/Edwards lack: 4-3 expertise. (2) Players who are scheme-specific will be less likely to be drafted by the Bills. On our Big Boardthere is a column "P2 Diff". This is "Position 2 Differential", or the number of slots the player slides if selected for the second position listed. Players Where It Makes No Difference: Fairley DE34 DT43 Peterson FS CB Players Who Are Scheme-Specific: Dareus DT43 DE34 Bowers DE43 DE34 Quinn OLB34 DE43 Sherrod LOT ROT Ayers SILB OLB34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 nope. look at larry foote -a guy who dominated in pittsburgh and sucked it up in a 4-3 in detroit. scheme is huge. our HC and GM weren't on the same page day 1 with it (Gailey has only had his pittsburgh stint with a 3-4 if I am not mistaken and Nix, in the nfl at least, has never been around a 4-3). this worries me as it has since hte day we brought in chan. dominated is a strong word, he was good, but nothing dominating...to me Ray Lewis is dominating. The other part of that is it was Detroit...I think you could put a pro bowl team in detroit and they would lose ten games, much like the current atmosphere in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 wondering if Wanny talks to Nix and Gailey about maybe going after any of his players from Pitt...anyone have any thoughts on these guys?: Jabaal Sheard, DE/OLB, Pittsburgh - round 2 or 3 ?? Jason Pinkston, OT, Pittsburgh - round 2-4 ?? Greg Romeus, DE, Pittsburgh - round 3-5 ?? Jonathan Baldwin*, WR, Pittsburgh round 1-3 ?? I've heard some on Greg Romeus on this site, but nothing of any of the others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 From this morning's article, directly out of Wanny's mouth: At the close of the 2010 campaign Gailey openly discussed a move to being a more multiple-front defense with possible weekly shifts from 3-4 to 4-3 fronts and vice versa depending on the opponent. Wannstedt is on board, but also recognizes that this offseason will demand a lot of planning and decision making from the defensive staff in determining their chief direction. “I think it will change a little bit week to week depending on what you’re trying to defend,” said Wannstedt. “But from the standpoint of what is going to be the foundation of our defense and in critical times what is going to be our bread and butter and what we’ll line up and execute and win with, I think those are the decisions in talking with George and his staff that we’re in the process of right now in the offseason.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Think hybrid, go green! btw I have no doubt that we will bring in a big asskicking space eating NT to support Troup. So Williams can be moved around. We will do a lot of team specific packages. WannStache said so today in his Buffalo Bills presser.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 McCargo is a better fit for the 4-3, the DW hiring now makes more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 nope. look at larry foote -a guy who dominated in pittsburgh and sucked it up in a 4-3 in detroit. scheme is huge. our HC and GM weren't on the same page day 1 with it (Gailey has only had his pittsburgh stint with a 3-4 if I am not mistaken and Nix, in the nfl at least, has never been around a 4-3). this worries me as it has since hte day we brought in chan. larry foote had about the same impact in detroit as he did in pitt but in pitt there were players around him that made more plays. in detroit there was nobody making plays so the defense sucked. look at ryan picket...340 lb's playing def end for green bay. ngata is 350 and playing end in baltimore. its all about getting guys that are athletes and play football along with solid coaching. clay matthews would tear it up in a 4-3 just as he does in the 3-4. we just have no talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Didn't Wanny run a hybrid 3-4 in Dallas with Charles Haley in the Shawne Merriman role (rush the passer most plays)? What'd they call that...the "elephant" D? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 The Bills appear completely and absolutely torn between which defense they want to play. There's evidence that points to each the 3-4 and the 4-3. 1. Edwards is a 3-4 guy. Wannstedt a 4-3. 2. Williams is a 3-4 DT. Merriman is a 3-4 OLB. 3. The Bills began drafting 3-4 guys. The Bills have more 4-3 guys on the roster. It's totally a mixed bag right now and until Gailey or Nix goes on record and says flat out we're one defense or another, we'll be guessing. It's hard to say what will happen. But we may continue to run some hybrid looks out of both base defenses. But you have to wonder, why did they bring in Wannstedt? He's a very experienced coach, 4-3 guy through and through, and he was brought here as an assistant head coach. What does that mean? Is it just a title, a form of respect? Or are they positioning him to take over the defense? Who the hell knows. I'm confused and it's bothering me because I really wanna know. Someone needs to tell us what Wannstedt's job is, what our defense is. It needs to be defined. Wannstedt will run the defense just like Chan runs the offense. They call Modkins the OC but on game day it is Chan calling the plays. Expect the same with Wannstedt. Wannstedt has played mostly 4-3 but that will not stop him from playing both. I susupect they will draft a versatile DLs and LBs and then play the system that best fits the talent. At least that is what i hope they do. I also suspect they will try to mix it up on defense, just like today's offenses do. Wannstedt is just to experienced and well paid to not be the main man on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Wannstedt will run the defense just like Chan runs the offense. They call Modkins the OC but on game day it is Chan calling the plays. Expect the same with Wannstedt. Wannstedt has played mostly 4-3 but that will not stop him from playing both. I susupect they will draft a versatile DLs and LBs and then play the system that best fits the talent. At least that is what i hope they do. I also suspect they will try to mix it up on defense, just like today's offenses do. Wannstedt is just to experienced and well paid to not be the main man on defense. The Modkins example, IMO, is a dumb one. Gailey runs every aspect of the offense and doesn't even bother with the defense. Modkins is simply his sounding board, little more than a position coach. Gailey came in and immediately said I will call all the plays and run the offense. I bet Wannstedt isn't really making much money. He's not really a desirable commodity these days (although I'm glad we have him). He hasn't been in the league in six years. He got two interviews and no second interviews. There are DC jobs where he wasnt even called in as a candidate. He only signed with the Bills when Dick Jauron of all people was chosen over him for the Cleveland job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 2 things: (1) Wannstedt was obviously brought in to provide what Gailey/Nix/Edwards lack: 4-3 expertise. (2) Players who are scheme-specific will be less likely to be drafted by the Bills: On our Big Board there is a column "P2 Diff". This is "Position 2 Differential", or the number of slots the player slides if selected for the second position listed. Players Where It Makes No Difference: Fairley DE34 DT43 Peterson FS CB Players Who Are Scheme-Specific: Dareus DT43 DE34 Bowers DE43 DE34 Quinn OLB34 DE43 Sherrod LOT ROT Ayers SILB OLB34 2 things: (1) Wannstedt was obviously brought in to provide what Gailey/Nix/Edwards lack: 4-3 expertise. (2) Players who are scheme-specific will be less likely to be drafted by the Bills. On our Big Boardthere is a column "P2 Diff". This is "Position 2 Differential", or the number of slots the player slides if selected for the second position listed. Players Where It Makes No Difference: Fairley DE34 DT43 Peterson FS CB Players Who Are Scheme-Specific: Dareus DT43 DE34 Bowers DE43 DE34 Quinn OLB34 DE43 Sherrod LOT ROT Ayers SILB OLB34 I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I have considered about what actually was Mr. Wannstadts reasoning to come here. The somewhat paranoid, me included think that maybe no one else wanted him. But i honestly think i think he saw a comfort level and a good chance to succeed. Being a fellow getting on in years, if i were to take a job that was a step up( for him, college ball to nfl after so long )i would want to be sure of both of those things. One usually equals the other.and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 We're staying with the 3-4 long term. We're implementing 4-3 sets to utilize the personnel we have now until we have more players best suited for the 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 All this concern about the scheme! I'm concerned about the players.... If Pittsburgh switched to a 4-3 next year, they would still kick a**. The Bills need to get more defensive talent! Pittsburg always focuses on the LBs they are key to that defense. Right now we are lacking possible 2 - 3 LBs and thats assuming Moats and Merriman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 nope. look at larry foote -a guy who dominated in pittsburgh and sucked it up in a 4-3 in detroit. scheme is huge. our HC and GM weren't on the same page day 1 with it (Gailey has only had his pittsburgh stint with a 3-4 if I am not mistaken and Nix, in the nfl at least, has never been around a 4-3). this worries me as it has since hte day we brought in chan. Nope nope. Just cause ONE guy changed teams and didn't play as well doesn't prove anything. It was a change of team, he maybe had one good year and cashed in, many possibilities. Of course the scheme matters, but the Bills have so many holes on their defense , that they don't have to define themselves by picking for a scheme, they can put the scheme together based on who they acquire, meaning PICK THE BEST DEFENDER IN THE DRAFT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 nope. look at larry foote -a guy who dominated in pittsburgh and sucked it up in a 4-3 in detroit. scheme is huge. our HC and GM weren't on the same page day 1 with it (Gailey has only had his pittsburgh stint with a 3-4 if I am not mistaken and Nix, in the nfl at least, has never been around a 4-3). this worries me as it has since hte day we brought in chan. Its worried me since they aren't committed to one or the other, a dubble minded man is unstable in all his ways. McCargo is a better fit for the 4-3, the DW hiring now makes more sense. Really? McCargo is so out of here. Hiring Wanny had nothing to do with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 The Modkins example, IMO, is a dumb one. Gailey runs every aspect of the offense and doesn't even bother with the defense. Modkins is simply his sounding board, little more than a position coach. Gailey came in and immediately said I will call all the plays and run the offense. I bet Wannstedt isn't really making much money. He's not really a desirable commodity these days (although I'm glad we have him). He hasn't been in the league in six years. He got two interviews and no second interviews. There are DC jobs where he wasnt even called in as a candidate. He only signed with the Bills when Dick Jauron of all people was chosen over him for the Cleveland job. Do you really know that Gailey does not bother with the defense? If true, that makes Wannstedt even more valuable. Do you know how much Wannstedt is making? Do you know how many second interviews were granted for other DC positions? Do you know what minute of the day Jauron was offered the Clevland job and if so, do you know when Wannstedt was notified? It looked to me that the news on Wannstedt broke before the news on Jauron but I will not claim to know for sure. Comparing Edwards DC position to that of Modkins OC position seesm reasonable. It is reasonable to assume that Wannstedt will have more resonsiblity than just ILB coach and that he will be leading the defensive game planning and strategy as well as have a role in mentoring Edwards. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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