Say what you want about this new leadership

[BuffaloBill]

Unless you're trapped by a boulder at the bottom of a canyon with no other way of getting out or receiving help. Then it's a great idea to avoid dying.

Exactly Trent Edwards was done so no need to keep him around. If anything his play regressed I applaud nix and galley for moving on. If nothing else it leaves a door open for Brohm.

 

Unless you're trapped by a boulder at the bottom of a canyon with no other way of getting out or receiving help. Then it's a great idea to avoid dying.

Exactly Trent Edwards was done so no need to keep him around. If anything his play regressed I applaud nix and galley for moving on. If nothing else it leaves a door open for Brohm.

[Booster4324]

My bad - in that case, I am sure Ralph was against thsi move. Ralph would rather he sell programs then pay him after he fired him.

 

Maybe a peanut vendor, short throws, but he would fire them off slowly, so maybe not.

[GR8PRKN]

Correct. However he is on the roster as a Vet and will get his entire years pay if he had additional years on his contract they would not pay.... Which to your post would be "the balance" and therfore no more $$$$

 

Don't spend your 500k to quick trent....

 

I stand corrected

[Paup 1995MVP]

What I respect is winning football games. Show me you know how to actually do that Buddy and Chan and I'll have some respect for you. Right now I'm seeing two guys who took a mediocre football team and made it into the worst team in football.

I agree. Buddy Nix has been a complete joke so far. We are not better at any position on this team since he took over. And our defense is downright putrid right now.

[spartacus]

I think that part of releasing Trent now was to send a clear message to the rest of the team to perform or your out. I would think twice about putting in a mediocre performance after this happened.

 

gotta like that statement

 

 

screw up enough and we will pay you to sit at home away from the embarrasment of this inept organization

 

if you do have any talent, you can get picked up and paid by another (a real)  NFL team

 

 

[The Dean]

I stand corrected

 

What a horrible article by Tim G. I don't always agree with him, but he is usually fair. Not this time.

[BillsVet]

What a horrible article by Tim G. I don't always agree with him, but he is usually fair. Not this time.

 

For a guy who's close to things at OBD, Tim probably has a good reason to write in this way. I don't understand what's unfair about his criticism here. The Bills had a hard time attracting or even interviewing candidates for their open GM and HC jobs this past off-season. Nix' and Gailey's predecessors weren't in demand and just maybe there's a reason.

 

I think people know what's happening at OBD and aren't talking, particularly those executives around the NFL. The Bills simply do things that 30 other teams (not including Oakland) do not do.

[Wilson from Gamehendge]

What I respect is winning football games. Show me you know how to actually do that Buddy and Chan and I'll have some respect for you. Right now I'm seeing two guys who took a mediocre football team and made it into the worst team in football.

Because we let Richie Incardona walk away, right?

 

LOL! Idiot!

[Guest dog14787]

What a horrible article by Tim G. I don't always agree with him, but he is usually fair. Not this time.

 

 

Why, for reporting the obvious

Edited September 28, 2010 by dog14787

[The Dean]

The Bills had a hard time attracting or even interviewing candidates for their open GM and HC jobs this past off-season. Nix' and Gailey's predecessors weren't in demand and just maybe there's a reason.

 

This is only relevant if you assume their decisions MUST be bad if they made them. He provides no intelligent reason for why the Bills should have kept Edwards on the team.

 

The Bills simply do things that 30 other teams (not including Oakland) do not do.

 

Well, the Bills didn't take Edwards with the #1 overall pick. So they aren't that stupid. Oakland should have let Russel go way before they did. They were STUPID for keeping him until the offseason, IMO.

[BillsVet]

This is only relevant if you assume their decisions MUST be bad if they made them. He provides no intelligent reason for why the Bills should have kept Edwards on the team.

 

Well, the Bills didn't take Edwards with the #1 overall pick. So they aren't that stupid. Oakland should have let Russel go way before they did. They were STUPID for keeping him until the offseason, IMO.

 

I made this point in another thread: how did Gailey get so easily fooled by Trent's success when the practices/games didn't matter? For being a veteran offensive coach, I expect him to know talent and not get sucked in.

 

Few people give the Bills the benefit of the doubt anymore. They've run the table on being mediocre, do not attract talented people for HC and GM no matter what anyone says, and now they're bottoming out.

 

But the rationale that because Edwards wasn't a #1 overall doesn't remove the fact that they misfired on picking the best QB on the roster to start. They've changed their starting RB, adjusted the WR depth chart, and are 0-3. Who's making decisions on this team?

[spartacus]

What a horrible article by Tim G.  I don't always agree with him, but he is usually fair.  Not this time.

ah- the blind homer speaks

 

 

not well - but whatever

 

probably should be reprimanded for doubting the capabilities of TG

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

This is only relevant if you assume their decisions MUST be bad if they made them. He provides no intelligent reason for why the Bills should have kept Edwards on the team.

 

 

 

You say Tim's article was terrible, yet your statement makes it clear that you somehow missed his point. Completely.

Edited September 28, 2010 by Mr. WEO

[The Dean]

I made this point in another thread: how did Gailey get so easily fooled by Trent's success when the practices/games didn't matter? For being a veteran offensive coach, I expect him to know talent and not get sucked in.

 

Few people give the Bills the benefit of the doubt anymore. They've run the table on being mediocre, do not attract talented people for HC and GM no matter what anyone says, and now they're bottoming out.

 

But the rationale that because Edwards wasn't a #1 overall doesn't remove the fact that they misfired on picking the best QB on the roster to start. They've changed their starting RB, adjusted the WR depth chart, and are 0-3. Who's making decisions on this team?

 

 

Trent has fooled more than on HC, let's keep that in mind. But I think Chan actually did a fairly responsible job of evaluating the QBs this offseason, even though I wasn't thrilled with his choice of starter. It was clear the offense has been a clusterf#%k for a few years now. Had he only used the past performances to make his evaluation, he'd have done the team a great disservice. In addition, he'd have scrap most of the offensive players as almost nobody looked good in the mess that had been run under Jauron.

 

I think many observers feel Trent hasn't been able to show his talent in Buffalo, due to a very poor offensive line, terrible offensive scheme and really offensive play calling. (See what I did there?) So he gave him the opportunity to show otherwise in camp and the preseason. You know what? Trent looked pretty fair, didn't he? Yes, it was preseason but he looked more polished and experienced than the other two QB candidates. I guarantee you, had Chan let Trent go before the start of the season, many of the same people criticizing him now would have been trashing him then.

 

So Chan let Trent have his chance to shine. Clearly he didn't. He SUCKED as bad as a Bills QB has sucked in quite a long time. He was a pitiful disgrace to the uniform. Rumor has it, the players went to the coach and asked for him to be removed as starter. I notice Tim didn't bother to discuss that aspect of the move. Anyway, despite making him the starter, Chan had the balls to sit him and start Fitz instead. There were some who criticized him for not continuing to start Trent. Do you understand how freaking stupid that is?

 

So, with Trent hiding on the sidelines, Fitz stepped in and performed fairly well. What happened to the impossibly bad offensive line? Clearly the problem wasn't simply the line. TRENT added to the problem of the poor line by looking like a deer in the headlights. Once the game was over, and it was clear Trent was the biggest issue here, why would you want to continue to keep him on the roster? He's toast in Buffalo. The players don't seem to trust him, so why have him around? Chan is here to turn things around. This is how you do it!

 

Now, I understand why someone would question why Chan couldn't make this decision before the season. Ideally he would have. But the insinuation that, after failing to make the ideal decision, it is somehow bad or wrong to correct that decision ASAP is preposterous. And with just a tad of thought and just a moment of giving someone the benefit of the doubt, one might have figured out that Chan gave Trent this last shot as a way to do the right thing by him. Then Trent betrayed the team by playing scared. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[Kultarr]

What a horrible article by Tim G. I don't always agree with him, but he is usually fair. Not this time.

The Bills cut both Dockery and Walker last year to save money. They've cut other players before that. Cutting players to save salary isn't a new thing.

 

As far as TG not providing an argument for keeping Edwards. You must be joking. That's what saying Edwards was a class act and a professional through and through was all about. The guy was a team captain and the starting QB just 7 days ago. He has experience. What if Fitzpatrick gets hurt? Frankly, he's a better option than Brohm, I suspect, if there is an injury. Mike McCarthy, who is one of the best QB evaluators in the game, decided Brohm wasn't worth a roster spot on his team last year.

 

It's not like the Bills are going to go to the Super Bowl with this move. This isn't a move to make the team demonstrably better. This reeks of a bush league move by the guys that watch the Bills cash flow like hawks. Teams don't build their rosters in late September. You dance with who brought you. Starting Fitzpatrick led to just another loss this week. This doesn't build any confidence in the guys running the team -- it strongly undermines it. Do they have any idea what they are doing? Not to mention that this team already has real problems in attracting 1st class help on any level of the organization. Why would anyone want to play for a team run like this?

 

Maybe it's time to pull the homer head out.

Edited September 28, 2010 by Kultarr

[The Dean]

The Bills cut both Dockery and Walker last year to save money. They've cut other players before that. Cutting players to save salary isn't a new thing.

 

As far as TG not providing an argument for keeping Edwards. You must be joking. That's what saying Edwards was a class act and a professional through and through was all about. The guy was a team captain and the starting QB just 7 days ago. He has experience. What if Fitzpatrick gets hurt? Frankly, he's a better option than Brohm, I suspect, if there is an injury. Mike McCarthy, who is one of the best QB evaluators in the game, decided Brohm wasn't worth a roster spot on his team last year.

 

It's not like the Bills are going to go to the Super Bowl with this move. This isn't a move to make the team demonstrably better. This reeks of a bush league move by the guys that watch the Bills cash flow like hawks. Teams don't build their rosters in late September. You dance with who brought you. Starting Fitzpatrick led to just another loss this week. This doesn't build any confidence in the guys running the team -- it strongly undermines it. Do they have any idea what they are doing? Not to mention that this team already has real problems in attracting 1st class help on any level of the organization. Why would anyone want to play for a team run like this?

 

Maybe it's time to pull the homer head out.

 

 

BS. Trent is DONE as a Bill. They could continue to pay him, but he was done taking snaps at QB. Better than Brohm? This year Trent wasn't better than any QB. He quit on the team and the team knew it. I think Chan let him stay for a week to see if the line and team really were the issue. Guess what? It was Trent.

 

Why keep a guy you will NEVER use. I think they'd be better off bringing in Levi Brown if they needed a QB in an emergency. He might not do any better than Trent, but at least he would show some effort...something Trent refused to do.

[Buftex]

Yes, spending the entire offseason evaluating QB talent and then just arriving at the obvious conclusion that Trent is no good after two weeks and cutting him from the team is a hallmark of a good front office.

 

 

At last, something I agree with you on...

[dave mcbride]

The Bills cut both Dockery and Walker last year to save money. They've cut other players before that. Cutting players to save salary isn't a new thing.

 

As far as TG not providing an argument for keeping Edwards. You must be joking. That's what saying Edwards was a class act and a professional through and through was all about. The guy was a team captain and the starting QB just 7 days ago. He has experience. What if Fitzpatrick gets hurt? Frankly, he's a better option than Brohm, I suspect, if there is an injury. Mike McCarthy, who is one of the best QB evaluators in the game, decided Brohm wasn't worth a roster spot on his team last year.

 

It's not like the Bills are going to go to the Super Bowl with this move. This isn't a move to make the team demonstrably better. This reeks of a bush league move by the guys that watch the Bills cash flow like hawks. Teams don't build their rosters in late September. You dance with who brought you. Starting Fitzpatrick led to just another loss this week. This doesn't build any confidence in the guys running the team -- it strongly undermines it. Do they have any idea what they are doing? Not to mention that this team already has real problems in attracting 1st class help on any level of the organization. Why would anyone want to play for a team run like this?

 

Maybe it's time to pull the homer head out.

Excellent post.

[The Dean]

How about this, very straightforward, take:

 

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/article202680.ece

 

 

Excepts:

 

It was an endorsement of Ryan Fitzpatrick, coming one day after his encouraging 38-30 performance in the loss at New England.

 

It was an indictment of Edwards, who saw his once-promising NFL career go on life support.

 

It was a boost for Brian Brohm, who moves up from No. 3 to No. 2 quarterback for the first time in his three-year NFL career.

 

It showed that Bills General Manager Buddy Nix and coach Chan Gailey are not ones to dither over personnel decisions. When they decide, they act.

 

"In my experience of being around that, it's never easy for a guy to be in and out, in and out, in and out," Gailey said. "That's never been an easy situation. So I'm probably answering your question in that yes, it could have happened [that Edwards' leadership had been undercut]. Whether it did or not I don't know.

 

"We just felt like instead of relegating him to scout-team quarterback and third team -- because we want to work with Brian Brohm -- it was smarter to let him move on and try to get another job."

 

Why did Gailey choose Edwards entering training camp? There's no doubt the Bills thought there was more upside to Edwards, given the promising start to his Buffalo career and his physical tools.

 

 

Strip away all the BS and this is the simple, straightforward explanation. Not really that difficult to comprehend, if you have any intention of trying.

[Sisyphean Bills]

How about this, very straightforward, take:

 

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/article202680.ece

 

Excepts:

 

Strip away all the BS and this is the simple, straightforward explanation. Not really that difficult to comprehend, if you have any intention of trying.

Well, you got your work cut out for you again in defending the Bills front office, Brian.

 

The Bills are just ahead of the curve on this one. I'm sure all teams will start cutting players outright in mid-season when they lose their starting jobs. Since talent is so easy to come by and development of cohesive teams is effortless, it only makes perfect sense.