Skoobydum Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I can see how 10 years of failure can bring us to believe it will never get better but for some odd reason I feel different about these guys. I can go into Nix's experience or Gailey being tough but it's more about following a plan & dedicating yourself to that plan. These guys are going to work this team & see where the current people fit in their plan, no reason to trade for any other players until that's over. We might actually sit a better player than we could bring in, so why bother?? Give the boys time, they'll get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I can see how 10 years of failure can bring us to believe it will never get better but for some odd reason I feel different about these guys. I can go into Nix's experience or Gailey being tough but it's more about following a plan & dedicating yourself to that plan. These guys are going to work this team & see where the current people fit in their plan, no reason to trade for any other players until that's over. We might actually sit a better player than we could bring in, so why bother?? Give the boys time, they'll get it right. For many posters on this board, nothing would have satisfied other than having Cowher be the coach of the Bills. Even if that had happened, folks would be bitching about why we still don't have a LT or QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Nix- career scout now GM. The guy seems a little crude and unpolished on camera but if he results in better drafts, who cares? Can't blame him for the Gailey hire. No one else really wanted to coach in Buffalo outside Frazier from Minn. Gailey- good offensive coordinator who should improve the offense. Does not appear to have great communication and leadership abilities. Gets credit for taking job no one else wanted. Suspect he can get the bills to 8-8 in a couple of years. I don't expect much else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpl6876 Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I am willing to give the regime time to turn things around. I am skeptical that they will be successful. Nevertheless, they deserve a chance. Here is the thing I don't understand. I believe too many of you are giving the new regime too much credit and a free pass. I ask the following: (1) How successful has Gailey been as a head coach? Mild success at best. I am not willing to "anoint" him as a savior or offensive magician. To boot, inexperienced offensive coordinator which I don't like... (2) Nix has never been a GM and has had success in San Diego. It is a big step up... (3) Ralph is still the owner. (4)This regime IMO has made some "very questionable decisions" like not addressing the QB and LT position. I am not one to just sit back and say that is OK. Just look at what the Skins did. I think that is a reasonable comparison. (whether the skins are successful is debatable). My point is they did address arguably the two most important positions in football. We are left with "let's wait til next year" and a miracle hope that someone emerges as a success. Yicks.... I believe that the regime has made good decisions like converting to the 3-4, addressing bulk on the defensive side of the ball, tougher conditioning and practices, etc.... Time will tell if this regime is successful or not. For now I cannot pretend like things are all well in Bills land... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPhan Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I can see how 10 years of failure can bring us to believe it will never get better but for some odd reason I feel different about these guys. I can go into Nix's experience or Gailey being tough but it's more about following a plan & dedicating yourself to that plan. These guys are going to work this team & see where the current people fit in their plan, no reason to trade for any other players until that's over. We might actually sit a better player than we could bring in, so why bother?? Give the boys time, they'll get it right. I agree that (Nix-Gailey) seems better then (Donahoe-Williams), (Donahoe-Mularkey), (Levy-Jauron), (Brandon-Jauron) and (Brandon-Fewell). But to say, "Give the boys time, they'll get it right" is way too presumptuous and kind. "The boys" as you call them, have done exactly nothing together for the Bills yet. Their record is 0-0. While I know most of us tend to predict negative results this season, and that may be unfair based on the success of these two men in other organizations, I also don't see any proof that they will "get it right" after enough time either. And oh by the way, my definition of any Bills' GM-Coach combo getting it right, is to lead the Buffalo Bills to a Super Bowl Championship. Not even (Polian-Levy) were able to accomplish that, with 4 straight chances. That's why we tend to be so negative about (Nix-Gailey), as opposed to Wilson hiring perhaps (Cowher-Cowher), where we would all be predicting much more positive results! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Suspect he can get the bills to 8-8 in a couple of years. I don't expect much else. 8-8 in a couple of years? Please, just shoot me. I expect to win at least 8 this year. I think Coach Gailey feels the same way. When he was doing his due diligence to get this job I'm sure he looked at the Bills history. With the exception of Dick, a coach here gets 2 years. Put up, or take it on down the road. I think Coach Gailey will be going for the wins this year and not turn it into an extended pre season year 11 of our 3 year rebuilding program like many on here want (or say they want now until the Ls start to stack up). With the talent we have on offense and a good offensive coach, and if our D is at least as good as last year in the giving up points department, we should be at least 8-8 this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 My responses: I am willing to give the regime time to turn things around. I am skeptical that they will be successful. Nevertheless, they deserve a chance. Here is the thing I don't understand. I believe too many of you are giving the new regime too much credit and a free pass. I ask the following: (1) How successful has Gailey been as a head coach? Mild success at best. I am not willing to "anoint" him as a savior or offensive magician. To boot, inexperienced offensive coordinator which I don't like... Took a Cowboys team to the playoffs both years he coached there (they were 6-10 the year before he took over). Jerry Jones is quoted as saying he prematurely pulled the plug on Gailey, and once that happened he never got another opportunity in the NFL until coming to terms with Buffalo. Modkins is OC in name only, most fans know Gailey is really the OC. (2) Nix has never been a GM and has had success in San Diego. It is a big step up... It is a big step up for Buddy, but Nix has a lot of experience and is widely credited by analysts with being a top flight talent evaluator. There are no indications so far that the job is too big for him. He is not allowing the inmates to run the asylum, as shown by his tough stance with Lynch. (3) Ralph is still the owner. This is the same owner that went to 4 Super Bowls - was he bad then? Has made questionable decisions prior to and since the 90's, but was recently committed to providing resources needed to land a top flight coach. Has bankrolled important but under-the-radar improvements like the complete overhaul of training facilities and remaking the front office including bringing in Doug Whaley from Pittsburgh. (4)This regime IMO has made some "very questionable decisions" like not addressing the QB and LT position. I am not one to just sit back and say that is OK. Just look at what the Skins did. I think that is a reasonable comparison. (whether the skins are successful is debatable). My point is they did address arguably the two most important positions in football. We are left with "let's wait til next year" and a miracle hope that someone emerges as a success. Yicks.... History does not give many examples of a team successfully remaking an entire roster in a single year, especially with the looming labor uncertainty. Sure the Redskins have been aggressive with their moves, but to what end? They make plenty of headlines, but minimal actual progress. Would you feel better making more news? I believe that the regime has made good decisions like converting to the 3-4, addressing bulk on the defensive side of the ball, tougher conditioning and practices, etc.... Time will tell if this regime is successful or not. For now I cannot pretend like things are all well in Bills land... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConradDobler Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 My responses: Houston, if nothing else you are honest. Let's hope we all are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Houston, if nothing else you are honest. Let's hope we all are wrong. Not sure you realize that my responses were in bold. I do like to think my responses are honest, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 i like a lot: - a long tenured hard core talent evaluator at GM in Nix - a HC with an excellent resume as a OC and success (2 of 2 playoff seasons) during his short stint as a pro HC - a distributed management structure that includes Russ Brandenjew as the slick marketeer with Tom and Doug McKenzie as pro personnel execs i dislike a lot - a hc that struggled to win big games at the college level - a hc that doesnt appear to pay much attention to defense - a nobody at DC who has never been a full fledged pro DC before installing a whole new defense - a super nobody at OC, which isnt so bad since the hc is really the oc but how much attention can the hc give to oc and not lose focus on other areas that need his attention? - old school gm who may not be able to adapt to the realities of the modern primadonna athelete serious prollems entering '10 - all new coaches, cant possibly know the real team makeup and capabilities until real games are played for a bit - 4 of the 7 front seven on defense are playing brand new positions, usually for the first time ever as a pro - extremely questionable OLB candidates - huge hole at wr2 and not even close to an obvious heir apparent - no OL depth (im actually not concerned with the starters) when the inevitable injuries hit - no clear starting QB and long odds that any are of the franchise variety - general lack of quality roster talent due to poor drafting in recent years resulting in realistic best guess projection for the '10 season - four wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I can see how 10 years of failure can bring us to believe it will never get better but for some odd reason I feel different about these guys. I can go into Nix's experience or Gailey being tough but it's more about following a plan & dedicating yourself to that plan. These guys are going to work this team & see where the current people fit in their plan, no reason to trade for any other players until that's over. We might actually sit a better player than we could bring in, so why bother?? Give the boys time, they'll get it right. You don't seem to understand the phrase you used. "Give the boys time, they'll get it right," is giving a lot more than the benefit of the doubt. It's giving absolute faith. Which is way more than I am willing to give. I give them what I give everyone, a certain amount of time to prove themselves, and for that amount of time, I will indeed give them the benefit of the doubt. Not the complete belief you seem to be giving them. You say you feel different about these guys. Yeah, OK. But I'd bet a lot of money that if you were posting, or even just talking about the Bills when Jauron got here, and Mularkey before that, and Williams and Donahoe before that, you were saying the same thing for each of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 8-8 in a couple of years? Please, just shoot me. I expect to win at least 8 this year. I think Coach Gailey feels the same way. When he was doing his due diligence to get this job I'm sure he looked at the Bills history. With the exception of Dick, a coach here gets 2 years. Put up, or take it on down the road. I think Coach Gailey will be going for the wins this year and not turn it into an extended pre season year 11 of our 3 year rebuilding program like many on here want (or say they want now until the Ls start to stack up). With the talent we have on offense and a good offensive coach, and if our D is at least as good as last year in the giving up points department, we should be at least 8-8 this year. A coach gets two years here? That could not be more wrong. Ralph had already offered Mularkey another year after his second, but he quit. Gregg Williams got three years. Wade Phillips got three years and was offered a fourth if he fired Ronnie Jones, and before that was Marv. The last coach who got two years or less was Hank Bullough who was fired in 1986. As for expecting to win 8 this year, well, good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I can see how 10 years of failure can bring us to believe it will never get better but for some odd reason I feel different about these guys. I can go into Nix's experience or Gailey being tough but it's more about following a plan & dedicating yourself to that plan. These guys are going to work this team & see where the current people fit in their plan, no reason to trade for any other players until that's over. We might actually sit a better player than we could bring in, so why bother?? Give the boys time, they'll get it right. This stuff is easy to say since we don't have a choice, right. Then anyone that disagrees can be shunned and slammed or whatever. But the reality is that this team should be renamed the Buffalo Benefits of the Doubt. These clowns have no more chance of succeeding than their predecessors, maybe less. I mean let's be real, Modkins? Edwards? If we actually had a choice, would we really choose Gailey, Modkins, and Edwards? Anyone saying yes is lying through their teeth. Either way, we're stuck. The only choices are how much of your money you're going to spend watching the team's next experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 My responses: I am willing to give the regime time to turn things around. I am skeptical that they will be successful. Nevertheless, they deserve a chance. Here is the thing I don't understand. I believe too many of you are giving the new regime too much credit and a free pass. I ask the following: He said: (1) How successful has Gailey been as a head coach? Mild success at best. I am not willing to "anoint" him as a savior or offensive magician. To boot, inexperienced offensive coordinator which I don't like... Took a Cowboys team to the playoffs both years he coached there (they were 6-10 the year before he took over). Jerry Jones is quoted as saying he prematurely pulled the plug on Gailey, and once that happened he never got another opportunity in the NFL until coming to terms with Buffalo. Modkins is OC in name only, most fans know Gailey is really the OC. He said: (2) Nix has never been a GM and has had success in San Diego. It is a big step up... It is a big step up for Buddy, but Nix has a lot of experience and is widely credited by analysts with being a top flight talent evaluator. There are no indications so far that the job is too big for him. He is not allowing the inmates to run the asylum, as shown by his tough stance with Lynch. He said: (3) Ralph is still the owner. This is the same owner that went to 4 Super Bowls - was he bad then? Has made questionable decisions prior to and since the 90's, but was recently committed to providing resources needed to land a top flight coach. Has bankrolled important but under-the-radar improvements like the complete overhaul of training facilities and remaking the front office including bringing in Doug Whaley from Pittsburgh. He said: (4)This regime IMO has made some "very questionable decisions" like not addressing the QB and LT position. I am not one to just sit back and say that is OK. Just look at what the Skins did. I think that is a reasonable comparison. (whether the skins are successful is debatable). My point is they did address arguably the two most important positions in football. We are left with "let's wait til next year" and a miracle hope that someone emerges as a success. Yicks.... History does not give many examples of a team successfully remaking an entire roster in a single year, especially with the looming labor uncertainty. Sure the Redskins have been aggressive with their moves, but to what end? They make plenty of headlines, but minimal actual progress. Would you feel better making more news? You said "Took a Cowboys team to the playoffs both years he coached there (they were 6-10 the year before he took over). Jerry Jones is quoted as saying he prematurely pulled the plug on Gailey ..." Who cares what Jerry Jones said. Jerry Jones also fired him. Jones' opinion of his actions is beside the point. The important thing is his record, and you pointed it out, without noting that the first year he was 10 - 6 and the second year they were 8 - 8, giving the Cowboys a combined record of 18 - 14 with Gailey as coach. And in both years they lost their first play off game. Which is a mild success, as he said. He said: "(4)This regime IMO has made some "very questionable decisions" like not addressing the QB and LT position. I am not one to just sit back and say that is OK. Just look at what the Skins did. I think that is a reasonable comparison. (whether the skins are successful is debatable). My point is they did address arguably the two most important positions in football. We are left with "let's wait til next year" and a miracle hope that someone emerges as a success. Yicks...." You said: "History does not give many examples of a team successfully remaking an entire roster in a single year, especially with the looming labor uncertainty. Sure the Redskins have been aggressive with their moves, but to what end? They make plenty of headlines, but minimal actual progress. Would you feel better making more news?" You side-stepped his point. He never said they should have remade the entire roster in a single year. He just said that they have made some "very questionable decisions," and that two of them were not addressing the QB and LT position. He was dead on, and you seem to have acknowledged that by setting up a straw man argument and beating it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 A coach gets two years here? That could not be more wrong. Ralph had already offered Mularkey another year after his second, but he quit. Gregg Williams got three years. Wade Phillips got three years and was offered a fourth if he fired Ronnie Jones, and before that was Marv. The last coach who got two years or less was Hank Bullough who was fired in 1986. As for expecting to win 8 this year, well, good luck with that. I agree. Williams and DJ should never have been brought back for their 3rd seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 8-8 in a couple of years? Please, just shoot me. I expect to win at least 8 this year. I think Coach Gailey feels the same way. When he was doing his due diligence to get this job I'm sure he looked at the Bills history. With the exception of Dick, a coach here gets 2 years. Put up, or take it on down the road. I think Coach Gailey will be going for the wins this year and not turn it into an extended pre season year 11 of our 3 year rebuilding program like many on here want (or say they want now until the Ls start to stack up). With the talent we have on offense and a good offensive coach, and if our D is at least as good as last year in the giving up points department, we should be at least 8-8 this year. If Gailey gets this squad to 8 wins he should be friggin' coach of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 You said "Took a Cowboys team to the playoffs both years he coached there (they were 6-10 the year before he took over). Jerry Jones is quoted as saying he prematurely pulled the plug on Gailey ..." Who cares what Jerry Jones said. Jerry Jones also fired him. Jones' opinion of his actions is beside the point. The important thing is his record, and you pointed it out, without noting that the first year he was 10 - 6 and the second year they were 8 - 8, giving the Cowboys a combined record of 18 - 14 with Gailey as coach. And in both years they lost their first play off game. Which is a mild success, as he said. He said: "(4)This regime IMO has made some "very questionable decisions" like not addressing the QB and LT position. I am not one to just sit back and say that is OK. Just look at what the Skins did. I think that is a reasonable comparison. (whether the skins are successful is debatable). My point is they did address arguably the two most important positions in football. We are left with "let's wait til next year" and a miracle hope that someone emerges as a success. Yicks...." You said: "History does not give many examples of a team successfully remaking an entire roster in a single year, especially with the looming labor uncertainty. Sure the Redskins have been aggressive with their moves, but to what end? They make plenty of headlines, but minimal actual progress. Would you feel better making more news?" You side-stepped his point. He never said they should have remade the entire roster in a single year. He just said that they have made some "very questionable decisions," and that two of them were not addressing the QB and LT position. He was dead on, and you seem to have acknowledged that by setting up a straw man argument and beating it up. You said earlier you are willing to give Nix and Gailey "the benefit of the doubt." I don't see much of that in any of your posts. Your posts are nothing BUT doubt. Not that ther's anything wrong with that--you can be as doubtful as you like. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I think the team and coaching will be better, but our record will be worse. Meaning... most fans will be calling for their heads by the end of the season, etc. Our schedule is a tough one this year, it's not gonna be a fun time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I think the team and coaching will be better, but our record will be worse. Meaning... most fans will be calling for their heads by the end of the season, etc. Our schedule is a tough one this year, it's not gonna be a fun time. I agree. The schedule, combined with running a new offense and defense, along with missing talent in some key positions (despite the team being better overall) will prove to be too much to overcome and win more than 6 games. I'm not sure anyone here knows how much I want to be wrong about that. Edit: However, I do think the future is rather bright. We don't know all that much about Nix/Gailey yet, but no-nonsense seems to be the approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I agree that (Nix-Gailey) seems better then (Donahoe-Williams), (Donahoe-Mularkey), (Levy-Jauron), (Brandon-Jauron) and (Brandon-Fewell). But to say, "Give the boys time, they'll get it right" is way too presumptuous and kind. "The boys" as you call them, have done exactly nothing together for the Bills yet. Their record is 0-0. While I know most of us tend to predict negative results this season, and that may be unfair based on the success of these two men in other organizations, I also don't see any proof that they will "get it right" after enough time either. And oh by the way, my definition of any Bills' GM-Coach combo getting it right, is to lead the Buffalo Bills to a Super Bowl Championship. Not even (Polian-Levy) were able to accomplish that, with 4 straight chances. That's why we tend to be so negative about (Nix-Gailey), as opposed to Wilson hiring perhaps (Cowher-Cowher), where we would all be predicting much more positive results! I don't get why everyone is gaga over Cowher. Cowher was a good coach, but he was also with the Steelers for at least 15 years and won only 1 superbowl. Look at Marty Schottenheimer, he if had 15 years on one team, I'm sure he would have won a superbowl as well. I think Cowher would have been a better coach for the Bills, but I would label him as the savior like most Bills fans would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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