Round 2, Pick #41: DT Torell Troup - Central Florida

[Kelly the Dog]

The two most important things this team needed going into the draft was a LT starter and a NT that can stuff the run on first and second down, followed by QB. We have a couple guys to play LT if we had to, even though they are not quality starters in the NFL. Same at QB.

 

We have NO ONE to play NT in a 3-4 on first and second down with the sole purpose of tying up blockers and clogging the middle. No one.

 

The couple no name street free agents don't count. Kyle Williams is a nice NT to play on passing downs. This kind of guy is exactly what we need at 1a or 1b of the biggest needs we have.

[Fan in San Diego]

What kind of major is ' Interpersonal Organizational Communication ' ? Sounds like a class you might take your Junior year but a major?

[Booster4324]

You were whining about saving money with a 2nd round pick! So don't try to deflect with this stuff to cover for your idiotic statement.

 

I am not sure since his post is totally incoherent, but it seems he is claiming we will have a bottom 5 salary this year?? Or is that previous years??

 

I doubt even this year we will have a bottom five and we generally average around the middle of the pack on salaries. In any case, he is an idiot.

[The Dean]

What kind of major is ' Interpersonal Organizational Communication ' ? Sounds like a class you might take your Junior year but a major?

 

 

Communication is a Social Science and is the study of how individuals, groups, organization and media help create and share meaning symbolically (among other things). Some of the specializations in Communication include Interpersonal, Organizational, Group and Mass Media. I suspect "Interpersonal Organizational Communication" means his concentration is in Interpersonal and Organizational. It is a relatively modern field and many don't know much about it.

 

With the right teachers and curriculum it is really a terrific major. A Masters degree in Organizational Communication, for example, can provide a more diverse and complete education than an MBA in many cases.

 

Of course, Communication (and the similarly titled "Communications") can also include dumbed down versions of other SS courses. You will see "Communications" listed as the major for many athletes.

 

Full Disclosure: I have a Masters Degree in Communication (I'm actually ABD) with concentrations in Mass Media, Interpersonal and Organizational. I also taught various Mass Media and Interpersonal Communication courses at UB and Canisius. At Canisius I was filling in for the Dept Chairperson who was on sabbatical. One of her courses was known as a "gut class" and many football and basketball players signed up, thinking an A or B was assured. Despite my warnings, many stayed in my class but didn't attend and/or try. Needless to say after one semester several Griffins were on academic suspension.

[DrDawkinstein]

personally I don't care for the pick...But, does anybody remember how Byrd got trashed by this board last year including myself...

 

 

this is all i thought of while reading through the first few pages of this thread. reminds me a lot of the Byrd reaction.

 

im a huge Cody fan, have been all year. but i dont mind the Troup pick. we addressed a major pressing need in the trenches, there is lots of draft left to fill other holes. Go Bills!

[Endless Ike]

Communication is a Social Science and is the study of how individuals, groups, organization and media help create and share meaning symbolically (among other things). Some of the specializations in Communication include Interpersonal, Organizational, Group and Mass Media. I suspect "Interpersonal Organizational Communication" means his concentration is in Interpersonal and Organizational. It is a relatively modern field and many don't know much about it.

 

With the right teachers and curriculum it is really a terrific major. A Masters degree in Organizational Communication, for example, can provide a more diverse and complete education than an MBA in many cases.

 

Of course, Communication (and the similarly titled "Communications") can also include dumbed down versions of other SS courses. You will see "Communications" listed as the major for many athletes.

 

Full Disclosure: I have a Masters Degree in Communication (I'm actually ABD) with concentrations in Mass Media, Interpersonal and Organizational. I also taught various Mass Media and Interpersonal Communication courses at UB and Canisius. At Canisius I was filling in for the Dept Chairperson who was on sabbatical. One of her courses was known as a "gut class" and many football and basketball players signed up, thinking an A or B was assured. Despite my warnings, many stayed in my class but didn't attend and/or try. Needless to say after one semester several Griffins were on academic suspension.

 

many schools are getting rid of communication degrees because they realize they're a joke

[TheBillsOrDie]

Mel Kiper is a loud mouthed obnoxious, egomaniac idiot...... so defensive about his #2 best player... OK KC just picked JC still available.....

I agree he is dick

[The Dean]

many schools are getting rid of communication degrees because they realize they're a joke

 

 

Actually, some schools have renamed the Communication because of the joke "Communications" became in some schools. For example, I think UB may now call Communication "Informatics", but I'm not positive.

[Rockinon]

Communication is a Social Science and is the study of how individuals, groups, organization and media help create and share meaning symbolically (among other things). Some of the specializations in Communication include Interpersonal, Organizational, Group and Mass Media. I suspect "Interpersonal Organizational Communication" means his concentration is in Interpersonal and Organizational. It is a relatively modern field and many don't know much about it.

 

With the right teachers and curriculum it is really a terrific major. A Masters degree in Organizational Communication, for example, can provide a more diverse and complete education than an MBA in many cases.

 

Of course, Communication (and the similarly titled "Communications") can also include dumbed down versions of other SS courses. You will see "Communications" listed as the major for many athletes.

 

Full Disclosure: I have a Masters Degree in Communication (I'm actually ABD) with concentrations in Mass Media, Interpersonal and Organizational. I also taught various Mass Media and Interpersonal Communication courses at UB and Canisius. At Canisius I was filling in for the Dept Chairperson who was on sabbatical. One of her courses was known as a "gut class" and many football and basketball players signed up, thinking an A or B was assured. Despite my warnings, many stayed in my class but didn't attend and/or try. Needless to say after one semester several Griffins were on academic suspension.

Wow. Give it up for The Dean. And all this time, I thought you were just pretending to be intelligent. I guess I am going to have to reevaluate my opinion about you.

[Rockinon]

Actually, some schools have renamed the Communication because of the joke "Communications" became in some schools. For example, I think UB may now call Communication "Informatics", but I'm not positive.

I served 4 years in the US Air Force and my job title was "Telecommunication Systems Equipment Maintenance Specialist". In other words I was just a repair man for a bunch of communications equipment. Now a days, there are one hell of a lot of communication methods being used in real world situations and it's good to see colleges are recognizing this and preparing young people for a changing world.

[Rockinon]

Anyway, I really like this pick. Sorry, about changing the subject above. This guy sounds like one hell of a workhorse. He actually weighed 20lbs more coming into college, bench presses better than Suh and completed his college course work. This tells me that the kid is not afraid of work. I think many people overlooked him and the Bills got much better value with this pick than many here realize.

[maverick544]

Troup = Ted Washington 2.0

[maverick544]

Still too early, Clausen was right there. Troup was pre ranked in the low 100's.

[RkFast]

I feel like these picks are just the FO thumbing their nose at everyone acting like they know more than everyone else.

 

I hate to break it to you.....they do.

 

Unless youre another GM in waiting.

[EC-Bills]

I am not sure since his post is totally incoherent, but it seems he is claiming we will have a bottom 5 salary this year?? Or is that previous years??

 

I doubt even this year we will have a bottom five and we generally average around the middle of the pack on salaries. In any case, he is an idiot.

 

I understand what he was trying to say, but you don't make the claim they picked a certain guy in the 2nd round just to save money. If the Bills were truely going the cheap route, they would have traded out of the 9th spot.

[bobobonators]

i'll admit that the Troup pick surprised me, but the more I read up on him, the more impressed I am and feel that he's one of the few DT's that are perfect for the NT position in the NFL.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players...w;pageContainer

 

Although Torell changed his last name from Johnson to Troup for his last two seasons at UCF to honor the reemergence of his father into his family's life, it wasn't hard for scouts or opposing offenses to find his big body in the middle of the field.

 

He earned second-team All-Conference USA accolades each of the past two seasons, first making 52 tackles, 12.5 for loss and two sacks as a junior on the Conference USA championship team. Those numbers were down a bit last fall (35-5-2) due to receiving more double-teams, but coaches recognized his ability to lead a rushing defense ranked in the top five nationally and take pressure off pass-rushing DEs Bruce Miller (13 sacks) and Jarvis Geathers (11).

 

It's hard for teams to find nose tackles with Troup's size, strength and motor in the middle rounds of the draft, so don't be surprised if he is selected earlier than many project.

 

Analysis

Pass rush: Bull rusher who often pushes his man (or a double-team when fresh) to collapse the pocket using leverage. Able to rip off blocks, punch and swim over the top, or even get under the arm of guards to pressure the quarterback if he hangs onto the ball too long. Limited burst; will provide some heat but not many sacks. Sits on many obvious passing situations.

 

Run defense: Stands his ground against single and double blocks using his girth and strength, although he lacks the quickness to split the double. Can be violent with hands to free himself. Able to sift through trash inside to get to ballcarrier. Moves laterally while engaged to stay in the play. Needs improvement avoiding and recovering from cut blocks.

 

Explosion: Quick and powerful off the snap, penetrating easily against man-up blocks. Good balance after initial contact, keeping pads low and moving forward. Loses steam coming off the ball throughout the game.

 

Strength: Very strong player; prime nose tackle candidate. Uses a low center of gravity and thick upper body to gain leverage. Able to stack his man and disengage to chase the quarterback or wrap up ballcarriers.

 

Tackling: Has length and upper-body strength to bring down most any player in his immediate area. Willing to chase down players but lacks burst to track them down from behind without help or consistently make tackles outside the box. Doesn't change directions easily, and can be eluded in space. Must keep his feet moving instead of relying on his strength to make arm tackles.

 

Intangibles: Hard-working, unselfish leader with a quiet sensibility. Consistently gives good effort inside whether rushing the passer or stopping the run. No major character issues. Worked off 30 pound of weight during his career to gain stamina, although he still carries extra around his midsection.

 

Career Notes

A two-time All-Conference USA pick as a double-team devouring nose tackle, allowing UCF to post some spectacular team defensive numbers … Started 39 of his 47 career games played and 105 tackles, 24 of which were for a loss … Team captain as a senior helping the Knights to a St. Petersburg Bowl bid … Was also a starter on UCF's 2007 Conference USA Championship team which played in the AutoZone Liberty Bowl … Selected to play in the East-West Shrine game after the season.

 

2009 Season

A team captain … Voted onto the All-Conference USA Second Team … Started all 13 games at defensive tackle … Helped the Knights lead C-USA in rushing defense for the second consecutive season and post C-USA's top total defense … Made a season-high five tackles at Southern Miss (Sept. 12) … One of his four stops at eventual C-USA Champion East Carolina (Sept. 26) was a sack … Recorded four solo tackles and broke up a pass against Miami (Oct. 17) … Made a sack and tackles three in UCF's nationally-televised win against Marshall (Nov. 1) … Contributed a TFL and a PBU to UCF's upset of No. 13 Houston (Nov. 14).

 

2008 Season

Voted onto the All-Conference USA Second Team … Made starts in all 12 games consistently being disruptive at his defensive tackle spot … Second on the team in tackles for a loss (12.5) … Created trouble vs. USF (Sept. 6), totaling four tackles including two tackles for a loss, as well as an 8-yard sack … Pressured UTEP (Sept. 27) with his eight total tackles, two of which went for a loss of 15 yards, and also forced a fumble … Congested the middle vs. SMU (Oct. 4), forcing two tackles for a loss and a QB hurry … Made five total tackles vs. Tulsa (Oct. 26) … Dominating performance vs. Southern Miss (Nov. 8), finishing with seven tackles, 2.5 for a loss and assisted on a sack … Also had a QB hurry as well as a pass break-up vs. the Golden Eagles … Totaled seven tackles in win vs. Marshall (Nov. 15), one for a loss … Finished the win at Memphis (Nov. 22) with four tackles including 1.5 for a loss … Accumulated four solo tackles vs. UAB (Nov. 29).

 

2007 Season

Made 11 starts and appeared in all 14 games at defensive tackle … Picked up three tackles, including one for a loss, in a 25-23 win at NC State (Sept. 1) … Notched two solo tackles vs. No. 6 Texas (Sept. 15) … Picked up two takedowns and a sack for a loss of five yards in a victory vs. Louisiana (Sept. 29) … Recorded two tackles at East Carolina (Oct. 6) … Started at left tackle at USF (Oct. 13) … Saw time vs. Tulsa (Oct. 20) … Collected two tackles in the victory at Southern Miss (Oct. 28) … Made an appearance vs. Marshall (Nov. 3) … Posted a tackle at UAB (Nov. 10) … Finished the win at SMU (Nov. 17) with three tackles, including one for a loss of three yards … Assisted on a tackle for loss against UTEP (Nov. 24) … Posted a solo stop in the victory over Tulsa in the C-USA Championship Game (Dec. 1) and in the AutoZone Liberty Bowl vs. Mississippi State (Dec. 29).

 

2006 Season

Made his Knight debut against Southern Miss (Sept. 26) … Saw action in nine games, including three starts at defensive tackle … Made the first start of his career against Pitt (Oct. 13) … Registered his first tackle at Houston (Oct. 28) in his second start … Started the season finale against UAB (Nov. 25) and made the first solo tackle of his career.

 

High School

Three-year letterman at Salem High School for head coach Frank Caputo … High school teammate of current Knight Jayson Williams … Two-time first-team all-state performer as a junior and senior … Named first-team all-area as a junior and senior … 36th-ranked prospect in the state of Georgia in the preseason according to Rivals.com … First-team all-North Georgia defensive tackle … Named Atlanta Touchdown Club Player of the Week during senior campaign … Finished senior season with 96 total tackles (50 solo stops), six tackles for loss and three sacks.

 

Personal

Troup is the son of Tory Troup and Lashana Johnson … Majoring in Interpersonal Organizational Communication … Played under the name Torrell Johnson during his first two seasons with the Knights.

[dgrid]

Troup article from Sept 09, good stuff...flippin burgers or football...

http://www.centralfloridafuture.com/from-b...sacks-1.1863676

[earthtobrint]

Troup = Ted Washington 2.0

 

He better start eating (and growing). Cody is the closest thing in a long time to Ted Washington. He is the potential Ted Washington 2.0. I'm not saying Troup can't turn out to be better than Cody, but Troup is not the guy that fits the Ted Washington physical mold.

[earthtobrint]

I get that Nix must've really liked Troup and I can live with them selecting him and passing on Cody, but from where Troup was graded, he was most likely going to be available in the 3rd round or maybe even 4th. The Bills could've gotten great value at need positions with Clausen or Charles Brown and still get Troup in the next round. I suppose the Bills must've been very down on those guys, or just desperately wanted Troup. For now I'll just have to assume the Bills know what they're doing.

[Steely Dan]

What kind of major is ' Interpersonal Organizational Communication ' ? Sounds like a class you might take your Junior year but a major?

 

Deano already dispelled the myth that this could be a joke degree but it did remind me of something funny. A friend of mine went to Geneseo and he was at a party one night in a hockey players room. He grabbed one of the hockey players textbooks and there was a chapter entitled; "Recognizing Ideas".

 

 

Still too early, Clausen was right there. Troup was pre ranked in the low 100's.

 

31 teams passed on Clausen at least once. We'll see if it's a good move or bad move.