Beerball Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Whatcha think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkc Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Whatcha think? sounds to good to be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB_55 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I think YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUFootball29 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Dan Williams at 9 and Jared Gaither with our 2nd...sounds like the makings of a great draft day experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtic_soulja Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Yes Gaither would be well worth the pick...but it says a 2nd round pick gets the conversation started...how much more would they want?...and is he worth two picks in this deep draft?...for us I say yeah...but then we're definitely looking at question marks on the defense...so...we'll see...but I would definitely be jumping for joy to get Gaither in a Bills uni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I think we would have to probably throw in other picks besides pick 41. Most likely a 4th and a 6th or a 3rd next year plus the 2nd this season and a 6th this season. I would love for it to happen at the right price. LT is such a big need and if we can get a solid one like Gather to nasty up our O-line and free up our 3rd round and 1st round picks to be much more fluid (NT, MLB, WR, RT, and QB could be addressed pick 9 but none of them are as big of a need as LT) allowing us to draft the best player at pick 9. If the trade was our 2nd and our 6th this season plus a conditional 4th next season (That could escalate to a 3rd) I would do it. Its a really good amount of picks for the Ravens and a really good player for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan74 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 How about we swap firsts and give them a 3rd or 2nd if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafter Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Anyone know why he is available? Are the ravens having difficulty re-signing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharper802 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Dan Williams at 9 and Jared Gaither with our 2nd...sounds like the makings of a great draft day experience Can I get an amen brother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharper802 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 2nd and Whitner????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjohns85 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 i say pull the trigger on the trade and draft trent williams at #9 and call it a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 That is a trade I would love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 why didn't buffalo go after him in the initial supplemental draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawchukBills Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Can I get an amen brother? Amen! I would consider giving up our 1st for Gaither...and 2nd! That's a no-brainer. (Assuming we can sign him long-term once his contract is up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I think we would have to probably throw in other picks besides pick 41. Most likely a 4th and a 6th or a 3rd next year plus the 2nd this season and a 6th this season. I would love for it to happen at the right price. LT is such a big need and if we can get a solid one like Gather to nasty up our O-line and free up our 3rd round and 1st round picks to be much more fluid (NT, MLB, WR, RT, and QB could be addressed pick 9 but none of them are as big of a need as LT) allowing us to draft the best player at pick 9. If the trade was our 2nd and our 6th this season plus a conditional 4th next season (That could escalate to a 3rd) I would do it. Its a really good amount of picks for the Ravens and a really good player for us. I doubt they would have to give up all of that. The 2nd and 6th should work. I wouldn't include anything in next years draft. This would be great if they could do it. Then trade out of 9 and get that 2nd round pick back or an extra 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I doubt they would have to give up all of that. The 2nd and 6th should work. I wouldn't include anything in next years draft. This would be great if they could do it. Then trade out of 9 and get that 2nd round pick back or an extra 3rd. If it takes a 5th or 4th next year plus the 2nd and 6th this year I would pull the trigger. Its going to take away a good package to pry Gather away from the Ravens. Giving them two picks this year (A high pick plus a late pick) and a mid round pick next season is a great package they wouldn't be able to resist. If its just the 2nd and a 6th another team would easily try and match that offer. But throwing in the future mid pick makes our offer likely the best one out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 git er dun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Why all the excitement about getting Jared Gaither and why does anyone think he is worth a 2nd, let alone more? He is a big tall OT (note I didn't say good LT) and he is young, but he was also noted for not working very hard just a few years ago coming out of college and I don't think he has proven that he is a special tackle in the NFL. If he had shown that he'd be a really good LT or even RT for that matter, I can't imagine why the Ravens (one of the most astute personell managing teams in the league) would be considering trading him. Buyer beware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Anyone know why he is available? Are the ravens having difficulty re-signing him? Yeah, they're having trouble signing him. Having siad that he's not available. People here think that because he was only offered a first-round tender, that's a sure-fire sign that the Ravens want to get rid of him. But if you look, how many guys with first-round tenders end up going to different teams in trades each year? One, maybe? Two? And you know who they are going to be, they're the ones who no longer fit into the system since the team is going to a bigger/smaller/3-4/4-3/zone-blocking system, or guys who have become a disturbance in the locker room ... It's guys we all know are going to go. The huge, gigantic majority of guys offered a first-round tender stay with their teams. It's not usually a signal that someone is available, it's usually an obvious statement that the team doesn't want to pay the player the extra 750 K or so which they have to pay if they give a higher tender. What everyone forgets is that Let's compare the Ravens situation now to their situation if they let Gaither go. Right now, they have two terrific tackles, both of whom are terrific run blockers. The Ravens were 5th in the league last year at total running yards, and 4th in the league at YPC, with 4.7, which is just a great result. Football Outsiders stats also show them as the 4th best offensive line at run blocking in the league. Football Outsiders also shows that Oher is simply the best run-blocking RT in the league and Gaither is the 13th best run-blocking LT in the league. They are a run-first team, a team that forces you to defend the run by smashing the hell out of you, which then gives them a chance to pass while their still-young, very promising but still-not-there-yet QB learns his trade. In other words, they're doing exactly what they want to do. Football Outsiders link: http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol Now, let's look at how they would do if they let Gaither go. Oher is moved to LT, where he almost definitely continues to be a force as a run-blocker. I'll have more to say about his pass blocking in a moment. Replacing Oher at RT is Tony Moll, the backup there. Moll is a 5th rounder who went to college at Nevada. This'll be his fifth year. He's played mostly right guard, but to be precise, he's mostly been a backup. In four years, he has been in started 15 games and participated (special teams? or to give the starter a breather?) in 39 games. He's not a particularly good player, though he's a solid backup. And the Ravens are happily going to plug this guy in at RT? Are you kidding? So, who else would fill the RT slot? The draft pick that they get in the trade? So they take one of the absolute best run blocking units in the league and plug in an unproven RT to replace arguably the best RT in the league? In the Bizarro universe this may make sense, but not in this one. Not for a team that believes that they have a shot at the Super Bowl this year. Now, opposite whoever they plug in at RT to not-replace Michael Oher, let's look at how Oher is likely to do at LT. Take a look at profootballfocus, the site which watches each game and grades each guy on performance. They even give separate score for run blocking, pass blocking, screen blocking and penalties. They are a highly respected website. Here's their summary of Michael Oher's performance last year: http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?...p;playerid=4946 Overall, they list him as the 19th best tackle (they look at right and left tackles as one group) out of 77. But look closer, at the table at the bottom of the screen. He played 5 games at LT and 11 games at RT. They score average play as a zero, so you know that negative numbers show bad play and positive numbers show good play. In eleven games as an RT, he recieved a cumulative score of PLUS 13.6, an extremely good score. In five games as an LT however, his cumulative score was MINUS 9.1, and that is genuinely horrible, particularly in only five games. If you pro-rate those five games across a sixteen game season, Oher's score as a LEFT TACKLE would have been MINUS 29.12, and that would have put him in the rankings as the 76th best tackle in the league. OUT OF 77. The second-worst tackle in the league. On the other hand, if you prorate his 11 games at right tackle across a 16 game season, his score would have been PLUS 19.8, which would have placed him as the 3rd best tackle in the league out of 77. I promised I'd get back to Oher's pass blocking abilities. In five games at LT, his pass blocking score was MINUS 3.9. In eleven games at RT? PLUS 8.4. He does pretty well against the guys he faces at RT, but against the hyper-athletic rushers he faced at LT, he simply couldn't get the job done. Pro-rate his five games at LT over a sixteen game season and you get MINUS 12.5 as a pass blocker. That would put him as the 69th best tackle out of 77, in other words, the 8th worst pass blocker in the league. And you want to switch THAT GUY to LEFT TACKLE? Are you insane? Perhaps if they were Cleveland or Oakland or ... I hate to say it , but with the way we have handled our OL the past five years or so, we fit with that group ... or Buffalo, they would do it. But the Ravens are a terrific organization and they don't do stupid things like this. The Ravens don't want to trade Gaither, they want to keep him. If someone gives him a contract offer, the Ravens will match it. Gaither is going nowhere. Don't get me wrong, the Bills would be crazy not to be interested. But even if he is available (and I'm betting LaCanfora is simply wrong on this), he has one more year left on his contract, and he will want ... and get ... Jason Peters money. The Bills have shown themselves not to be willing to pay market value for an excellent LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Why all the excitement about getting Jared Gaither and why does anyone think he is worth a 2nd, let alone more? He is a big tall OT (note I didn't say good LT) and he is young, but he was also noted for not working very hard just a few years ago coming out of college and I don't think he has proven that he is a special tackle in the NFL. If he had shown that he'd be a really good LT or even RT for that matter, I can't imagine why the Ravens (one of the most astute personell managing teams in the league) would be considering trading him. Buyer beware. Check this. He's darn good. But as long as everyone thinks he's available for trade, they won't make an offer to Gaither that would require their first round pick. Then the Ravens can't quite come to agreement and Gaither doesn't get an offer that the Ravens have to match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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