Which players would survive a regime change?

[folz]

In the Vic Carucci thread someone said that on Sirius radio Vic said the talent level was so bad

on the Bills team that 1/2 to 2/3 of the roster would be cut under new management. So it got me

wondering who I and the rest of you think are worthy of sticking around if (I mean when, please

when) we get a new GM and head coach. I pasted the roster below for easy reference and listed

who I think would or should stay below that. What do you all think?

 

ROSTER

# NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE YRS. COLLEGE

77 Bell, Demetrius OL 6-5 307 25 1 Northwestern State University

31 Byrd, Jairus S 5-10 200 23 R Oregon

73 Chambers, Kirk T 6-7 315 30 5 Stanford

27 Corner, Reggie CB 5-9 175 25 2 University of Akron

57 Corto, Jon LB 6-1 220 25 2 Sacred Heart

92 Denney, Ryan DE 6-7 264 32 8 BYU

52 Draft, Chris LB 5-11 234 33 11 Stanford

5 Edwards, Trent QB 6-4 231 26 3 Stanford

93 Ellis, Chris DE 6-4 261 24 2 Virginia Tech

56 Ellison, Keith LB 6-0 229 25 4 Oregon State

83 Evans, Lee WR 5-10 197 28 6 Wisconsin

86 Fine, Derek TE 6-3 247 26 2 Kansas

14 Fitzpatrick, Ryan QB 6-2 225 26 4 Harvard

29 Florence, Drayton CB 6-0 195 28 7 Tuskegee

10 Hamdan, Gibran QB 6-4 220 28 3 Indiana

63 Hangartner, Geoff OL 6-5 301 27 5 Texas A&M

84 Hardy, James WR 6-5 220 23 2 Indiana

54 Harris, Nic LB 6-2 232 23 R Oklahoma

22 Jackson, Fred RB 6-1 215 28 3 Coe College

17 Jenkins, Justin WR 6-0 207 28 3 Mississippi State

91 Johnson, Spencer DT 6-3 286 27 6 Auburn

13 Johnson, Steve WR 6-2 202 23 2 University of Kentucky

35 Johnson, Todd DB 6-1 204 30 6 Florida

90 Kelsay, Chris DE 6-4 261 30 7 Nebraska

25 Lankster, Ellis CB 5-9 190 22 R West Virginia

67 Levitre, Andy OL 6-2 305 23 R Oregon State

9 Lindell, Rian K 6-3 233 32 10 Washington State

23 Lynch, Marshawn RB 5-11 215 23 3 Cal

58 Maybin, Aaron DE 6-4 250 21 R Penn State

97 McCargo, John DT 6-2 307 26 4 NC State

24 McGee, Terrence CB 5-9 198 29 7 Northwestern State

38 McIntyre, Corey FB 6-0 258 30 5 West Virginia

68 McKinney, Seth OL 6-3 310 30 8 Texas A&M

69 Meredith, Jamon OL 6-5 304 23 R South Carolina

8 Moorman, Brian P 6-0 172 33 9 Pittsburgh State

89 Nelson, Shawn TE 6-5 240 24 R Southern Mississippi

81 Owens, Terrell WR 6-3 224 35 14 Tennessee-Chattanoog

59 Palmer, Ashlee LB 6-1 236 23 R Mississippi

11 Parrish, Roscoe WR 5-9 178 27 5 Miami (Fla.)

51 Posluszny, Paul LB 6-1 238 25 3 Penn State

82 Reed, Josh WR 5-10 210 29 8 LSU

65 Sanborn, Garrison LS 6-0 240 24 R Florida State

94 Schobel, Aaron DE 6-4 243 32 9 TCU

43 Scott, Bryan S 6-1 219 28 7 Penn State

79 Scott, Jonathan OL 6-6 318 26 3 Texas

99 Stroud, Marcus DT 6-6 310 31 9 Georgia

88 Stupar, Jonathan TE 6-3 254 25 1 Virginia

21 Wendling, John S 6-1 222 26 3 Wyoming

20 Whitner, Donte S 5-10 208 24 4 Ohio State

95 Williams, Kyle DT 6-1 306 26 4 Louisiana State

37 Wilson, George S 6-0 212 28 4 Arkansas

70 Wood, Eric OL 6-4 315 23 R Louisville

26 Youboty, Ashton CB 5-11 189 25 4 Ohio State

 

INJURED RESERVE

# NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE YRS. COLLEGE

53 Buggs, Marcus LB 5-10 223 24 2 Vanderbilt

60 Butler, Brad OL 6-7 315 26 4 Virginia

25 Hairston, Justise RB 6-1 210 26 1 Central Connecticut

71 McGhee, Jermaine DE 6-2 257 25 1 Prairie View A&M

28 McKelvin , Leodis CB 5-10 184 24 2 Troy

55 Mitchell, Kawika LB 6-1 253 30 7 South Florida

61 Philip, Marvin C 6-1 307 27 1 California

40 Sargeant, Lydell DB 6-1 187 22 R Penn State

80 Schouman, Derek TE 6-2 223 24 3 Boise State

98 Smith, Marcus DE 6-4 295 25 1 Arizona

 

PRACTICE SQUAD

# NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE YRS. COLLEGE

42 Hall, Bruce RB 5-11 205 24 1 Mississippi

47 Harris, Cary DB 5-11 187 22 R USC

18 Hawthorne, C.J. WR 5-11 168 25 1 Hawaii

74 Hennessey, Nick OL 6-5 291 23 R Colgate

15 Huggins, Felton WR 6-2 186 26 1 Southeastern Louisia

75 Mace, Corey DT 6-3 287 23 2 Wyoming

76 Ramsey, Andre OL 6-5 322 22 R Ball State

50 Waters, Anthony LB 6-3 238

 

 

So, my amateur opinion would be (based on talent-level alone, I didn't

take into consideration their salary or contracts or numbers at particular

positions, etc.):

 

Definitely Keep

Jarius Byrd

Lee Evans

Marshawn Lynch

Fred Jackson

Eric Wood

Marcus Stroud

Brian Moorman

Terrence McGee

Leodis McKelvin

Paul Posluszny

Shawn Nelson

Andy Levitre

Reggie Corner

Kyle Williams (even if we were to upgrade and he wasn't starting)

 

Definitely Keep due to potential (even if not starter)

Demetius Bell

Steve Johnson

Aaron Maybin

Nic Harris

 

Would Probably Keep

Rian Lindell

Aaron Schobel (although could be a victim due to age and injuries)

Bryan Scott (seems solid)

Brad Butler (would be happy with him as a backup swing OL)

 

 

On the Bubble

Trent Edwards (a lot rides on how he finishes out this season)

Drayton Florence

Geoff Hangartner

Chris Kelsay (although I do think he's played well this year)

Ellis Lankster

Terrell Owens (who knows what's going on with him)

James Hardy (could he break out in third year?)

Jamon Meredith

Donte Whitner

Kawika Mitchell

George Wilson (just because I like him)

Lydell Sargeant (Don't really know enough yet one way or the other)

Ashlee Palmer (ditto)

Ashton Youbouty (although injury history may totally ruin his chances)

 

As harsh as it sounds, everyone else looks expendable or easily replaceable to me. It might take

some time to replace them, but I don't know that we would ever miss them.

 

So, out of 71 players (including IR and Practice Squad) I would definitely keep 18 players, would

probably keep 4 more, and maybe 6 to 9 more from the bubble guys...so that's 28-31 of 71 or an

average of keeping only 39% to 44% of the players currently with the team.

 

I really expected when I started this that I would disagree with Carucci and say that it wouldn't be nearly

as high as two thirds, but my list isn't far from that. If only two of the bubble players were to stick around

we'd be at Vic's two thirds.

 

What do you all think? Anyone I forgot? Anyone I listed you wouldn't keep around? Are we really this bad?

[TheMadCap]

Not bad at all IMO, even thought they aren't ELITE players by any stretch, I would definitely think you keep Whitner and Hardy, and I would be tempted to keep Lankster and Wilson around for depth on D, and Edwards as a backup QB. You DEFINTELY cut Kelsay, just cause it would feel sooooo good to see him gone...

[apuszczalowski]

Its impossible to say until you know what kind of system the new regime is going to run on offence and defence

[zazie]

In the Vic Carucci thread someone said that on Sirius radio Vic said the talent level was so bad

on the Bills team that 1/2 to 2/3 of the roster would be cut under new management. So it got me

wondering who I and the rest of you think are worthy of sticking around if (I mean when, please

when) we get a new GM and head coach. I pasted the roster below for easy reference and listed

who I think would or should stay below that. What do you all think?

 

ROSTER

# NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE YRS. COLLEGE

77 Bell, Demetrius OL 6-5 307 25 1 Northwestern State University

31 Byrd, Jairus S 5-10 200 23 R Oregon

73 Chambers, Kirk T 6-7 315 30 5 Stanford

27 Corner, Reggie CB 5-9 175 25 2 University of Akron

57 Corto, Jon LB 6-1 220 25 2 Sacred Heart

92 Denney, Ryan DE 6-7 264 32 8 BYU

52 Draft, Chris LB 5-11 234 33 11 Stanford

5 Edwards, Trent QB 6-4 231 26 3 Stanford

93 Ellis, Chris DE 6-4 261 24 2 Virginia Tech

56 Ellison, Keith LB 6-0 229 25 4 Oregon State

83 Evans, Lee WR 5-10 197 28 6 Wisconsin

86 Fine, Derek TE 6-3 247 26 2 Kansas

14 Fitzpatrick, Ryan QB 6-2 225 26 4 Harvard

29 Florence, Drayton CB 6-0 195 28 7 Tuskegee

10 Hamdan, Gibran QB 6-4 220 28 3 Indiana

63 Hangartner, Geoff OL 6-5 301 27 5 Texas A&M

84 Hardy, James WR 6-5 220 23 2 Indiana

54 Harris, Nic LB 6-2 232 23 R Oklahoma

22 Jackson, Fred RB 6-1 215 28 3 Coe College

17 Jenkins, Justin WR 6-0 207 28 3 Mississippi State

91 Johnson, Spencer DT 6-3 286 27 6 Auburn

13 Johnson, Steve WR 6-2 202 23 2 University of Kentucky

35 Johnson, Todd DB 6-1 204 30 6 Florida

90 Kelsay, Chris DE 6-4 261 30 7 Nebraska

25 Lankster, Ellis CB 5-9 190 22 R West Virginia

67 Levitre, Andy OL 6-2 305 23 R Oregon State

9 Lindell, Rian K 6-3 233 32 10 Washington State

23 Lynch, Marshawn RB 5-11 215 23 3 Cal

58 Maybin, Aaron DE 6-4 250 21 R Penn State

97 McCargo, John DT 6-2 307 26 4 NC State

24 McGee, Terrence CB 5-9 198 29 7 Northwestern State

38 McIntyre, Corey FB 6-0 258 30 5 West Virginia

68 McKinney, Seth OL 6-3 310 30 8 Texas A&M

69 Meredith, Jamon OL 6-5 304 23 R South Carolina

8 Moorman, Brian P 6-0 172 33 9 Pittsburgh State

89 Nelson, Shawn TE 6-5 240 24 R Southern Mississippi

81 Owens, Terrell WR 6-3 224 35 14 Tennessee-Chattanoog

59 Palmer, Ashlee LB 6-1 236 23 R Mississippi

11 Parrish, Roscoe WR 5-9 178 27 5 Miami (Fla.)

51 Posluszny, Paul LB 6-1 238 25 3 Penn State

82 Reed, Josh WR 5-10 210 29 8 LSU

65 Sanborn, Garrison LS 6-0 240 24 R Florida State

94 Schobel, Aaron DE 6-4 243 32 9 TCU

43 Scott, Bryan S 6-1 219 28 7 Penn State

79 Scott, Jonathan OL 6-6 318 26 3 Texas

99 Stroud, Marcus DT 6-6 310 31 9 Georgia

88 Stupar, Jonathan TE 6-3 254 25 1 Virginia

21 Wendling, John S 6-1 222 26 3 Wyoming

20 Whitner, Donte S 5-10 208 24 4 Ohio State

95 Williams, Kyle DT 6-1 306 26 4 Louisiana State

37 Wilson, George S 6-0 212 28 4 Arkansas

70 Wood, Eric OL 6-4 315 23 R Louisville

26 Youboty, Ashton CB 5-11 189 25 4 Ohio State

 

INJURED RESERVE

# NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE YRS. COLLEGE

53 Buggs, Marcus LB 5-10 223 24 2 Vanderbilt

60 Butler, Brad OL 6-7 315 26 4 Virginia

25 Hairston, Justise RB 6-1 210 26 1 Central Connecticut

71 McGhee, Jermaine DE 6-2 257 25 1 Prairie View A&M

28 McKelvin , Leodis CB 5-10 184 24 2 Troy

55 Mitchell, Kawika LB 6-1 253 30 7 South Florida

61 Philip, Marvin C 6-1 307 27 1 California

40 Sargeant, Lydell DB 6-1 187 22 R Penn State

80 Schouman, Derek TE 6-2 223 24 3 Boise State

98 Smith, Marcus DE 6-4 295 25 1 Arizona

 

PRACTICE SQUAD

# NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE YRS. COLLEGE

42 Hall, Bruce RB 5-11 205 24 1 Mississippi

47 Harris, Cary DB 5-11 187 22 R USC

18 Hawthorne, C.J. WR 5-11 168 25 1 Hawaii

74 Hennessey, Nick OL 6-5 291 23 R Colgate

15 Huggins, Felton WR 6-2 186 26 1 Southeastern Louisia

75 Mace, Corey DT 6-3 287 23 2 Wyoming

76 Ramsey, Andre OL 6-5 322 22 R Ball State

50 Waters, Anthony LB 6-3 238

 

 

So, my amateur opinion would be (based on talent-level alone, I didn't

take into consideration their salary or contracts or numbers at particular

positions, etc.):

 

Definitely Keep

Jarius Byrd

Lee Evans

Marshawn Lynch

Fred Jackson

Eric Wood

Marcus Stroud

Brian Moorman

Terrence McGee

Leodis McKelvin

Paul Posluszny

Shawn Nelson

Andy Levitre

Reggie Corner

Kyle Williams (even if we were to upgrade and he wasn't starting)

 

Definitely Keep due to potential (even if not starter)

Demetius Bell

Steve Johnson

Aaron Maybin

Nic Harris

 

Would Probably Keep

Rian Lindell

Aaron Schobel (although could be a victim due to age and injuries)

Bryan Scott (seems solid)

Brad Butler (would be happy with him as a backup swing OL)

 

 

On the Bubble

Trent Edwards (a lot rides on how he finishes out this season)

Drayton Florence

Geoff Hangartner

Chris Kelsay (although I do think he's played well this year)

Ellis Lankster

Terrell Owens (who knows what's going on with him)

James Hardy (could he break out in third year?)

Jamon Meredith

Donte Whitner

Kawika Mitchell

George Wilson (just because I like him)

Lydell Sargeant (Don't really know enough yet one way or the other)

Ashlee Palmer (ditto)

Ashton Youbouty (although injury history may totally ruin his chances)

 

As harsh as it sounds, everyone else looks expendable or easily replaceable to me. It might take

some time to replace them, but I don't know that we would ever miss them.

 

So, out of 71 players (including IR and Practice Squad) I would definitely keep 18 players, would

probably keep 4 more, and maybe 6 to 9 more from the bubble guys...so that's 28-31 of 71 or an

average of keeping only 39% to 44% of the players currently with the team.

 

I really expected when I started this that I would disagree with Carucci and say that it wouldn't be nearly

as high as two thirds, but my list isn't far from that. If only two of the bubble players were to stick around

we'd be at Vic's two thirds.

 

What do you all think? Anyone I forgot? Anyone I listed you wouldn't keep around? Are we really this bad?

Great layout of the situation and a reality check for certain.

 

Nice job.

[Tcali]

good job. hard to argue with..

[KD in CA]

Its impossible to say until you know what kind of system the new regime is going to run on offense and defense

 

I know this is reality but I absolutely can't stand this answer. Is it really so difficult to find a coach that is able to create a scheme based on the talents of the existing players plus the best ones available in FA and the draft rather than insisting on pushing square pegs into round holes for 3 years looking for the right 'scheme' guys? How many more years are the Bills going to pass on guys like Orakpo and Ngata because they don't fit some impotent scheme?

 

As for the list, pretty good. Other than Whitner, I wouldn't be sorry to see anyone on that bubble list go.

[Bufcomments]

I liked reading this post, good job.

 

I would most def keep George Wilson, he the kind of player you want on the field and in the locker room.

 

And also I would move Hardy to the Potential list because we just have not seen enough of him to place him on the bubble.

[bills44]

Donte Whitner would survive a regime change....just ask him - he'll tell you.

[billsfan_34]

In the Vic Carucci thread someone said that on Sirius radio Vic said the talent level was so bad

on the Bills team that 1/2 to 2/3 of the roster would be cut under new management. So it got me

wondering who I and the rest of you think are worthy of sticking around if (I mean when, please

when) we get a new GM and head coach. I pasted the roster below for easy reference and listed

who I think would or should stay below that. What do you all think?

 

ROSTER

# NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE YRS. COLLEGE

77 Bell, Demetrius OL 6-5 307 25 1 Northwestern State University

31 Byrd, Jairus S 5-10 200 23 R Oregon

73 Chambers, Kirk T 6-7 315 30 5 Stanford

27 Corner, Reggie CB 5-9 175 25 2 University of Akron

57 Corto, Jon LB 6-1 220 25 2 Sacred Heart

92 Denney, Ryan DE 6-7 264 32 8 BYU

52 Draft, Chris LB 5-11 234 33 11 Stanford

5 Edwards, Trent QB 6-4 231 26 3 Stanford

93 Ellis, Chris DE 6-4 261 24 2 Virginia Tech

56 Ellison, Keith LB 6-0 229 25 4 Oregon State

83 Evans, Lee WR 5-10 197 28 6 Wisconsin

86 Fine, Derek TE 6-3 247 26 2 Kansas

14 Fitzpatrick, Ryan QB 6-2 225 26 4 Harvard

29 Florence, Drayton CB 6-0 195 28 7 Tuskegee

10 Hamdan, Gibran QB 6-4 220 28 3 Indiana

63 Hangartner, Geoff OL 6-5 301 27 5 Texas A&M

84 Hardy, James WR 6-5 220 23 2 Indiana

54 Harris, Nic LB 6-2 232 23 R Oklahoma

22 Jackson, Fred RB 6-1 215 28 3 Coe College

17 Jenkins, Justin WR 6-0 207 28 3 Mississippi State

91 Johnson, Spencer DT 6-3 286 27 6 Auburn

13 Johnson, Steve WR 6-2 202 23 2 University of Kentucky

35 Johnson, Todd DB 6-1 204 30 6 Florida

90 Kelsay, Chris DE 6-4 261 30 7 Nebraska

25 Lankster, Ellis CB 5-9 190 22 R West Virginia

67 Levitre, Andy OL 6-2 305 23 R Oregon State

9 Lindell, Rian K 6-3 233 32 10 Washington State

23 Lynch, Marshawn RB 5-11 215 23 3 Cal

58 Maybin, Aaron DE 6-4 250 21 R Penn State

97 McCargo, John DT 6-2 307 26 4 NC State

24 McGee, Terrence CB 5-9 198 29 7 Northwestern State

38 McIntyre, Corey FB 6-0 258 30 5 West Virginia

68 McKinney, Seth OL 6-3 310 30 8 Texas A&M

69 Meredith, Jamon OL 6-5 304 23 R South Carolina

8 Moorman, Brian P 6-0 172 33 9 Pittsburgh State

89 Nelson, Shawn TE 6-5 240 24 R Southern Mississippi

81 Owens, Terrell WR 6-3 224 35 14 Tennessee-Chattanoog

59 Palmer, Ashlee LB 6-1 236 23 R Mississippi

11 Parrish, Roscoe WR 5-9 178 27 5 Miami (Fla.)

51 Posluszny, Paul LB 6-1 238 25 3 Penn State

82 Reed, Josh WR 5-10 210 29 8 LSU

65 Sanborn, Garrison LS 6-0 240 24 R Florida State

94 Schobel, Aaron DE 6-4 243 32 9 TCU

43 Scott, Bryan S 6-1 219 28 7 Penn State

79 Scott, Jonathan OL 6-6 318 26 3 Texas

99 Stroud, Marcus DT 6-6 310 31 9 Georgia

88 Stupar, Jonathan TE 6-3 254 25 1 Virginia

21 Wendling, John S 6-1 222 26 3 Wyoming

20 Whitner, Donte S 5-10 208 24 4 Ohio State

95 Williams, Kyle DT 6-1 306 26 4 Louisiana State

37 Wilson, George S 6-0 212 28 4 Arkansas

70 Wood, Eric OL 6-4 315 23 R Louisville

26 Youboty, Ashton CB 5-11 189 25 4 Ohio State

 

INJURED RESERVE

# NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE YRS. COLLEGE

53 Buggs, Marcus LB 5-10 223 24 2 Vanderbilt

60 Butler, Brad OL 6-7 315 26 4 Virginia

25 Hairston, Justise RB 6-1 210 26 1 Central Connecticut

71 McGhee, Jermaine DE 6-2 257 25 1 Prairie View A&M

28 McKelvin , Leodis CB 5-10 184 24 2 Troy

55 Mitchell, Kawika LB 6-1 253 30 7 South Florida

61 Philip, Marvin C 6-1 307 27 1 California

40 Sargeant, Lydell DB 6-1 187 22 R Penn State

80 Schouman, Derek TE 6-2 223 24 3 Boise State

98 Smith, Marcus DE 6-4 295 25 1 Arizona

 

PRACTICE SQUAD

# NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE YRS. COLLEGE

42 Hall, Bruce RB 5-11 205 24 1 Mississippi

47 Harris, Cary DB 5-11 187 22 R USC

18 Hawthorne, C.J. WR 5-11 168 25 1 Hawaii

74 Hennessey, Nick OL 6-5 291 23 R Colgate

15 Huggins, Felton WR 6-2 186 26 1 Southeastern Louisia

75 Mace, Corey DT 6-3 287 23 2 Wyoming

76 Ramsey, Andre OL 6-5 322 22 R Ball State

50 Waters, Anthony LB 6-3 238

 

 

So, my amateur opinion would be (based on talent-level alone, I didn't

take into consideration their salary or contracts or numbers at particular

positions, etc.):

 

Definitely Keep

Jarius Byrd

Lee Evans

Marshawn Lynch

Fred Jackson

Eric Wood

Marcus Stroud

Brian Moorman

Terrence McGee

Leodis McKelvin

Paul Posluszny

Shawn Nelson

Andy Levitre

Reggie Corner

Kyle Williams (even if we were to upgrade and he wasn't starting)

 

Definitely Keep due to potential (even if not starter)

Demetius Bell

Steve Johnson

Aaron Maybin

Nic Harris

 

Would Probably Keep

Rian Lindell

Aaron Schobel (although could be a victim due to age and injuries)

Bryan Scott (seems solid)

Brad Butler (would be happy with him as a backup swing OL)

 

 

On the Bubble

Trent Edwards (a lot rides on how he finishes out this season)

Drayton Florence

Geoff Hangartner

Chris Kelsay (although I do think he's played well this year)

Ellis Lankster

Terrell Owens (who knows what's going on with him)

James Hardy (could he break out in third year?)

Jamon Meredith

Donte Whitner

Kawika Mitchell

George Wilson (just because I like him)

Lydell Sargeant (Don't really know enough yet one way or the other)

Ashlee Palmer (ditto)

Ashton Youbouty (although injury history may totally ruin his chances)

 

As harsh as it sounds, everyone else looks expendable or easily replaceable to me. It might take

some time to replace them, but I don't know that we would ever miss them.

 

So, out of 71 players (including IR and Practice Squad) I would definitely keep 18 players, would

probably keep 4 more, and maybe 6 to 9 more from the bubble guys...so that's 28-31 of 71 or an

average of keeping only 39% to 44% of the players currently with the team.

 

I really expected when I started this that I would disagree with Carucci and say that it wouldn't be nearly

as high as two thirds, but my list isn't far from that. If only two of the bubble players were to stick around

we'd be at Vic's two thirds.

 

What do you all think? Anyone I forgot? Anyone I listed you wouldn't keep around? Are we really this bad?

I love the post...obviously you gave everything much though. I think lynch is gone. He just isnt that good. Doesnt see the hole, poor vision, drops passes and his overall demeanor stinks. We are losing by 20 points to Houston and the dude is laughing on the sidelines. Thats one of the HUGE problems with this team. I think Mitchell will go too. Most everything else I agree with. Nice Job thanks!!!!

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1) Defense: I think we have to build the team around Maybin, McKelvin, and Byrd--particularly Maybin. You don't take a guy like Maybin at #11 and try to squeeze him into your scheme--build the entire defense around him if necessary, or don't draft him.

 

2) Offense: It seems like we have a core interior line in place, and those three guys stay. Other than that, I don't see any guys we absolutely must keep (except maybe Hamdan ).

[silvermike]

Note - if you're responding to the original post, which is three pages long or so, you don't have to quote the whole thing.

[StupidNation]

Drayton Florence to me is not on the bubble but a definite, same with Schobel who was just extended. Both are playing solid.

 

As far as the "would probably" I would say Lindell is a definite and has earned a starting job. He's not only been a good FG kicker but he's very solid in kick-offs.

 

You have definitely Posluszny but I don't see how or why he is a definite and guys like Schobel and Lindell are not. Explain

[billnutinphoenix]

I can't disagree with this list....

[Rico]

On Sirius, Vic said 1/2 to 2/3 of the roster could be cut, not would be cut. When he was talking about management changes, he intimated that he had insider knowledge... but when he was talking about player talent, he was only offering his opinion.

 

Still a good thread though, I say chop 'em down and clean 'em out!

[silvermike]

So what starters are likely to shove off? On offense, Hangartener, Edwards, Owens, I'd say, with Ellison on defense? Mitchell, Whitner, Bell, and Williams all remaining on the bubble.

[Tcali]

1) Defense: I think we have to build the team around Maybin, McKelvin, and Byrd--particularly Maybin. You don't take a guy like Maybin at #11 and try to squeeze him into your scheme--build the entire defense around him if necessary, or don't draft him.

 

2) Offense: It seems like we have a core interior line in place, and those three guys stay. Other than that, I don't see any guys we absolutely must keep (except maybe Hamdan ).

build the team around Maybin?????

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

build the team around Maybin?????

 

why not? if this guy was supposed to be such an explosive pass rusher, he needs to be a focal point, like Woodley and Harrison are for the Steelers. Shift the defense to 3-4, and make him the featured pass rusher. I'm just tired of drafting supposedly big-time players, but never figuring out how to use them.

[USABuffaloFan]

why not? if this guy was supposed to be such an explosive pass rusher, he needs to be a focal point, like Woodley and Harrison are for the Steelers. Shift the defense to 3-4, and make him the featured pass rusher. I'm just tired of drafting supposedly big-time players, but never figuring out how to use them.

 

This is why we need new pro-personnel people. Maybin was a bad pick. He had one good year with Penn state where he wasn't even the starter at the beginning. He had one game he rolled most of his 12 sacks into. There isn't enough proof that this guy deserved being picked 11th. Starting to look like another Eric flowers to me who was a 1 year wonder also. can you say BUST! Very poor judgement. Now you want to build a defense around this kid. Let the losing continue!!!!!!

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

This is why we need new pro-personnel people. Maybin was a bad pick. He had one good year with Penn state where he wasn't even the starter at the beginning. He had one game he rolled most of his 12 sacks into. There isn't enough proof that this guy deserved being picked 11th. Starting to look like another Eric flowers to me who was a 1 year wonder also. can you say BUST! Very poor judgement. Now you want to build a defense around this kid. Let the losing continue!!!!!!

 

I have no idea how good Maybin was or is; all I know is that all the draft niks were drooling about this kid and, more significantly, we picked him. I'm not ready to throw away another high pick without seeing him play and used in a manner that utilizes his skills. It's clear he can't play DE in the 4-3 scheme we use now.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Im going to miss the days of not having backup LB's on the roster to make room for special teams players.

[Clippers of Nfl]

leodis must go. we were like 2 seconds away from breaking our loss streak vs pats. HOWEVER if we beat the pats next game, then we keep leodis. he's not too shabby. lol

[Albany,n.y.]

I tried to think back to the mid 80s teams & who was left from the bad squads when we got good. Using that as a guide, I could see these guys on a Super Bowl team down the road. Some guys, like Stroud, I don't expect to be around in the 2-3 years needed to rebuild.

 

31 Byrd, Jairus S 5-10 200 23 R Oregon

27 Corner, Reggie CB 5-9 175 25 2 University of Akron

83 Evans, Lee WR 5-10 197 28 6 Wisconsin

22 Jackson, Fred RB 6-1 215 28 3 Coe College

25 Lankster, Ellis CB 5-9 190 22 R West Virginia

67 Levitre, Andy OL 6-2 305 23 R Oregon State

9 Lindell, Rian K 6-3 233 32 10 Washington State

24 McGee, Terrence CB 5-9 198 29 7 Northwestern State

8 Moorman, Brian P 6-0 172 33 9 Pittsburgh State

89 Nelson, Shawn TE 6-5 240 24 R Southern Mississippi

51 Posluszny, Paul LB 6-1 238 25 3 Penn State

65 Sanborn, Garrison LS 6-0 240 24 R Florida State

20 Whitner, Donte S 5-10 208 24 4 Ohio State

95 Williams, Kyle DT 6-1 306 26 4 Louisiana State

70 Wood, Eric OL 6-4 315 23 R Louisville

60 Butler, Brad OL 6-7 315 26 4 Virginia

28 McKelvin , Leodis CB 5-10 184 24 2 Troy

[please stop the pain]

Definites, probably's and bubbles comes to 31 players. Figuring the 53 man roster, I think it would be unreasonable to assume the Bills could pick up 22 improved players in the off-season. Keep this list for the ones not to lose, then go from the other end and make a list of the ones they must get rid of.....

[BillsfaninFl]

Great analysis. There is no doubt that this was a post that was thought through at length and is interesting to ponder. While I don't share your opinions on everyone, I respect your conclusions.

 

Observing the number of players who have left the Bills and are playing well on other teams, it's hard for me to accept that there is not a lot of talent among those who remain in Buffalo. I keep coming back to the conclusion that many of our players are being mishandled (regarding development or the way they are used on the field). Think about teams that have made extreme turnarounds from one year to the next. There have been several during the last decade. While they may have experienced coaching changes and a dozen player changes, there were few mass exoduses. Players that seemed inadequate suddenly looked much better after the other changes around them. I continue to believe (and hope) that a modest number of changes is all that is required.

 

However, how do you cut or trade an owner?