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100% according to the rules you can't wear a Hillary shirt I don't think anyone would wear one anyways

Maybe true, however i'm just spit balling here....my gut tell me this doesn't happen to someone with an obama/kamala/hillary shirt...just a hunch. Which is a core problem here in America.

Maybe a cautionary tale for all the other Republican 2028 hopefuls? Obama's Cult of Personality was not transferable to Hillary or Kamala. Or Biden, but that COVID year is looking like an outlier. Is Trump's Cult of Personality transferable to anyone else in the Republican Party? Republicans themselves seemed to say no when good candidates like DeSantis and Haley (and for hardline Evangelicals, Pence) failed to gain traction. We'll find out for sure in 2028.

How galling it is for him that his pleas to the American people on behalf of Hillary and Kamala were rebuffed. Losing to the orange menace TWICE. Truly an a-hole.

I agree with everything you said. At the same time, Peloisi is planning to run for another term at 86. And to be fair, Hillary currently is A LOT MORE ON THE BALL than brain-dead Biden or air-head Kamala. I think the Dems should seriously consider her. I'd love another chance to vote against Hillary!

Please . . . . . . . Please . . . . . . . Please. Hillary Clinton sparks wild 2028 speculation with social media announcement by Jon Michael Raasch Speculation has run rampant about whether Hillary Clinton may run for president in 2028 after a speaking event was announced in coming weeks. Both Bill and Hillary Clinton are scheduled to speak in the coming weeks at the 20th anniversary of the Clinton Presidential Center in Little Rock, Arkansas - which includes the William J. Clinton Presidential Library and Museum. The event, planned for the afternoon on December 7, will include remarks from the powerful couple regarding their past political and philanthropic work. 'The Clintons will share reflections on the noble and important work of public service – from securing peace, prosperity, and progress during the Clinton administration https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14134347/hillary-clinton-sparks-2028-speculation-social-media.html

The issue most cited by voters was "threat to democracy." A majority of respondents who cited a "threat to democracy" were concerned with the censorship creeping towards 1984 of the Democrat party / media establishment. You know, Hillary Clinton, Kerry and Kamala saying they have to impose censorship on conservative views in order to establish "total control."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wasserman-schultz-sparks-backlash-claiming-tulsi-gabbard-russian-asset Christ you guys are pathetic. First off Tulsi can sue for Defamation and should. 2nd Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz was forced to resign from the DNC in 2016 after she was caught rigging the primaries for Hillary Clinton, and helping with the False Trump Russian BS. I feel she will be censured and should face criminal prosecution if possible.

Did Hillary stay with Bill after a pretty embarrassing situation ? I'd say she stays .

I just bought a black homeless guy lunch. I forgot to practice white supremacy today I guess. How about we are all Americans? Except for the non-americans that are here but they are leaving soon. Kamala lost because she ran the worst campaign in my lifetime. Hillary ran a poor campaign and almost won but Kamala was next level unqualified. People aren't stupid. We saw right through their scheme.

The soundtrack for this election! It was almost as fun as the Hillary beat down in 2016.

Andy1 - I was in the defense space. What you say is not the case. What makes us vulnerable to terrorist attacks in the fact our border had been open for a very long period of time and terrorists/terrorist cells have waltzed right in. This is a fact. Please bookmark this post, because there is an extremely high probability that an attack on US soil will occur - very high. (Also, your summation that Trump would share intel with Putin is Rachael Maddow bull####. Doesn’t happen) Come on Burgundy…catch the hell up. LMAO - the Russian hoax was proven over and over. Hillary should be in jail. I’ll give you time to catch up and a *virtual hug* just like I gave 4th and Long. You’ll be OK, we’re here for you. 😘

This election was an absolute delight but nothing will ever beat Hillary losing.

I like that the media ran with it because it gave all the libs and the news media the idea that Kamala was going to WIN BIG! Thus making the evening almost as enjoyable as 2016 when Hillary lost. Refreshing!

Trump tried to take the high road and leave Hillary alone in 2016. And they still came after him. No holding back now. Throw all of these dummies in jail.

The insurrection was Hillary and Russia Gate hoax and subsequent steal of the last election. 1/6 was orchestrated by Pelosi, Schumer, and their cronies. I’m glad it went down this way though. Trump back in after what they did to him the last eight years is going to be a wonderful thing to watch. 🥰 I love how libtards cry and threaten to leave the country, it cracks me up and shows their character. Conservatives on the other hand will keep on fighting and sacrificing to protect this once great country. Polar opposites really. Maybe you should leave this “3rd world country” with your buddies who already offered? edit: the truth hurts

Will he do as promised and have mass deportations? Or more lies to feed his cult? Will Hillary Clinton be arrested? She did send emails, ya know

How is it depressed? She got virtually the same number of votes as Hillary and Obama.

The biggest thing I've learned from this is that Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. is singularly the greatest force in modern American political history. The president he served under was seen as a political giant based on his victories and the total number of votes won, but I think we can clearly conclude at this point that Biden was the real driving force behind Obama's two terms of victory. Obama won (more in 2008, fewer in 2012) on average within in a few million votes of what Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris won in 2016 and 2024. He was also the first DNC president to win an actual vote majority since Carter barely eclipsed half at 50.1% in 1976. I thought at the time Obama was a strong political talent who was the figurehead ushering in the new Democratic party, but it was clearly the inclusion of Biden as his VP which won the day. When Obama was removed from the ticket and Biden defeated Trump in 2020 (beating an incumbent president after having himself gone back to continue his long tenured Senate role in Delaware) soundly and won a staggering 81MM votes. When Biden was removed from the ticket in 2024, with his VP (Kamala Devi Harris) running while he was still the sitting president who endorsed her, facing the same Trump who he earned the above mentioned record number of votes against, Harris earned ~13MM (counting is still ongoing in the more tardy states) fewer votes than Biden. The vote total that Biden won was so earth shattering that the second and third greatest number of votes won in a presidential election, both by Trump once in defeat to Biden and once in victory over Harris, were 6MM and 8MM fewer. Every single time Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. has been on a ticket for the White House, his party has won with a majority of total votes, and set or challenged records for total number of votes won. He is the real champion of the 2008, 2012, 2020, and 2024 election, and it is clear that if had run in 2016 he would have been victorious with a then record (possibly shattered during his second run in 2020) number of votes.

https://dnyuz.com/2024/11/07/for-putin-trumps-win-is-a-new-opening-and-a-chance-to-win-the-war/ The Kremlin tried and failed for four years to turn President Donald J. Trump’s friendly rhetoric into friendly policy. Now it has a second chance. In the run-up to Tuesday’s U.S. election, Russian officials said they cared little about the outcome. American policy toward Russia had only hardened during Mr. Trump’s four years in office, they argued, citing sanctions and his delivery of weapons to Ukraine. But after Mr. Trump’s victory, the mood began to shift. Some people close to the Kremlin sought to pave the way for rapprochement with Washington despite what many Russians see as an American proxy war against them in Ukraine. “Trump and his team have a reputation of being very pragmatic,” Kirill Dmitriev, the head of Russia’s sovereign wealth fund and a close ally of President Vladimir V. Putin, said in a phone interview on Wednesday. Mr. Trump’s return to the White House would be an opportunity, he added, to “look at things in a more problem-solving manner than was done by previous administrations.” Mr. Dmitriev declined to comment on whether he had sent private messages this week to anyone on the Trump team. But he issued a public statement signaling that the Kremlin saw a second Trump presidency as a welcome change, and a new opening to form a bond with Mr. Trump — who has often praised Mr. Putin’s authoritarian leadership and avoided condemning Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. After the “lies, incompetence and malice of the Biden administration,” Mr. Dmitriev said, there were now “new opportunities for resetting relations between Russia and the United States.” It was a notable invitation from Mr. Dmitriev, whose role as an informal emissary for Mr. Putin was documented in the American special counsel’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. At the time, Robert S. Mueller III found, Mr. Dmitriev was already seeking to connect with Mr. Trump’s inner circle the morning after his win over Hillary Clinton. The Kremlin’s top priority this time around appears to be cutting a deal on its terms in Ukraine. Mr. Trump has said repeatedly that he could end the war in a day, without saying how, and a settlement outlined by Vice President-elect JD Vance echoes what people close to the Kremlin say Mr. Putin wants: allowing Russia to keep the territory it has captured and guaranteeing that Ukraine will not join NATO. Vladimir Pozner, a longtime Russian and Soviet state television journalist, said in an interview from Moscow that none of his friends and acquaintances had wanted Vice President Kamala Harris to win. Mr. Trump, he said, was seen as someone who could end the war, “probably in Russia’s favor.” “There is this general feeling that Trump would be better for Russia,” he said. “Maybe we’ll be finished with this war, and maybe the relationship will improve.”

Don't hold your breathe for these fools to see the light. There can be an economic calamity and Trump will just proclaim it to be Hillary Clinton's fault, and they will believe it. I agree that this is not going to end well, but don't expect any eating of crow from the cult. They will believe whatever Trump says, no matter how stupid it is

After this night, the "Safe Space" was invented. HIllary Clinton actually did make something.

With a hat tip to two of our best commenters on the football side-- 1. I'm not surprised that Trump won the electoral college. I am surprised that he won the popular vote - the first time a Republican has done so since 2004. It's certainly better than 2016 because we have some clarity. Trump now owns whatever happens politically (and yes, economically) for the next 4 years. He has the Senate and very likely the House, and a compliant Supreme Court. He sets the legislative and foreign policy agenda. Last time he set aside immigration, health care, etc. in favor of Paul Ryan's more standard Republican tax cutting agenda. If there isn't a strong comprehensive immigration reform bill in the first few months I'll have to assume we're in for more of the same. 2. Democrats obviously need to rethink their coalition. Highly educated whites + lesser educated black and brown people isn't going to work. It was an unstable coalition to begin with since there really weren't enough common interests. It just blew up. Good. Trump refashioned the Republican Party/coalition in his own likeness; he will now refashion the Democratic Party/coalition as they respond to the new reality. Where is their Bill Clinton? 3. Bond markets are pricing in increased inflationary expectations. Running for President is easy if you don't issue comprehensive policy plans but just try to target certain groups/states. No taxes on tips! No taxes on social security! But there's deficits, and there's real associated spending cuts that need to happen. 4. Abortion. Exit polls show about a 2:1 split in favor of some Roe-type abortion rights. It remains untenable to have a large swath of the country with abortion bans in this situation. We aren't done with the abortion wars by any means. My prediction: it will involve interstate travel to obtain an abortion. And I don't see how that resolves in a pretty way. 5. Hope for better governance? Well, some smart people have it. Here's one: https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2024/11/what-is-the-best-case-scenario-for-a-trump-presidency.html#comments. I could go along with this! But this is a fantasy. It would depend on having adult, experienced policy advisors. That's not what Trump has promised, and that's not our experience with him. Example from that blog: Trade Policy: Moderate tariff increases on China. No Chinese electric cars for us. But drop the “tariffs on everything” language. He can always say his rhetoric was a threat to get other countries to lower their tariffs. Let’s instead talk tough against our enemies but shift toward “friend-shoring”, maintaining or even lowering tariffs with allied nations, such as Canada, Europe, and possibly India, as part of a broader strategy to contain China’s influence. What are the chances something like this actually happens? 6. The 2028 race begins today. Trump is term limited. JD Vance will be the initial anointed one. Are other Republicans going to clear the field for him? Umm, no. Ron DeSantis isn't waiting. Several women are ready to grab that First Woman President that Hillary and Kamala couldn't deliver on. On the Democratic side, watch how they play this. I said a Bill Clinton type is what they need, but a significant faction will say why they lost is they marginalized their leftist wing. That wing will storm back. My take: Obama's success wasn't replicable; he was a rare political talent who built a cult of personality that was, of course, personal to him. Not transferable to Hillary or Biden or Kamala. Trump is likewise a rare political talent. The cult of personality around him is not transferable to DeSantis or Ted Cruz or Don Jr. So these are party identifications built on individuals who will exit the scene, not built on stable coalitions or policy choices. In other words, it's wide open. 7. We used to say That come the day We'd all be making songs Or finding better words These ideas never lasted long The way is up Along the road The air is growing thin Too many friends who tried Were blown off this mountain with the wind Meet on the ledge We're gonna meet on the ledge When my time is up I'm gonna see all my friends Meet on the ledge We're gonna meet on the ledge If you really mean it, it all comes round again 8. No one is rioting or filing lawsuits or screaming fraud. Maybe, just maybe, that phase of American politics has calmed down. We can hope.

She had 107 days. Hillary is the worse I can remember.

Probably, like Hillary in 2016, too drunk to speak.