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I'll take my chances on the superstar thing, and still call it a stupid move if I want to...The truth is there is at least a decent chance Ragland would have been there had the Bills just stayed put...I don't like trading up and giving up picks...So I'm pretty much going to think it's stupid regardless...And that's just my opinion...It's nothing against Ragland...I did not like the trade up...And I definitely did not feel he was the sure fire 1st round talent Whaley said he was...He's a solid player...But IMHO he's not worth a 2nd and two 4th's, one of which cost the Bills a potential Franchise QB we now know they intended on Drafting... If Ragland proves me wrong it's a win for me no matter what because I still love the Bills...But I think that superstar thing is a big-time long-shot...Especially with the ACL now...

Well...I watch a TON of tape when I like a guy...everything I can get my hands on...There are a lot of players I watch 5-10 mins from a couple games and I never watch again...Just don't like em' or it's a lot of...Meh... The 1st time I watched anything on Mahomes...I think it was the La Tech game...The first freaking play!!! He dodges an unblocked rusher, steps up and has another bearing down on him, pulls up in a flash and floats an absolute perfect gem of a pass over the middle...Hits the receiver just perfectly in stride for a HUGE gain...And I'm like OK...Wow...Just wow! Now...Is all his tape that good? No...But...A lot of it is...And the swagger that kid plays with...He's got to be my favorite player coming out of any Draft since Cam Newton...I probably like him more than Cam...It is going to depend on how much patience the team that gets him has...Favre drove Holmgren insane at times...But I think with Mahomes patience will pay off and he will be a top 5 QB in this league in 3 years... And if that happens I will literally never, ever forgive the Bills if they pass on him...Unless of course they somehow manage to match his output at the QB position elsewhere... Anyway...Love the kid...Please Coach McDermott...Pound that freaking table...

Well...It's Tony Romo...Not Brian Hoyer...What would you expect? There's a hell of a lot of history there and the Owner not only loves Romo, they are personal friends... I'm pretty sure Sal Cappachio has gone on record saying Dak was the pick instead of Cardale had he been there...The Bills did like Dak quite a bit...But in typical Bills fashion they valued a MLB and back-up DT more than the most important position on the field... I'm really unsure why any Bills fan is willing to let them off the hook on that one...The miscalculation and inability to work the Draft board in your favor, instead of against you, was really inexcusable...And to top it all off we don't have a 4th this year because of that stupid trade-up for Ragland...

Yep...And I think he's right this time... Did you hear Matt Waldman on WGR today? I think he absolutely nailed the Mahomes topic... And spoiler in case you did not hear it, he likes Mahomes...He basically said...And please forgive me for paraphrasing here...Trubisky is more of the Alex Smith-type QB...Mahomes is the Big Ben/Favre-type...But he explained in detail why teams will Draft the Trubisky-types over the Mahomes-types...It was a really great/detailed explanation of how QB's like Mahomes look real bad early on when they make mistakes because they have no fear, and few limits to what they can do...So...Even though it takes a litte time to coach the bad out it's completely coach-able because you're sort of reverse engineering...They can already do all the hard stuff...You're working backwards on the fundamentals... The one caveat is they HAVE to be hard workers...and Mahomes is... He also said the Mahomes bad footwork/technique knock is a bit overblown because there are plenty of throws where he has picture perfect form...The difference is with a guy like Mahomes, when things go bad and break down, he elevates quite often...it's an unteachable trait... Mahomes is a much safer bet than teams think...But generally they don't have the patience...It's a lot of CYA by GM's...And that's why they get it wrong a lot... The Bills better Draft that kid...

This is true to a point...But I was listening to the Kiper/McShay podcast yesterday and Kiper made it very clear that Gruden loves Mahomes...He said Mahomes is Gruden's guy this year and promised that just about every pick Gruden would be saying the team should take Mahomes... So...Apparently he loves Mahomes a little more than even the usual QB love...

Who are these guys? Don't Draft a QB because you might piss KW and Woody off? If my GM or HC is thinking that way I fire them on the spot... Great plan for more 7-9!!! Ugh...

1) Mahomes 2) Trubisky 3) Watson 4) Foster 5) Davis (though I'm not crazy about WR in the 1st...I like the kid)

I've watched enough of all these guys to say that I don't think this statement is anywhere close to being the truth...And it's really no knock on Dobbs or Webb as developmental prospects...But just as capable of becoming good starters? I don't think that is the case at all...Especially when compared with Trubisky, Watson, and my favorite Mahomes...

I know it's a very good possibility the Bills take Humphrey or Conley at #10...Because that's what the Bills do... Not that either of them are bad prospects...I like them both...But we're back to - Have a hole through Free Agency, plug that hole in the Draft...Go 7-9 again... It's just a big, long, yawn for me...Why do I fell like this is what we will do, and in 3 years this board will be lit up with "we passed on QB X for a CB...?" Anyway...

You seriously have got to be kidding me with this Patsie crap... They better not lose TD Mike to that team for a freaking 5th Rd Pick... Can we not have anything nice? Ugh...

I lived in Charlotte for 20 plus years...Still live in NC now...My Nephew became a huge Panthers fan so I do like to follow them...Definitely pull for them...Cam is my favorite non-Bills player...Really like Greg Olsen too... But if they play the Bills I hope they get crushed...

Well...It is Cleveland...It's not like they don't have a reason...

You do realize Mahomes is light years ahead of EJ as a prospect right? Even with all the questions about mechanics, and snaps from under center, footwork, EJ does not belong in a conversation with Mahomes as a prospect coming out...They are light years apart...And that's not to say Mahomes is a sure deal by any stretch...It's just the truth...

Good grief...

Honestly...I would not be at all surprised if he was the 1st QB taken...He's my #1 QB in this Draft and I've been doing this amateur scouting thing for over 20 years...I'm not saying whatsoever that I know better than anyone...However, I have to believe a few teams will see it my way...And it's not like NFL teams are all that great at scouting QB's anyway unless things are glaringly obvious (ie. The Mannings, Luck, Stafford etc...)...The top 3rd of NFL QB's in 2016 included a 6th Rd pick as the best...maybe of all time, two 4th round picks, two 2nd round picks, and a 3rd round pick...So... With Mahomes it all depends on what teams are looking for and the size of their you-know-whats... The thing is, I like some of the other QB's in this Draft too...Especially Trubisky and Watson...So when I say i like Mahomes best of them I really do think that's saying something...This is not 2013 no matter what ill informed folks like John Clayton say...EJ Manuel would be hard pressed to be the 6th or 7th QB taken if he came out this year...This is a decent, albeit not outstanding, class of QB's...IMHO Mahomes floor is just about where the others are, while his ceiling is elite...And I'm more than willing to swing for the fences on a kid like him...Because if he works out it's not a single or a double...It's a 3 run Home Run...

Exactly... IMHO what is going on with Mahomes by some folks is not all that different (in a general way) than what happened with A Rodgers, Carr, and Russell Wilson...Over-analysis promoting paralysis... I just don't believe in micro-scouting QB's...When you have the God given talent Mahomes has it's the intangibles that are going to matter a hell of a lot more than the footwork...And his footwork will improve once he gets about 100 million reps as a Pro anyway... What I see when I watch Mahomes is a guy with tremendous confidence and swagger who can sling it...He has elite arm talent and he's not a dummy...Is he perfect? Hell no...Who is? But the comparisons to Cutler make me laugh a bit...Mahomes is more cerebral...I'll just leave it at that...He's football smart and he's confident...But I don't see him as an overly cocky or disrespectful kid...He just knows he's real good and he works hard at it... What I really, really, love when I watch Mahomes is that his head is constantly up and his disregard for, along with his ability to avoid, the pass rush and pressure is...IMHO...incredible...It's elite...It's better than most NFL QB's already...And when I'm studying QB prospects that is the #1 thing I look at assuming the kid already has the necessary boxes checked (arm strength, accuracy, ability to read Defenses and work through progressions, field leadership, etc)...Can the QB keep his eyes down field while moving to create more time?...Or...Do they see the rush and just pull it down to run?...Or worse yet do they flat out panic?...I've seen fear of pass rush and eyes dropping kill plenty of good QB prospects over the years...Including a few right here in Buffalo...I think it's a HUGE factor, and Mahomes is SO good in this area...He was only sacked on 4.6% of his passing attempts (that same % would put him at #11 overall in NFL history) over the past two years at Tech...And that's while facing Defenses that were pretty much assuming Pass on most downs... So...considering there is absolutely no such thing as a 100% sure fire QB prospect anyway, I think taking a chance on a QB with the total package Mahomes brings to the table is literally a no-brainer...It's ALWAYS a risk to take a QB...Always...But with Mahomes the reward could be outstanding...

Nervous? No...

I've always preferred the red over the white and I'll never change my mind...

I don't think Williams is as good as either Jeffrey or Evans coming out...And those two were my favorite players in their respective Drafts...I'm the one that would have Drafted Jeffrey at #10 overall (over Gilmore), and Evans instead of Watkins (though I loved Sammy too)...So I feel like I have a good gauge on this comparison... I like Williams and I'm OK with the Bills Drafting him (though I think #10 is too high and I do not see much logic in using a top 10 pick on a #2 WR)...But he's not on the level of Jeffrey and Evans as the complete package coming out IMHO...Williams has areas of strength that are REAL strong, but the rest is a mixed bag...I agree Williams will be a good Red Zone target, and his ability on 50/50 balls is undeniable... I'm not really anti-Williams...But I do like Corey Davis more...And I'm pretty much anti-WR or TE at #10 for the Bills...I'd MUCH rather have Reuben Foster and JuJu...or Hooker and Zay Jones than a WR at #10 and what you can get elsewhere in the 2nd...But that may be just me...

In a half a heartbeat...Then I'd take Mahomes at #20...

Yep...

Liked him coming out...Especially vs the run...He's not a bender, he's definitely not a natural pass rush-kind of DE, and he's not huge...But, in College at least, he was pretty tough at the point of attack and if he got his mitts on you it was over...And he's not a bad athlete at all...Just a little stiff... This is a good pick-up if he's healthy...The type of guy that could easily slide into the #3 DE role if all goes right...And that's definitely a need on this team right now...

Josh Reynolds

There are a ton of folks who get paid to evaluate players for a living who believe Kaep is all but done...His best season for completion % was 2012 where he "capped out" at 62.4%...He's a career 59.8% passer... He's not good enough...He's a vet so it's more money than developing a young QB...There are more than a few FO's who would not touch him due to the political stuff... He may be done in the NFL...Maybe not...But if he was a better, smarter, player he'd be signed already...

Agreed...But we still need a Safety...Maybe two for depth...We also need at least two more CB's IMHO...I think the difference between S and CB right now is Hyde and Poyer > Darby and Seymour... Both a still big needs...