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You are a MORON!!! Jauron is an awful coach. We have not beaten a good team since he took over as head coach. I don't care if the players like him. They certainly don't play very hard for him. I want a coach who the players respect and fear. I very much doubt that the Giant players love Tom Coughlin, but they sure play hard for him. The same goes for Belichek. The head coach is our leader. Do you think Jauron acts like a leader? The guy can't even throw a challenge flag for god's sake. His schemes don't work, and his motivational skills are worse than his schemes. We lost handily to our three division rivals. That is unacceptable. Jauron does not hold the players accountable for poor play. Mediocrity has been accepted in the Bills organization for too long. It all starts with the head coach.

I totally agree with your analysis of last nights game. The biggest differences I noticed between Pats-Jets and us is their D lines vs. ours. No comparison. Their D lines are much more dominant than ours. They just have a lot better players than us at D line. And their O lines are just more physical. I am very puzzled as to why our O line is so passive. Football is a mean and nasty sport. I just don't see that in our O line. Maybe Butler can bring that to it. Our guys just do not play nasty. Peters, Dockery, Preston, Fowler, Walker. All way too passive. O line is attitude. Just don't see it. Love the play of Dustin Keller. He reminds me of a young Tony Gonzalez, though not as big. Very fluid in finding open area to catch ball, and can run. We have noone like that on the roster. Though maybe Derek Fine can make some plays if used enough. I agree, we need better players. We have been too satisfied bringing in second tier guys who are not great athletes. I.e. Robert Royal, Dockery, Tripplet, Spencer Johnson. Even Marcus Stroud-who I thinks best days are behind him. The personnel dept. has to get better. Bringing in Faneca and Jenkins was huge for the Jets. We need a lot more difference makers which we do not have right now. Guys like Ellison, Kelsay, Denny, Royal, the entire O line have no upside. Why do we still only have one quality receiver? And our rookies need to start producing. We need some major changes in the offseason. I sincerely hope Brandon understands that.

This weeks Browns game means everything for the season. We have to regain the momentum. To make the playoffs, I think we seriously have to win 6 out of our last 7 since we are already 0-3 in the division. I was fuming over last weeks loss. But that is in the past now. Time to look forward to Monday night. If the team really wants to show it is on the upswing, it has to start with this weeks game. Everyone on the roster has to come ready to play, because if not the Browns will beat us. Trent has to step up and play with CONFIDENCE!! Watching the Pats-Jets game last night, two things stood out. Both teams have much better D lines than we do. There guys make a lot of plays and are constantly causing havoc. We are getting nothing from our D line. They have to get back to playing like they did against Seattle. Stroud has to make more than two plays a game. He has to dominate, and get the guys around him to play better. Where are his leadership skills? And Favre was so confident and solid last nite. The whole team fed off of him. He made every play he had to make. We need that from Trent, like he was against Oakland in the 4th qtr. He has the tools, but he has to have the moxie to make plays and lead. It all starts Monday. Our season is in the balance. In fact I think the Jauron era should hang in the balance on this game as well. What are everyone elses thoughts on this?

Everything you said is true. There are never holes up the middle for our backs to run thru. But more telling is why are guys like Fowler, Preston, Whittle and Chambers are playing or even on the roster for that matter? (Chambers may not be too bad as a backup tackle, but was not an anchor at right guard) They would not play for just about any other team in the league. Is our O line coaching so bad, or do these guys have absolutely no talent? It is ridiculous how everyone is constantly saying that we are very weak at center and right guard, but we have done nothing to fix it. In free agency Casey Weigman who played center for many years for the Chiefs was available. Did we even try to sign him? Instead he is starting for the Broncos. They may not have any defense, but they can score points in bunches. The talent level at certain positions on our team is horrifyingly low. C, RG, TE, 3rd and 4th WR, DE, 2nd DT, OLB, LG-thats right Dockery sucks. The other positions are average except for RB, Lee Evans. Our front seven is garbage. Our secondary could be decent if coached up a bit. Friends the only players that are studs or have potential to be studs are Evans, Lynch, F. Jackson,and our P and K. (Maybe TE if he gains a lot of confidence and strut ala Jimbo.) With such a mediocre to poor roster, you need unbelievable coaching to succeed and we obviously do not have it.

Heels, totally agree. This team brings absolutely nothing to the table. Why is our QB always confused? The same happened with JP. Why can't we come up with a gameplan that our team can work with? We do not attack the other team. Where are the reverses, flee flickers, any gadget plays. How about a deep pass? How about a tight end screen? How about a screen to a running back? We did none of that. We throw out patterns and 5 yard curl patterns. Our offense and defense are the most basic in the NFL. We never disguise our blitzes or our coverages. Have we ever blitzed from outside the DE? Why not overload the rush from one side. Other teams do this. This team runs offense and defense like a high school team. This is the same O and D from last year. Nothing has changed. The gameplan has to change from week to week depending on who the opponent is. We have oversimplified things to the point where the other team does not have to gameplan against us. We certainly do not have the talent to beat teams with a basic O and D. Jauron has taken this team, and made it as soft as any in the NFL. Guys come to the Bills and become soft. Or are they soft before they get to us? Either way, someone on the team other than the fans has to get mad. This kind of play and attitude would NEVER have happened when Jim Kelly was in charge.

Junior, if this is what you consider to be a strong team, than one your expectations are pitifully low, and two you have not watched enough football in your short life to have any clue as to what a talented, tough, well coached football team is. We played our three division rivals on successive weeks and had no chance to win any of the three games. And by the way, Kawika and Marcus have had minimal impact on our fortunes this year. Marcus played big against the Seahawks, and Kawika played big against the Chargers. And by the way your boy Donte drafted with the 8th pick of the 2006 draft has how many picks in his illustrious career? I love the Bills more than anything but my three kids. I have missed ONE game since the 1988 season. I think I can say that I know football and the Bills as well as anyone on this board. Today was downright painful. Take off the rose colored glasses and learn the game, study the game before making such ridiculous banter. Thanks and have a good day at high school tomorrow.

We never got the ball back against the Jets until we were down by 9. When I say we did not have a chance to win in the 4th qtr, I mean that we did not have the ball with a chance to win late in the game. Sure we were only down 23-17, but we were not on offense. Same against the Fish. When we got the ball late we were down by two scores.

This is the best post I have read in ages on here. I totally agree. Our coaches have no confidence that we can dominate anyone. Not to go for a first down on 4th and 3 before the half was just ridiculous. Weren't we on the 39 yard line? We can tie the game on that possession and we gave up the ball. And wasted a timeout instead of punting with time left on the play clock. This is terrible coaching staff, that I believe has lost the heart and soul of its players!!! Jeff Fisher is tremendous. He knows what he wants from every player on the roster, and expects nothing less. Jauron has no verve going with the players to squeeze everything they have out of them. Why isn't Steve Johnson playing? The guy has talent and hasn't gotten a chance. Where was Derek Fine today? It is absurd. Our offense is as bad as last years. We have no game plan to attack any team. On 2nd and goal and third and goal, why didn't we throw to James Hardy? Why did we even draft James Hardy if we don't and won't throw to him? Why does Chris Ellis look like he has no idea how to pass rush? Than again, why does Chris Kelsay look the same in his sixth year in the league?

Dude, I am almost 2 and a half times your age and have been watching the Bills since 1976. This team we have in 2008 has absolutely no heart, poor coaching and zero toughness outside of Marshawn Lynch. The NFL is a tough guy league and we have very few tough guys who want to hurt people on the field. Our management is awful and our coaching staff is worse. We have brought in noone over the past decade that has made a difference in helping us WIN games. Look at our QB's since Doug Flutie. RJ, Drew, Holcomb, JP and TE. They have all SUCKED, and TE right now is heading there. Watch the lack of intensity on our team, and compare it to almost every other team around the league. We just do not come to play week after week. I am so fed up, I want to scream and cry at the same time. I watch every game with my nine year old son. He doesn't think we will win another game this year. He has never seen us go to the playoffs. You all think we are just going to wipe the Browns, Chiefs and 49ers. While these teams are not great by any means, they are laying it on the line every week. We just look scared and look like we don't care. TE has taken on the same role as JP. Never gets fired up. Never is talking with his teammates. There is just a big disconnect on this team between players and coaches, players and players. WE ARE GOING THRU THE MOTIONS. Guys like Marcus Stroud come to our team, and make minimal impact. Other guys like Keith Ellison and John McCargo make absolutely zero impact. Our best receiver had 2 catches today. When was the last time he stepped up in a big game? It doesn't happen, and it never happens. Get some reality Junior. Things will only change when we clean the front office and coaching staff and bring in some hard nosed tough guys who can identify talented players and than coach them up.

Why didn't Jauron run on the field and throw the challenge flag near where the play took place? He blew that. It is the coaches responsibility to do whatever it takes to throw the flag. He did nothing to get the refs attention. The man is a dead coach. No emotion in a very emotional type game. The refs did not cost us this game. The Simpson penalty was terrible, but it was on the first series of the game. We stink. We have played three division opponents and had no chance to win any of the games in the 4th qtr. That is pathetic, and should get our entire coaching staff fired except for Bobby April.

I think Marshawn is tremendous. Our line almost never makes a hole for him. We get absolutely no push off of the ball. And to run the ball well you have to be able to mix in a real passing game. We have stopped trying to throw the ball down the field. Our offense has changed minimally if any since last season. I see no crossing patterns 15-20 yards down the field, no seam routes. We have not thrown deep in weeks. There is no room to run when the defense continually puts 8 men in the box. I feel bad for ML. He is a great talent that is being wasted behind just an atrocious O line-probably the worst in the league at run blocking, a very nervous QB, very mediocre receivers and an abysmal coaching staff.

I agree. This team has no edge, and brought nothing to the table today. TE played scared, and the coaching staff coached scared as well. To not throw the ball at least once in goal to go in the first half was just plain stupid. If you are going to run from the 3, than at least do it from the spread with 4 wides in the game. It looks like Turk Schonert is no better at play calling than Fairchild was. We have talented skill players but do not use them correctly. We threw down the field zero times today. On defense our d line gets absolutely no pressure on the QB. This team has not improved whatsoever from day one under Dick. We bring in new players and absolutely nothing changes. The team had no chance to win any of the games against our divisonal rivals. I think we played them tougher in the 3-13 year of 2001.

I sure hope not. The man is one of the few guys on our defense who has legitimate talent. He is probably a restricted free agent after this season, unless he initially signed a 4 yr. deal. I hope we lock him and Greer up longterm. Than it is time to redo the front seven, heaven help us.

General, I agree about Jauron. I think he is a lousy coach as well. What has he done to make us a contender? Absolutely nothing. Besides the fact that his gameplans never change, and he challenges plays that he has no business challenging, and he never has our team in a mindset of attacking the opponent, the worst flaw in my opinion is that the standards he has set for the players are frighteningly low. Listen to a lot of the players talk, and they think they are playing well. I.E. Jason Peters. And there is an article in today's Rochester D & C where Marcus Stroud says the same thing, that he feels he is playing well. Kyle Williams and Chris Kelsay chime in with quotes that tacitly agree. (sorry I am not adept at putting a link on here) Jauron has not made the players ACCOUNTABLE for their very marginal play. There is NO STANDARD OF EXCELLENCE under Jauron. It is as simple as that. In our three losses, we have played terrible. If our coach will not call players out, and DEMAND a certain level of play, the players we have certainly are not and have not taken it upon themselves to do so. The Bills are deluding themselves if they think they can win with this mindset. It starts at the top. If things don't turn around shortly, changes should definitely be made. Does Russ Brandon and Ralph have the kahones to do what it takes to make this team a winner? It remains to be seen. Keeping guys around like Jason Peters just ruin the fabric of a team. The guy holds out for the entire offseason, comes in the day before the opener, and not a negative word is said. I believe his actions, and subsequent poor play have sunk the O line. Yet he was welcomed back with open arms. Where was his dedication to winning?

You can't be happy with 5-3 when in the three losses we had no chance to win at the end of the game. And two of the losses are in our division. I don't know if Miami and the Jets are clearly better than us. But they are both more physical on the O and D lines. We can not run the ball, and we can not rush the passer. To win consistently in the NFL you need to be physical. Look at Pittsburg and Tennessee. We scored ONE offensive touchdown in both our divisional games. That is so unacceptable. This game against the Pats is huge. If we go to 0-3 in the division, it will be very difficult to win the division. Watch how we come out against NE. Are we physical at the line of scrimmage? Do we blitz the hell out of Cassell? (He is decent, but doesn't read the field like Brady. He will eat us up if he has time.) I think this is a watershed game for the Jauron regime. We HAVE to come out and dictate the game. If we get pasted by an above average Pats team, (not a great team) I think it is time to look for a new coach. If we can't start running the ball, and rushing the passer, I see another 7-9 team. Several more losses and Dick will lose the team.

We can not afford to let Jabari Greer go. There is no evidence that McKelvin will ever develop into a top flight corner. You just can not let very good players walk. Our defensive collapse dates back to letting Antoine Winfield and Pat Williams go. We are always filling holes, and never moving forward. This organization has just been a disgrace this decade with its talent evaluations. If McKelvin turns into a player, you can have him, McGee, Greer and Yabouty as your top 4 corners. I actually think Terrence was best when playing the nickel slot in his first couple of years in the league. But looking at how poorly both our lines are playing, there are several holes to fill in the offseason. Another center, guard, and at least won DT and DE. And probably another WR, and a second TE to replace Royal. Good god, when will it end where we actually have very good players at most positions????

As a high number one pick, McKelvin should have been contributing from day 1. But the problem is that he played against marginal competition in college. Troy is not the SEC. I think we way overvalued McKelvin just like we way over valued Donte Whitner. Taking Whitner at #8 was a terrible decision. He is far too small to be a major impact player at Safety. He is a good football player, don't get me wrong, but is certainly not a gamechanger. He has the ability of a late 2nd round pick at best. Granted this is hindsite, but taking a 5'9" safety with the 8th pick in the draft makes no sense. My god, I believe even Bob Sanders who is much more physical than Whitner was taken late in the 2nd round. And McCargo was a complete bust. So there are two 1st round wasted picks. McKelvin doesn't look like he has any instincts at CB or KR at this point. Being drafted at #11, he should have had a strong understanding of the game from the first day of camp. As for Hardy and Ellis, they look completely overwhelmed by the pro game. Who is running the scouting dept. on this team. Makes you wonder is it the coaching or the scouting that is leaving our draft picks way behind? Derek Fine did look good yesterday, so lets give Kudos for that pick. Can we please draft some O lineman high next year. PLEASE!!

I totally agree. Our O line is just terrible. They have no attitude whatsoever. The O line is supposed to set the tone for your offense. Ours just doesn't seem to care. When was the last time any of them just pancaked guys out of the way for our runners? Jason Peters is so overrated, it is ridiculous. And Dockery is just soft. For my money we can get rid of Peters, Dockery, Fowler and all of our right guards. Play Chambers and Walker at the tackles and bring in three tough guys, doesn't have to be studs in the middle and maybe we can move some defenders off of the line of scrimmage. (Thats right, I think Chambers will play much harder than Peters) Where is the emotion? For a team that is in a dogfight to win the division, there was no sense of urgency out there.

Unfortunately, the bottom line is that the Bills are the least physical team in our division. We can not run the ball and we can not rush the passer. Trent was certainly not perfect today, but with no running game and only ONE legitimate wide receiver, he does not have much to work with. Our pass rush has been NON EXISTENT for most of the season. And in the 4th qtr. after making it a six point game, we let the Jets pretty much run out the rest of the clock. That is totally inexcusable. Do most of you kind of feel like we really are not much better than last years team? We have not beaten a team that has been playing good football all season. Seahawks, Jags, and Chargers look pretty poor, and we barely beat a bad Raiders team, and the Rams were at the end of their rope as well. If we can't start running the football, we are a 8-8 team at best.

I agree this game is huge. We still have a lot to prove to the rest of the NFL IMO. We are 5-2, but have not dominated anyone since the opening game. (We did play very well against San Diego though) Also, in our two losses, we looked horrible on defense, and our offense turned the ball over too much. The Jets are a decent team, but not great by any means. They almost lost to a horrible Chiefs team, but that is the NFL this year. Playoff caliber teams win their home divisional games hands down. I think the Bills will come out with a very strong effort. With TE we have a large upside on offense. Our defense worries me some. We look far from dominant, especially in the front seven. How can you get to the playoffs without any semblance of a pass rush from your front four is the big question? I think Kawika Mitchell could be our best pass rusher.

totally agree about the O line. There is definitely a lack of meanness from that group. They just don't seem to play with any nastiness and purpose. Peters and Dockery play very soft for such big guys. Walker has been the best of the bunch all season both in pass blocking and run blocking. I honestly think that Duke Preston has played very well for us. That is a problem when he is your team's second best lineman. The D line is very average at best. Stroud has not been a gamechanger of late. He is not getting much push up the middle. I think the biggest problem is that McCargo has just not developed. He is slow and lazy. Has no motor. The Bills have too high of an opinion of their D lineman. None, including Schobel are better than average. The two best teams in the league this year are the Giants and the Titans. The difference right now between them and us is both their lines. They are both just more solid across the D and O lines. Tennessee has a bunch of no names on their O line, but they can play. G men have a GREAT O line. Just a lot more toughness. And on the D lines forget about it. None of our guys could play for them other than Stroud. Finally, unless Peters really steps it up quickly, I don't think the Bills should give him a mega extension. The guy just plays lazy. He is OVERRATED!!

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5. If Trent stays healthy, we are looking at a 12-4 season. He is that good. 4. Kawika played a monster 4th quarter. The reason this team is playing so well is that every week someone else is having a monster game for us. We have a lot of players who can have monster games. The talent level on this roster has greatly increased. No reason we can't be 7-1 when we go into New England.

We need to win the San Diego game, it's as simple as that. If Trent can practice by Wednesday, looks effective, and is processing the offense, and says he is feeling good, than he has to play, put caution to the wind. JP has never beaten a good team in his career home or away, unless you want to count the Bengals at home two years ago. Sure he will hit a few passes downfield, but the game will probably be close going into the second half. And rest assured there will be at least half a dozen plays where he holds onto the ball way too long and takes an unnecessary sack, or misses a wide open guy in the flat because he has NO accuracy on his short passes. I absolutely dread him playing next Sunday. But if he does, the O line will have to step up bigtime. And honestly, I don't think they have the talent to do so. Edwards can win w/o a great O line because he is much more decisive, gets rid of the ball quickly and has tremendous accuracy. What worries me on defense is that we have no answer for covering Antonio Gates. Whitner is too small, and was eaten up by Gates two years ago. Heck, Whitner got eaten up by John Carlson the Seahawks rookie tight end in the opening game. Did anyone else see that? Probably went unnoticed because of the score. He is too short to come tight ends down the field. We need Ko Simpson back to cover Gates. And there wideouts are big also, especially Vincent Jackson. To win, we are going to need a huge pass rush, and whoever plays QB will have to light it up. Both of our lines will have to be strong. I think we learn a lot about this team next Sunday.

It doesn't really matter what scheme we are playing on defense, Cover 2, Bears 46-Greg Williams favorite, Zone, Man to Man, 34, or 43. You need the horses up front to run any defense successfully. An our D line is still average at best. We dominated against Seattle, but since than the pass rush has been sporadic to garbage. Stroud has been DECENT against the run, but has not consistently dominated since the Seattle game. Kyle Williams goes full speed on every play, but is not a stud-sort of in the Kelly Gregg, Sam Rayburn mold. Spencer Johnson has made a few plays, but is not dominant at all. And our fourth DT McCargo has done nothing when allowed on the field. Our ends are the same. Copeland Bryan is way too small. (Why is he on the team?) Ryan Denny seems to play better inside, has a high motor, but is not a difference maker, Schobel is overrated and just dissappears way too much. Kelsay I think has been our best D lineman against the run and can really move, gives everything on every play, but is not a freak athletically. There you have it. A mediocre to decent D line on a GREAT day, but nowhere near good enough to lead our team to dominate against any team with an above average offense. By far the best athletes on our defense with the most upside are POZ, Whitner, Simpson and Yabouty. Hopefully McKelvin gets there soon. Kawika can play strong at times, and Mcghee is good when healthy, but other than Poz who looks like a real stud in the front seven? Our team's strength is its special teams and offensive weapons. Lynch, Fred Jackson and Evans are studs. Hardy will be excellent and Parrish and Reed are very good NFL players. Obviously, the key to our team is Trent Edwards. IF he can get and stay healthy, we are a VERY GOOD team. He is already a top ten QB is this league. Eventually, he will be top five. (Thats right I said it) As bad as our D played, if Trent does not go down early on Sunday, we still would have had a chance to win in the fourth quarter. He is that good. But the O line which seems to have regressed from last year has to get better. Fowler and Butler are NOT NFL caliber players, it is as simple as that. And Peters and Walker have just not played very well so far. I see a much more determined team in 12 days against San Diego. The Bills know that they are not good enough to just show up and win. But pray big time that JP is not playing. He still does not have what it takes to consistently make plays for an entire NFL game to beat a decent opponent.