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Why don't you like the Peters trade? Did you watch him play last year. He did not give a sh-t about the team.. He as much admitted it in his press conference today in Philly. Do you really believe all the hype and think he is that great a player? He was sieve on the left side last year, simple as that. It is just a shame for all the fans of this beloved team to rip the FO for getting rid of a guy who did not want to play for us, and was at best mediocre last year. For the love of god, why on earth would the Bills give Peters a 4 year $53 million extension when he stayed away all last offseason and than played horribly the entire season? Get a clue, PLEASE!!! There are other huge men in this country who can play LT in the NFL, and will also agree to be part of the team. As for Roscoe, he is a punt returner. He makes a few big plays every year. He is not worth $3 million/year. He is a TERRIBLE receiver. And when he does catch the ball he gets brought down almost immediately everytime. Lets see what we can get for him, before jumping off of a bridge!!! I count five if not six receivers on our roster right now I would rather have playing than Roscoe. We have not won with either Roscoe or Peters. Change is not always bad fellas. Enjoy it. We didn't win with these guys. Lets keep changing it up until we find some winning combinations. Besides it sure makes the offseason a whole lot more interesting.

You are one negative dude, let me tell you. I have found you to be one of the more intelligent writers on this message board. However, you have said absolutely nothing positive about the team since the end of the season. Are you just so bitter that you can not find any hope in anything the team has done since the end of the offseason? To me that is just pathetic. I honestly believe that Brandon is trying everything in his power to turn this team around. As a fan you need to have hope. Think about it. Try and find something positive, or go root for another team. The best thing about being a fan is having hope that it will always get better. Otherwise, don't even bother. Have you ever even liked the Bills?

Hey CFL, were you watching the right league last year buddy? Peters was absolutely dreadful last year. He was fat, slow and LAZY. It is hard to see how good he is, because he hasn't been very good. How often did Peters and Dockery obliterate the right side of any D Line? It just did not happen with any sort of regularity. For whatever reason, people get on someones bandwagon and make them out to be the best player at their position. The media put a player on a pedistal and before you know it Peters is Anthony Munoz. The whole thing became a big joke. What has Jason Peters done to make so many of you think he was the Bills savior? I just don't see it, and I have watched a lot of football over my lifetime. I just see Joey Porter going around him like he either didn't care, or just plain old SUCKED!! A new era is coming. Get on board because it is about to get a whole lot better.

Harami, your knowledge of our team and its players is terrible. Have you watched us play the past few years? Dockery, Preston, Fowler, Royal and Losman all sucked bigtime. None of them were legitimate NFL starters. And Crowell is coming off a bad knee injury. We were going nowhere with the roster we had. And Jason Peters is all a lot of hype in my mind. Where did everyone get the idea that he is so darn good? Because he used to be a TE in college and blocked a punt against Cincinnati in his rookie year. Give me a break. I am actually very excited to get rid of Peters, because the guy did not want to play for the Bills, is not a tough guy, and is injury prone. I believe we will make a few more trades and acquisitions leading up to the draft. I think this big makeover is going to surprise a lot of people come September. I am keeping the faith, and you can keep Preston, Royal, Dockery and Fowler!!

Maybe this has already been mentioned earlier in this thread, but I did not read the entire thing. My take on bringing in Rhodes is that it is an excellent move. Rhodes is a solid NFL player who has played for one of the best teams in the league for most of his NFL career. He comes from a winning organization. We NEED as many winners as possible on this team. The more good veterans we have who KNOW what it takes to win in this league, the better this team will be. The talent level on the Bills has not been good enough for so many years. This just increases our talent level. At this point in their careers, I would put Rhodes at least two notches above a beaten up Fred Taylor.

Do you ever have anything useful or even remotely intuitive to say? All I ever hear from your posts is negative garbage. I don't know much about Oher, but the fact that he is even mentioned as a first rounder in the top half of the draft by some is enough for me not to rip him a new one. Did you watch all his games over the past 3 or 4 years to make such an assessment? Unless you have watched most of his games, go back in your cave dude. Because you are the only person I have heard say only negative things about him. Did he sleep with your wife or something?

Peters is overrated. So he made the probowl, big effing deal. If anyone watched Peters play at all last season they saw a slow, fat disinterested player who let us down bigtime last year. Why on earth would the Bills want to pay a guy who does not bring it game in and game out, who has held out and has not given any type of commitment to the team 10 plus million/year? It is never going to happen. We have not won with the guy, maybe we will have far more continuity without him. Because it is the Bills FO, they are automatically in the wrong. Get over it. Peters is never going to play another down for the Bills. Why do you think any other team would pay a guy who held out all offseason $10 mill/year with at least 2 years left on his contract. You do that in Pittsburg or New England, you are GONE. No questions asked. The Steelers let Alan Faneca walk, and he has had a much more productive career than Peters. Look at NE with Deion Branch, and many other guys. I think the Bills are playing this perfectly. The hate for the Bills front office is just god awful ridiculous.

I agree with you San Jose. The Peters, Jackson and Parrish situations are very big as far as how Brandon acquits himself in bettering our talent level, stabilizing things on the team this offseason, and making us more competitive. I think we will have to trade Peters. His attitude, and absurd contract demands are not conducive to a positive team first attitude, nor do I think the Bills want to pay a stratospheric contract to a player who is not nearly as good as he and his agent want to believe he is. And I believe Brandon while not a long time football guru understands that. I believe a reasonable deal with Jackson will be reached in the near future, and that Parrish is an asset that we have, that we don't need. Some of you can say that there is no reason to give up the best punt returner in the game. I say we have at least 2 other guys (Mckelvin and Jackson) who are almost as good. If we can get at least a 3rd round pick and/or a solid player at a position of need for him, Brandon will make the trade. I am excited to see what Russ has up his sleeve. I think he is worlds better than Mr. Comatose Marv Levy.

That is a very stupid statement. What makes you think that Bell and Chambers are going to be bad? I guarantee you that either one of them plays better than Dockery did at LG. And the way Peters played last year, most anyone we bring in to play LT will be an upgrade as well. Just because Bell is not a stud 1st round pick does not mean he is going to SUCK. Why don't you wait and watch what Bell and/or Chambers do before annointing them as failures? Don't try and make excuses for Edwards because of a mediocre O line. No QB in the NFL gets loads of time to throw and get comfortable game in and game out. Being a top QB is being able to make plays while under pressure. Don't forget that the guys on D are paid just like the offensive players are.

For the love of god, it just makes me sick how much love there is on this board for Jason Peters. Why do all you supporters of him think he is so GREAT? What on earth has he done to make you feel so warm and fuzzy about him? Our offense has been horrible every year he has started on the O line. Is it all his fault? Of course not. Did he contribute to that? Yes he did. His play was AWFUL last year-game in and game out. Is he worth more than his current contract? Probably. Is he worth close to 10 million/year? NO WAY. He is not a LEADER on this team. His holdup cost the team bigtime last year and they know it. Most of you have this view of the Bills FO as being totally incompetent. And our record over this decade has not been good. But signing Jason Peters to a new contract will not make or break this team, period. The guy is not tough, and does not dominate on every play. And he is not a team player. Why do we want to pay someone like that so much money? I am sure all things being equal the Bills would like to keep Peters at a reasonable cost. But given his erratic play, his difficult agent, his unreasonable salary demands, and his unwillingness to be part of the team, I think the Bills will trade him for the best deal they can get. Does that mean it is a bad move on their part? NO WAY!!! There are other guys on this team and in the draft who can play O line fairly well I am sure. And they will be with the team the entire offseason. Building continuity is everything on the O line. Peters is gone. Lets hope for the best deal and stop this talk about making new holes to fill. The way this offense has not performed, everyone save our two RB's should be available to move if the price is right. Would anyone be upset if we got rid of the entire O line from last year, our QB, TE's and all of last year's receivers other than Lee? I didn't think so. So spare us all the rhetoric about how Peters is so good. There is absolutely nothing to support that giving him a ridiculous extension's positives outweigh the negatives.

I take Cushing or Crabtree. Sure we have receivers, but Crabtree is a stud who was head and shoulders above anyone else in college at his position. He will be the next Larry Fitzgerald. If he is gone, which I think is a strong possibility, I take Cushing. The guy plays lights out on every single play. He is a football player. Put him with Poz and Mitchell and we have a Very SOLID linebacking corp. I am not crazy about rookie DE's because the Olineman they are going up against in the pros are just so much more physical than at the college level. Guys AWAY from the line of scrimmage have more room to roam, and will have much more opportunities to make an impact. Don't draft guys from Texas. They are mentally soft, and have not fared well in the pros. Mack Brown just cuddles the hell out of his players.

I definitely agree. If we can't get an extension agreed to in the next two weeks, than we need to start shopping Peters because whoever we are going to trade him to will need time to sign him to an extension as well. Noone will want to trade for him in a matter of 5 minutes while we are on the clock because that team will also have no idea whether they will be able to sign him to a deal that will keep him from holding out. The team can not keep him past the draft without getting an extension done now. It would be totally irresponsible of the front office to not put our team in the best position to fill Peters spot in the draft if we can not sign him longterm. We have to move on now one way or another.

Chicago gave up way way too much for Cutler, (and I happen to think he is a very good QB). The Bears problem is that they have next to nothing at wide receiver. Last year they played Devin Hester, Brandon Lloyd and Mr. Dropsy Marty Booker as their top three as I recall. Not quite Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal and Tony Scheffler. Also, the Bears have a mediocre O line-nothing special. I don't see Cutler lighting it up until they bring in some real solid receivers. That Chicago agreed to the Broncos asking price is very surprising bordering on sheer stupidity. But it sure makes for some exciting talk. We need some big football news right now. Draft is still three weeks away and the Sabres are done. When can we trade Jason Peters? If we can get a first and possibly a third or a fourth for FAT BUTT and also trade down from 11, picking up another second in the process, we will be sitting pretty come draft day. Lets go front office, start thinking like us fans who know a thing or two about the NFL. Yeah Baby, the draft is coming!!!

Dude, I am so over yours and everyone elses man love for Jason Peters on this board. He is a deterrent to us winning because he does not want to be a team guy and get his big fat behind into conditioning with the rest of his teammates. He is not that GOOD. He does not dominate. Say goodbye to Jason. The Bills will trade him before the draft. I have never heard such drivel about an O lineman in my life. It is the UNIT that will win or lose. Not one guy. My goodness, on most teams the fans could care less about ONE O lineman. Lets worry about getting better at other positions that need major improving. Anyone we put in at LT will be at least as good if not better than what Peters did not show us last year.

Your view of Peters and his play for us is so distorted like over half the people on this message board. The guy had just an awful year in 2008. He could not block anyone. He plays soft, and has a terrible first step back on pass protection (see Joey Porter and everyone else who went around him) I believe the Bills think he is a good but not spectacular player. He should be offered Jordan Gross money, and not a penny more. This team is not going to live or die with Jason Peters at left tackle. He is not that much of a gamechanger. If he will not accept the Bills best offer before the draft, we need to trade his big butt before we make our first pick. And for anyone who has no clue to the value of players being traded in today's NFL, we will not get BOTH of Philly's first round picks. We should get their higher first round pick and possibly a third or fourth. But noone short of Brady or P. Manning, is getting traded for two first rounders in the same draft. Peters is just not worth the trouble. Continuity on an O line is everything. A line is as good as the SUM of its parts. Not as good as just one player. Try and comprehend it.

Most white cops have no clue how to deal with minorities. It is just a real shame. For the most part I believe racial relations especially amongst blacks and whites are much better than when I was growing up in the 70's and 80's. However, that seems to be more the case amongst somewhat educated white people. A lot of cops are just stupid meatheads who use their badge as an excuse to bully people especially black males. It is too bad that cops get paid so poorly, because if they were paid better, maybe their would be a higher quality cop who had an ounce of common sense. Until than, black athletes will be on the most wanted list of most police departments. All you conservatives on the board can flame away if you like now.

I understand and agree with you about our pass rush needs fixing. However, I totally disagree with you on Tight End being a luxury pick for us. We do not have a TE who is a weapon on our roster. In today's NFL it is a necessity to have a big target that can get down the middle of the field. And we do not have that. Our passing game has SUCKED for god knows how long. A big reason is the lack of a threat at Tight End. Unless we trade for Gonzalez or Scheffler, I am all for drafting Pettigrew somewhere in the first round. (Hopefully with a trade down) The biggest reason we continue to not win consistently is our offense does not scare anybody. Adding TO helps. And than adding the big TE is the finishing piece to a real offense. How many rookie DE's really make that big of an impact right away? Not many. It takes them awhile to learn how to get by the monster OT's that play in the NFL. And don't forget that Hangartner will be a big upgrade at Center.

Don't be a simpleton. What is Jauron supposed to say, that Ellison sucks when he is still on the team? He is not going to show his hand to anyone, nor is he supposed to. I am sure we will still be looking to improve the team throughout the coming months leading up to the season. There is the draft and possible trade possibilities for Peters, and picking up Waters, Scheffler, etc. So use your brain and don't take everything Jauron says so literally. It is called "coach speak" FYI.

We did not release Derick Dockery because he was overpaid, we released him because he sucked. He was as soft an O lineman this side of Mike Williams that you are ever going to find. While Kirk Chambers is no stud, he at least plays tough. The Bills have had too many soft lineman such as Dockery, Fowler and Preston. Guys don't have to be world beaters, they just need to be tough and decently strong at the point of attack.. The Giants O line is not overly athletic, but they are all very TOUGH, and play physical. I believe Hangartner is that type of guy, as is Butler. Walker is not bad, and the rest remains to be seen. I would offer a 5th and Roscoe for Waters. And I would offer Denver a 4th for Scheffler the Tight End. If we can get those two guys without giving up any higher draft picks, the draft would look very sweet in getting at least two studs on defense at linebacker and end, and than using our third pick on a safety or DT. That also presumes that we extend Peters. If we trade him, than we have to use one of the picks from the Peters deal on a new OT. I believe my scenario would cover all our immediate needs. LG, TE, OLB, DE, DT or S. (With Peters trade-new OT and S or DT with the extra pick we would probably receive) THOUGHTS?

I love it Bill. Duke Preston is the perfect symbol of why the Bills have been so mediocre to poor this whole decade. Does he god awful suck? No, not really. But is he good at all? No. Has he shown any upside to becoming a legitimate starter in the NFL? NO. The guy has been marginal his entire career with the Bills, and we have played way too many marginal guys for too many years. We should let him walk and find someone who is at least DECENT, and has upside to be very good. Too many Buffalo Bills have low ceilings when it comes to talent. That culture needs to change. Say goodbye to the Duke. (And thanks for getting in that fight at the end of the first half against the Pats-brilliant move)

Have you watched Fred Jackson return punts and kickoffs? EVERY TIME he touches the ball he makes people miss and gets a sizable return. I suggest you open your eyes when we are receiving a punt or kickoff. He definitely can make things happen on a regular basis. We should be able to get a third for Roscoe.

Rolle has been terrible the past few years. He was good earlier in his career with the Titans, but has been playing all on reputation the past few. Not a good tackler either. Our five top corners will be better than him this year.

Can LeCharles Bentley even walk let alone run and play football anymore? His name is still very cool though.

Bill, you have so bought the kool aid on Jason Peters. He is an above average OT, and nothing more. Yet he has a terrible attitude and doesn't play with any type of mean streak. You really think he should be the highest or near the highest paid O lineman in the league. Please give it a rest and rethink your position. In the long run the Bills will be much better off trading his big fat ass. Do you really think we would lose much having Langston Walker, Chambers, or Bell play there? I don't. One player will not make or break this team, trust me on that.

I agree. I will keep saying this until the cows come home, as I have been saying since last year. The guy is just not that good. Why do so many of you on this board think he is GREAT? He is not great. Does it make everyone feel better about the Bills that we can say we have a top player at a position? Even though we all know it is not true. I say we trade him for Philly's higher first round pick and their second if possible. If they will not give up a two take their first and third and maybe a fifth. Because lets face it, noone is giving up two first round picks for Peters. That kind of trade is just not done anylonger in the NFL. He is a headache, not a gamechanger. It is time to say goodbye to Jason.