MDH

So the D not being able to get off the field on 3rd downs has nothing to do with the D being worn out by the 4th quarter? It's not a black and white issue. It's a combination of both the O and the D sucking. The entire team in in collapse, to simplify it and blame the O isn't right.

It might not be as bad as everybody makes it out to be. The past 3 weeks the Bills have been in every single game despite playing horribly on both O and D. Just a little improvement with either/both will put them in a position to win games. Granted, I have no faith that we'll see any improvement but it wouldn't take much to get this team on the winning track.

You realize that NO gained their HUGE TOP advantage in the 4th quarter (where they held the ball for 11:17 to the Bills 3:43) when they were trying to control the clock by running the ball. If the D could stop a team that they KNOW is going to run the ball at them and get off the field the TOP wouldn't have been so significant. I'm not absolving the O from their responsibilities (they f'in suck to say the least) I'm just tired of people making excuses for this D.

If you don't care what anybody else says why come to a message board for a discussion? I'll agree that playing D with a lead is easier than playing without one, but a good D gets off the field on third downs, pressures the QB and causes turnovers, with or without a lead. The fact that the O isn't helping things out much doesn't absolve this D from getting it done. We were supposed to lean on this "historic" D this year. Yet somehow, now, when the D isn't holding up you want to come here and convince us that it's the O's fault? Yeah, right.

JP has plenty of pocket awareness. I've seen him sense the rush from the backside and spin out of it on numerous occasions (or try to spin out of it when he should simply throw the ball away). I’ve yet to see him take a shot that he didn’t know was coming. However he isn't pulling the trigger fast enough on passes because he's (not surprisingly) confused. Just saying “he has no field awareness” doesn’t even mean anything. What are you talking about, coverage’s? Pass rush? Where his WRs should be? There’s only one of those things that can’t be taught, pocket awareness, and (as I’ve stated) he most definitely has that.

You can't even begin to compare what Alex Smith did last night to what he'd face if he started. He was put in with his team behind by three scores and faced a D that was in prevent mode, giving him the short stuff. The one time they blitzed he was eaten alive by it and sacked. As for Josh McCown, the guy has struggled in plenty of starts before (and he'll struggle again). You can't just watch a single game (or a half a game as it is) and make a determination. What if the only half of football you've seen JP play this year was the first half of the Houston game?

The Shift key is your friend. As for Holcomb, I disagree. You play the kid all year long. Holcomb isn't the answer in the short term or the long term (unless he can play defense).

You act like the Bills were behind big and didn't have time on the clock to run the ball. They should have been running the ball more, grinding out yards, controlling the clock and keeping the Saints offense off the field. All while moving the ball more consistently than we were doing attempting to throw the ball. I don’t know, moving the ball more consistently while keeping the opposing offense off the field…yeah, that sounds like a bad idea. Let’s keep throwing the ball since that was working so well!

You should just stop now. You look like a fool.

Had we run the ball more there's a pretty good chance the Bills wouldn't have been losing in the 4th quarter...

This D has cumbled in crunch time for years now. It's really nothing new.

Yeah, because if we didn't "waste" the year for JP we'd be putting up all kinds of victories with this stout defense and coaching staff committed to the running game.

Or two QBs that both hold the ball too long = QBs fault...

I've never seen a worse run defense than ASU in the second half of this game. And even after they were racking up 7-10 yards a pop they didn't stack the line to stop the run. They still just had 7 in the box. Not that it would have mattered, they couldn't make a tackle to save their lives.

One has to love the class and empathy you display. Nice job.

I'd have to go with #11 as my favorite. It's so wrong but so damn funny. 11. A car driven by Cherica Adams is traveling down Grand Ave. at 30 miles per hour, and is 1 mile from the intersection of Grand and 2nd Street. Rae Carruth’s contract killer is in a Mercedes, 3 miles away on 2nd street. How fast does the killer have to drive in order to arrive at the intersection in time to shoot Carruth’s girlfriend and her unborn baby?

Three games demonstrates this?

I thought this was amusing: Its kind of strange, in back to back days I read articles/blurbs that mention the Pottsville Maroons. The other one being a Page 2 article about the curse that's on the Arizona Cardinals.

Much of it is coming right up the middle and Teague has been the culprit many a time.

I think ol' Terry would have been eaten alive in today's NFL with the complexities of the Ds

How does your league score? In my league(s) Frerotte is currently the 8th highest (on avg) QB in the league right now at 16 points a game (6pts for every passing or rushing TD, 1 point for every 25 yards thrown and -2 points for every INT). Frerotte isn't going to be a top 10 QB by the end of the year but he's the best thing on your team right now.

Even if the Bills did dominate your team wouldn't do well. There's only 1 ball to go around and McGahee, Moulds, Evans and Losman aren't all going to put up big numbers in the same game.

Why is Carr even on somebody's roster? Is this a 15 team league? Hell, why is Losman on somebody's roster? Why do you have 3 QBs? Carrying any more than 2 is generally a mistake and a waste of a roster spot unless your league specifically says you have to carry 3. As to the question, yeah make the trade, McNair is better than any of the QBs currently on your squad. Also, is theret nobody else out there you can pick up that's better than Losman (Eli or Ferrotte for example).

At least Hogboy was purposely trying to stir things up and be amusing. That's not the case this time.

It doesn't surprise me that you don't even realize WHY what you said was dumb, but that's okay.