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Did you see that back shoulder throw down the sideline that Welker caught on the way to the Broncos scoring their last TD? He pushed off too, yet it's not called. So yeah, while I agree that it was PI they've got to call it both ways. The lack of consistency is troubling.

Two things. It wasn't any more of a disaster than the offense has been this year. Two, I can't imagine that an no-huddle offense would be a disaster with a friggin' rookie running it. The offensive coaching on this team is just offensive.

Nothing close about the Gilmore call. Shoulder to shoulder right as the ball got there. It was a perfect play which I didn't need a replay to see. Ridiculous how these calls always come on critical 3rd down plays.

Ultimately that didn't really matter as they'd likely have scored anyway. The calls that mattered were the two penalties they called on third downs with phantom penalties on Robey and Gillmore and the yardage they took away on INT returns (both of which where the Bills were already in FG range.) Mysteriously CBS never showed a replay of either penalty on returns despite the fact that they took about 90 yards away from the Bills in total.

What made those successful NFL QBs qualified weren't college awards or stats, it was their game. We'll see if Johnny has a game that transitions to the pros. I seriously doubt it. He lacks lots of things that those QBs had - size, maturity, the ability to quickly read Ds and a drive that made football the most important thing in their lives. Johnny puts lots of work in at the local bar and on his twitter account. And hey, he's not going to change for anybody!! Does Peyton even know twitter exists? I'm sure he'll know it once he's retired but right now he's focused on one thing - football. Everybody in the NFL has talent, some have more than others but nobody has sustained success without a lot of hard work. If Johnny puts in that work he has a chance. If he doesn't he has none. Obviously I don't know the kid but from afar he doesn't strike me as a guy who will put in the work. Everything thus far in his life has been handed to him but he's about to know what it is to struggle. How will he respond?

That's not the same as drops. What are his drop numbers? Targets just mean the QB throws him the ball, it doesn't say if the ball was inaccurate, defended or dropped.

Not going to happen. Teams are happy letting Woods catch 10 -15 yard passes that aren't back breaking. The last thing they want is sammy running down the sideline for big plays. That's what scares teams, not possession guys like woods.

Last week vs. Cleveland when they showed the mini highlights of the first half vs. Haden he had separation time and time again. He should have had a long TD if Orton could have hit him deep and he was open quite a bit but Orton simply didn't look his way on those plays. It seems that Orton only goes to Watkins when he's covered but when he's open he looks other places. It's baffling.

I think throwing the ball to Hogan is holding the offense back. Orton loves to go to him on 3rd downs and it seems time and time again Hogan will make the catch but come up short of the conversion. I don't have any data to back this up, it's just something I've noticed on quite a few occasions. It drives me crazy.

You think the Bills will put up 20? Is the D scoring in this scenario? If the O puts up 20 and doesn't turn the ball over it will be a close game late. I think a more likely scenario is the Bills put up 10-13 and the Broncs put up 24. Hopefully the D or ST can score and the Bills can steal the game. Not likely, but not impossible.

The was the brightest point of Hackett's NFL career. Great play call at the perfect time.

Not even close? Not sure how anybody could say that. Has Fitz ever had the red zone issues this Orton led offence has had. As for not forcing things what was that INT by Leonard yesterday?

I think the D holds them to 24 or so if the O doesn't cough up the ball giving the Broncs a short field. The problem is that I don't think there's a chance in hell the Bills put up more than 24 unless the D or special teams helps out. This week it's more important than ever for Orton not to be careless with the ball and Hackett to trust his running game.

Yeah, Orton misses guys. But you know what, Hackett knows what he has in his QB yet still called a game in which they threw way more than they ran. With this defense the Bills should be taking the ball out of Orton's hands and relying on the run game, particularly against a weak Browns front. That's all on Hackett.

Perhaps that's true, but who knows? Perhaps they win a game or two that the Orton led offense helped to lose. People love to act like EJ was the worst QB ever when he really wasn't. Orton has had a few good games but other than those he hasn't looked like much of an upgrade. The bottom line is that 8-8 doesn't get the Bills in the playoffs. EJ could have managed missing the playoffs too while getting the experience he needs. The change to Orton was a "playoffs or bust" move and if they don't make the playoffs, well, that's a bust. This team needs to win 3 of the next 4 and make this conversation moot. With this D it's possible.

Since I live in London I can't watch the game unless I pay roughly $16 to Sky Sports. I did that for the NE/Denver game and regretted it...

Entire D. The D line doesn't do it without the secondary, even if we don't realize it watching the TV feed.

With the remaining schedule I don't expect the playoffs (or anything better than 8-8 really) but given the past 15 years I can't really complain about 7-5. Given SD's remaining schedule I wanted them to win.

D has been OUTSTANDING the past few weeks. One TD allowed in the last two games. Just dominant.

I love seeing a 2-10 Tampa team "in the hunt"

Yeah, he did.

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Of course it will be. And with the prevent D coming up he's going to put up some yards.

It was one drive. The Browns are (were?) 7-4. Yeah, call for the rookie HC's head for turning around a dreadful franchise.

Best play call of Hackett's career.