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Grow a new thumb.

I know this thread belongs in "Off the Wall", but this is just a great, great thread. SO Upstate New York. Brings up a lot of rivalries between my Liverpool-based cousins and myself from 40 years ago. Being a Rochester guy, there's no question. Zweigle's. The rest of you should just back off. Heid's? Hoffman's? Nice, and all, but it's like the Amerks and 'Crunch'. Who the hell names their hockey team the 'Crunch'? Probably the same city that can't make a hot dog worth a schit.

Yes, but Metzelaars was about 8' 11" tall. He'd make a first down simply by falling forward. It was like watching a redwood being felled without the environmental consequences.

For awhile there, Los Angeles had two teams - one originating from Cleveland, the other from Oakland. Both beat Tampa when they had that flamer on the helmet.

Rome isn't falling, it's burning. And Rome isn't burning. This is just a very emotionally fragile place. And not just at this moment, but all the time. The Bills are going to win tomorrow. Everybody take a friggin' deep breath.

How 'bout you? Go away.

This is just so primally idiotic. Of course the Bills will win. Next topic.

And anyway, we're going to beat the Fish, in both our humble opinions. Everyone needs to lighten the "F" up.

Oh, don't worry. My point is that it's a lot easier to make statements like these when it's not your money. I think 99% of the "Owner/Geniuses" on this board would not have the testicular fortitude to back up their actions if the money was coming from a wallet located in direct proximity to said testicular fortitude. Ah, the beauty of an internet chat forum. Everyone's "Wile-E-Coyote, SOOPER Genius". The other 1% would already be flipping burgers.

Nor would you, I would guess.

Tell me something. Aside from the fact that you're having a hard time with the "walking upright" thing... Why...the "F"...would you trade Marshawn Lynch? I'll await your response in fingerpaint mode.

Jesus. Lighten up. The Bills are going to win this weekend. Have a little faith, baby. Have a little faith.

Not meaning to continually geek out about the weather, but I just had a face-to-face (literally) with the joys of Upstate NYs weather, and how it might affect tomorrow. I just got back in from what will probably be the last boat ride for the season in the eastern basin of Lake Ontario. Low gray clouds with a 10 mph wind from the SE (very strange for these parts, but there it was). I know it was 10 mph because I traveled WITH the wind for a few miles, and watched the speedometer on the depth finder, and the flag on the aft light lay flat against the pole. I was going at wind speed at 10 mph. The leaves were changing, the geese floated overhead, the world was right. All good things must come to an end, and I brought her about, bow-into-the-wind to get back to the marina. Any math majors out there? If I'm moving at 10 mph, and heading into a 10 mph headwind...that's right, it's a 20 mph wind in my face. DAMN! I couldn't imagine throwing a football in that crap and being successful at it. Particularly if there's rain blowing along with it. I mean...DAMN! I could barely see through the spray. If that wind comes in tomorrow off the lake at the predicted 15mph sustained with 20+ mph gusts...DAMN! Bring your ground game!

I dunno, dev. I can't shake memories of the Buffalo-at-Indianapolis game in 2006. You know, the year the Colts won the Super Bowl, and the Bills, well, sucked. Again. Manning was supposed to SLAUGHTER the Bills in Indianapolis. Remember that? The Bills lost - goodness, what a surprise. But they only lost by a point, because the defense got on Manning like no one had gotten on Manning. I dunno, dev. I just dunno. Don't write IN a win. Don't write 'em OFF just yet...

I personally couldn't give a rat's hairy exit chute what any of the announcers on ESPN has to say about anything, unless it's something like "The meteorite is expected to impact Upstate New York in 30 minutes, so hurry up and make a play for the hot wife across the street while you still have a pulse". And I'd make sure I Tivo'd it so that I'd have an excuse in case the meteorite missed, because that would be MY luck. That having been said, let's not deal with what those chowderheads have to say, for chrissakes. Like they KNOW something? They're sitting behind that desk with no pants on. This is a fan board. Let me, as a fan, tell you something - I'm praying to whatever god I can rent that the Pats* schit the bed at Foxboro against the Falcons. Because if they do, in the words of Ross Perot, you're going to hear a "giant sucking sound" as that narcissistic house of cards crawls up its own back door and deposits a suppository with its own teeth. "F" the Pats*. I'm the Falcons' biggest fan this weekend. New England is going to represent the next living definition of "Self-Doubt" if that limp-wristed-nancy-boy franchise loses. Oh, blessed happy day. "Barrytown" - Steely Dan

If you're THAT good at predicting the weather, baby, there's a job for you wearing a tight sweater in an Atlanta television studio. Screw the Weather Channel. Per my earlier post, go to the National Weather Service, look up Buffalo, and play with the maps. And get a different sweater.

Well done, Ramius. And it's not just the second glass of Sauvignon Blanc talking. That was pretty good. "Paper Moon" - Nat King Cole

johnnyb, I got it. This was actually very funny. No sarcasm here - I got a good laugh out of it.

Someone in another thread had expressed the opinion that The Weather Channel pads their forecast to cover their collective ass. Fair enough. While they DO have some hot looking weather babes, that's not what's important at the moment. What counts now is getting the forecast right. As such, I went to the source - The National Weather Service. Check out this link: http://www.weather.gov/forecasts/wfo/sectors/buf.php. Pretty cool. The forecast? Rain...meh, somewhat. The temperature? Maybe 70, but then dropping. No big deal on either front. The kicker is when you scroll down to "Wind", and "Wind Gusts" at 1 P.M. and then at 5:00 P.M. By 5:00 P.M., it's going to be a steady 15 mph wind gusting to well over 20 mph coming off the lake. By 6:30 P.M., I'm guessing both teams are going to have had to pack up their long passing game in favor of the ground game. A wet ball fluttering around in 22 mph gusts in fading light is not a doable proposition. Unless you're a cornerback. Then you're a happy man. So what? Well, if the Bills can keep it close going into the fourth quarter, the 12th Man (the fans) and the 13th Man (the weather) might be enough to (dare I say it)...pull this off. It really might be a close game. I'm now very grateful for the late start.

Welcome aboard! Don't worry. Dumber things will come up. The trick is not being the one to start a thread on 'em.

Aarrgghh. It hurts just to be optimistic about this game. But I am. Someone raised an interesting point about the score being 13-10 and pissing off all the fantasy goobs. If the Bills can somehow actually contain these guys and keep it a field goal race, guess what.....

Hey John, Welcome back. Good to have you here. WB

The weather might play a factor. Only "might". It'll be rainy, but the real factor could be the wind. Weather.com is calling for winds from the SW at 12-15 mph. The kicker, however, is what is in store for Monday. Showers and a wind moving up towards 21 mph. If that second blast gets to Buffalo a little sooner than later, the long pass aspect of both teams' game will be hindered. The field will shorten to RBs, TE, Slot receivers. If THAT'S the case, the Bills should be able to keep up in a track meet. More importantly, however, the weather MIGHT allow a more effective blitz package. Not as many fruitful opportunities to get out of the blitz by bombing long if the WRs are dropping balls.

Good advice. I'm no big fan of Zebb's, but it would represent a shorter drive home after said "adult beverages". But I'll swing by Griff's this week to get the lay of the land. Or I'll hook up the downstairs 32" HDTV to the computer and spend the $25 on Game Pass instead of on overpriced drinks, and then be able to use my own bathroom.

Just checked Titantv. No Bills games in Watertown, Utica or Rome. Zebb's, here I come. I'll call them tomorrow.