Albany,n.y.

Better, knows to keep his clothes on outside of the locker room and parts of his house.

Who knows if there will still be an NFL in 2922

When the Bills traded up to #12 in 2018 and within a week the Jets traded up from 6 to 3, I was convinced that the Jets had screwed over the Bills & would get the better QB in 2018. Fortunately for the Bills & unfortunately for the Jets the Jets picked the wrong guy & the Bills picked the right guy. While there's some luck involved, the teams with the better scouts & management will always come out ahead of the mismanaged teams in the long run. We were mismanaged for so many years that by the time Beane, McDermott and the new scouting staff arrived any QB pick we made was questioned by the fans. When I read the stories of how diligent the Bills were in scouting the QB class of 2018 from watching tape of every one of Josh's plays in college to watching him on the sidelines to seeing how he interacted with the Bills office staff, it's like they wrote the book on how to scout and draft a franchise QB. I get on the people I call the "stat boys" at times, and in 2018 the stat boys wanted nothing to do with Josh Allen. It doesn't matter how the game has changed over the years, film study will always be more important than looking blindly at QB stats and so does the due diligence of interviewing a player & the coaches who coach him. When the Raiders chose JaMarcus Russell with the #1 pick they didn't do enough due diligence. At one point Matt Millen called Al Davis specifically to warn him how much of a slug Russell was after Millen interviewed Russell & Russell was horrible during the meeting. Millen was honestly trying to warn Davis but old Al wouldn't listen. It was pretty close to the same thing the year SD drafted Ryan Leaf after he came to the combine out of shape & blew off an interview with the Colts. Then after he was drafted Leaf told the Chargers he was going to party in Las Vegas as long as he wanted before coming to SD for an introductory presser. I heard the Leaf story on the radio one day years ago when they were interviewing an ex-Charger front office man & he was asked when was the 1st time you knew you were in trouble by drafting Ryan Leaf. They should have known about his flawed character before the draft, not right after they drafted him.

You're right! I looked it up in the Bills media guide.

IDK, but he has a brother named Norman who is a real psycho.

I went out & bought Josh's jersey right after the Vikings game & it's the 1st jersey I ever bought (I'm in my 60s so it shows you what I thought of Josh). I totally agree on the ruined QB stuff. I've been saying for many years no team can ruin a QB unless they do something stupid that he gets a career threatening injury that could have been avoided. I believe QBs ruin coaches careers, not the other way around.

I see Fromm never playing a down in any NFL real game. He will play his way off the team in his preseason appearances. Trubisky is here for the whole season. The only reason McCarron was traded was because he played himself out of the starter's job & didn't like the idea of being a backup in Buffalo because he had a swelled head, but settled for a backup job when he was traded to Oakland. Not the 1st time a team took a 5th round flyer on a guy & then found out he wasn't NFL material. There are more 5th round busts than the Kyle Williams & Matt Milanos.

Without the sarcasm that's correct. Look at the QBs drafted in the last 2 drafts. Outside of #1 picks Murray & Burrow, the only other QB that they could have drafted to make your statement correct was last year's #6 Herbert. So unless they had convinced Tom Brady to play in Buffalo instead of Tampa, they would still be in QB limbo-see NY Jets.

I think that the Bills expected to take a few steps backwards with the QBs they had (McCarron, Peterman & a raw rookie in Allen) on the day of the draft and didn't want to include a high 2019 draft pick.

I edited that before I saw your post. Based on the leaked Bills board prior to the draft, Beane was willing to make the proposed Denver trade to 5 for any of his top 3. In order they were Allen, Darnold & Mayfield. There was no plan to trade up beyond those 3 which means they would still be looking if Cleveland & the Jets took Allen & Mayfield.

They really didn't neglect the position, the old regimes just didn't do everything possible to get the right guy. Look at what was tried over the years using the 1st 3 rounds of the draft (I'm not going beyond the 3rd round since drafting a QB beyond that is not really trying, just hoping for a low percentage pick to exceed expectations): 1995-Used a 2nd rd pick to draft the QB they thought could be the QB of the future in Todd Collins 1997-Traded a 3rd round pick for Billy Joe Hobert 1998: Traded a 1st and a 4th for Rob Johnson, signed Doug Flutie 2002: Traded a 1st round pick in 2003 for Drew Bledsoe 2004: Traded a 2nd, 5th, & a 2005 1st for Dallas' 1st rd pick to draft J.P. Losman 2007: Used a 3rd rd pick (from McGahee trade) too draft Trent Edwards 2013: 1st round pick on EJ Manuel So between Jim Kelly & Josh Allen the Bills used 4 1st round picks to acquire QBs, two 2nd rd picks-one to draft & 1 as part of a move up trade for QBs, and two 3rds. That's 8 premium picks in attempts to get a QB. So it's not like the Bills old GMs didn't try, they just picked the wrong guys or didn't have the courage to package enough picks to get a guy they wanted like the 2004 draft when the Bills wanted to move up for Ben Roethlisberger but didn't make any team above them an offer that team couldn't refuse and then settled for a trade up later in the 1st for JP Losman. Now look at what the Bills did in 2018 under current management. After the 2017 season they were sitting with picks 21 & 22 where it would be impossible to get the QB they wanted. I believe that none of the prior GMs from the end of Kelly's career to Allen's drafts would have ever done enough to get the Bills to pick 7. Actually, the Bills were planning on moving up to 5 until Denver backed out when Chubb was still available. If Cleveland had drafted Chubb at 4, the Bills would have traded up to 5 with Denver to take Josh Allen. Beane planned to move heaven & earth to make sure he was in position to get his man. He traded for another 2nd before the 2017 season, traded Glenn & 21 to get to 12 & then pulled off the trade the prior GMs wouldn't dare to do. Then he drafted the QB that the organization believed in in spite of being laughed at by the analytics guys who used stats instead of tape & in person interviews. The Bills didn't neglect the QB position all those years. They tried, but made poor decisions & didn't have the courage to try to get into the top 10 by giving up what others would call too much. Maybe they relied too much on the points system most of the time. Beane didn't care about points. After the trade up to 12 with Cincinnati he was willing to trade the 1,910 draft points for 1,501 points to draft Allen. In the earlier proposed trade with Denver, he was going to trade picks 12, 22 & 53 for 5, a trade of 2,350 points for 1,700 points. Even with all that planning, it still could have gone wrong. If Cleveland had drafted Allen & the Jets Mayfield, the Bills would have ended up trading up to 7 for Sam Darnold. The planning worked but the Bills also got lucky the Browns and Jets didn't draft Josh.

I remember some drafts where a team traded the next year's 1st rounder for that year's 2nd round pick. The problem for the Bills if they did that would be they wouldn't have a 1st rounder this year & their 1st pick would be #61 where the teams that traded away their 2nd rounder already picked in the 1st round. Here's one where a team traded their 2nd rounder for a #1 pick 2 years away San Diego → Tampa Bay (PD). Tampa Bay traded their 1998 second-round pick to San Diego in exchange for their first round pick in 2000.

2 seasons & Fromm will cook at the Big Tree Inn

There is NO WAY in the world that they're not going to extend Josh Allen, NONE. Beane knows how tough it is to find a franchise QB & he also knows if the Bills tried to replace Josh with Mitch Trubisky Pegula would have to spend a lot more $ to build a new stadium than any contract he'd end up giving Josh because if the Bills tried to sell fans on Trubisky over Allen the fans would riot and wreck the current stadium beyond repair.

Since the Bills signed Trubisky with the intent of 1 & done in 2021, they'll be in the market for a new backup in 2022. If Sam Darnold has another mediocre season, he'll be in the same spot Trubisky was in this offseason. If that's the case I think Sam Darnold will be the backup in 2022. Shades of when OJ was the franchise & the Bills drafted his buddy Al Cowlings. Now I don't expect any murders or slow speed chases after Josh & Sam retire. 😄

Maybin led the Jets in sacks in 2011 with 6, then was waived before the end of the 2012 season. I think he fits quite nicely as a 1 year wonder since all his career sacks were in 2011.

It was actually the then named Washington Redskins who helped ruin him by letting him play hurt & exacerbate his injury. He never played for the team called the Washington Football Team.

A more likely scenario if the owner knew would be to hope he could trade Watson before anyone else knew. He could posture that they weren't going to trade him to up his trade value & breathe a huge sigh of relief once the deal was final. The last thing Houston's ownership wanted was for this to come out while he was still with the Texans because now he might be suspended or worse, his career may be over if he's criminally prosecuted & convicted. From strictly a biased Bills fan perspective, it's too bad the Dolphins or Jets didn't trade a lot to get him and then have this come out right after the beginning of the season when it would be too late to rescind the trade.

For Bills only: Going back to the 1970s it has to be Terry Miller, but the most recent was Robert Foster. Miller was a 1st round pick who fizzled out after a solid rookie year. Foster was an undrafted free agent so not much was expected of him. A funny re-draft of the 2018 draft in the off season after 2018 had Foster as one of their 1st rounders in the redraft. For the NFL: In 1969 Greg Cook was the Bengals 1st rounder (5th overall) and looked to be a franchise QB as a rookie. He wrecked his arm & didn't play again until 1973. He played in only 1 game that year & was done forever. If you never heard of him, here's a good story: https://thegruelingtruth.com/football/greg-cook-he-could-have-been-the-greatest-ever/ More recently it has to be RGIII.

Rosen ran out of excuses a long time ago. Arizona saw enough of him to move him before his trade value went down to zero after 1 year. Miami gave him a chance & decided he was bad enough to draft Tua. Then after Miami cut him no team, after seeing his 2 years in the NFL, wanted him & he ended up on Tampa's practice squad where he stayed until SF was running low on QBs & signed him without so much of a whimper from Tampa Bay. Now look at Josh Allen: I think it's safe to say I don't know what rookie would have been successful in Buffalo. His O-line & WRs had to be as bad as Arizona's if not worse. At least Arizona had Larry Fitzgerald. Our Josh had virtually no receivers with Robert Foster coming off the practice squad to be Josh's top receiver. What has Foster done since? Still as a rookie Josh Allen helped will the team to 5 wins in 11 starts. He made no excuses, came back with better players his 2nd season & immediately led the Bills to their best record in many years. By year 3, in spite of the rookie hardships, Josh Allen became a top 5 QB in the entire league. Josh Rosen was just another good college player who isn't good enough to make it, even as a quality backup, in the NFL. He isn't the 1st & he won't be the last, he just isn't meant for NFL football. Nothing wrong with that. A lot of good college players never get to start a single game in the NFL and still have a good enough resume to get a leg up on a lot of post football jobs. Josh Rosen will probably have a long successful career. It just won't be as a football player.

Jimmy Johnson "When you talk the talk, you gotta walk the walk" Rosen talked the talk but didn't walk the walk.

Maybe he has a kid here that nobody knows about & he's visiting the kid. There's no way he's here to play for the Bills again.

Not just that, his wife would divorce him & his kids would never talk to him again.

Barkley is gone, look at the posts prior to you post.

Have you seen the forced oral allegation? That one is a lot different than anything that went on in a massage parlor.