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You're kidding, right? Fairchild was incompetent...Schonert hasn't proven to be anything, for certain, yet.

I'm no quarterback coach, but I would guess that part of it is that A) Young was the most accurate passer I've ever seen, so he might not be a fair example, and B) the closing speed of corners and safeties nowdays is far better than it was 20, even 10 years ago. Guys like Louis Oliver and Mark Kelso wouldn't even make an NFL roster now if you transplanted their talent from 1990 to today.

The Patriots won 2 Super Bowls before Brady even figured out how to throw the ball more than 10 yards downfield...so I wouldn't panic about it yet.

Blitz the hell out of Thigpen...I wouldn't care if we were starting 4 rookies in the secondary. Bills by 6....

Man, I didn't really think it was complicated...they don't make big plays. That's the problem. They didn't have much pass rush last year (26 sacks), they're on pace for 24 this year. So that doesn't explain it. They just have a bunch of guys in their defense that don't make plays, despite how much more "talented" they are than the guys that were around last year. Just a comparison of some of the guys from last year and their replacements this year in terms of "big plays," the production in bold is from last year: DiGiorgio: 2 sacks, INT. Poz: 1 forced fumble Wilson/ Leonard: 4 INTs, FR, 2TDs Simpson: nothing that I remember McCargo/Triplett: 3.5 sacks, 2 FF, INT Stroud/Johnson: 3.5 sacks, FF Schobel: 6.5 sacks, 5 FF Schobel/Denney: 2 sacks They just don't have any playmakers. Greer makes an occasional play, as do Stroud and Mitchell it seems. Whitner in 2 and a half seasons: 1 sack, 1 forced fumble, 2 INTs. That's a lot of games, and not a lot of plays. Simpson doesn't make plays. Poz doesn't make plays. Ellison, Kyle Williams, Kelsay, same goes for them.

I agree...or would go as far as to say that defenses find it easy to adjust to the way he plays. It was cold, damp, and either rainy or snowing in a couple of games Edwards played well in last year- the win in Washington, and the home game against Miami in December. He happened to go 33-59 for 422 yards, 4 TDs and 0 picks in those games. They weren't the worst weather games imaginable, but the conditions in both were worse than on Monday night and he did fine.

He's not in prison, and he's not the brother of Sammy Morris.

I clarify this by saying that, by all accounts Whitner is a good leader and a pretty good safety. But Huff's struggles in Oakland don't make the Whitner pick any better. They still took him about 10 spots too high.

I was born in '81. My first real memory of watching the Bills was actually a strike game against the Giants in '87. The first football game I ever really watched was probably the worst one as well. I think the Bills won 6-3 in OT or something. After that, I don't really have many memories until '89. I remember pretty well the Bills getting their asses kicked in Chicago in '88, and the AFC Championship game later that year.

4th quarter meltdown aside, I like that offense more with Rosenfels at the helm. He seems more willing to go downfield, and Schaub has developed a bit of Jim Everett happy feet disease. He's so paranoid about the rush that he panics. He's really talented, but that doesn't translate into winning games or even putting up a ton of points.

Mario Williams is a good DE, not a great or even very good one. Look at that draft's first round a couple of years later now and it is extremely unimpressive. Even the top 10 has a bunch of guys that are very solid players but don't ever figure to be stars (Ferguson, Sims, Whitner, Huff, Hawk) and a couple of possible busts (Young, Leinart, Davis). Williams and Bush are nice players, but not special ones. Anyhow, the problem with Williams is still that he hasn't learned how to play football...everything he does is based on athletic ability (playing a 3-4 doesn't help him), his technique still blows. No thanks to Houshmandzadeh- he'd be an instant upgrade for the Bills, obviously, but in my opinion WR isn't their problem area anymore.

Since the other thread got locked before I could get it in, might as well post it here.. Has anybody pointed out that about 20 million of his contract extension was guaranteed? They aren't cutting him, they wouldn't be saving a full 7 million a year with the dead cap space considered. What's dumber, paying him 7 million in salary to underachieve, or paying him 20 million to not even see his extension? He'll be cut to save money, but it won't be until 2011 or 2012 IMO.

Well then...I have to say that I'm proud of myself for not knowing his particular reputation on a message board.

Fair enough...but a lot of teams had Rashan Salaam, Mike Rozier, Curtis Enis, and Blair Thomas ranked high too....

Or at the people who follow the posts of others so closely to know such a thing

I don't think Phillips was as talented as made out to be by the media. He always looked a bit sluggish and slow in the NFL. He should have been an NFLer with a solid career, but I don't think he was worthy of going top 10 in the draft based on his talent alone.

I'll go with 319.

That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Are you serious? It "hurts" the tie-breaker situation? Absolutely, astoundingly retarded post.

Maybe this was pointed out earlier in the thread...I don't know, I'm not going to siphon through all the BS to find out....but how many Bills drives have bogged down deep in the redzone and resulted in field goals or turnovers? My count is 1- in the first half vs Jacksonville. I think Bills fans might have gotten their hopes a little too high after seeing what Colston did a couple of years back as a big, rookie WR. We'll see what happens in the 2nd half of the season...that's when Evans really started to get it going in '04. But even if things stay the same, whose contributions would you prefer so far? Limas Sweed? Devin Thomas? Malcolm Kelly? Those 3, Buffalo's "alternatives," have all fared worse than Hardy.

I'm 27. Warner is barely among the top 10 QB's I've seen in their "prime," so I would have to agree that it's ludicrous to put him in the top 10....even top 20. Then again, I think Steve Young was better than Elway, Favre, or Marino (I think the numbers back it up). You can manipulate stats any way you want, but QB rating is the most useless. But to throw some useless stats out there, since fumbles were brought up...I decided to pick some of the "greats" of the past 20 years and see how they stack up as complete QBs. Total TDs (passing+rushing) compared to INTs + fumbles (regardless of whether they were lost or not). Manning +121, 1.59 TDs per potential TO Montana +101, 1.53 Young +100, 1.57 Brady +51, 1.34 Marino +67, 1.19 Favre +26, 1.06 Kelly -7, 0.97 Elway -30, 0.92 Aikman -25, 0.87 Warner -25, 0.87 Moon -81, 0.79 Bledsoe -68, 0.79 Nothing against Warner, he was great for a couple years...even now he's good. But I don't think he's even a lock to be one of the top 10 QBs of the last 20 years, let alone top 10 ever.

Of all the plays talked about in that game, the one that haunts me isn't Smith not forcing a fumble on the safety, the play where Ingram broke 20 tackles on 3rd and long, or Reed's 2nd half drops. It was the wasted play after the Bills used their last time out. They had around 50 seconds left, clock stopped, and had just pushed into Giants territory. Then came that useless dump to McKeller that gained 4 or 5 yards and ate up about half the time left on the clock. It was a bad pass, and I almost think Kelly was trying to throw it away. Instead, McKeller reached down and grabbed it off the top of his shoe. They lost 20-25 seconds, didn't gain much at all, and the play was reviewed which gave the Giants time to set their defense. I believe the next, and last play from scrimmage was that Thomas draw play.

If Hardy gives them 30-40 yards per week until Parrish gets back, I'd be extremely happy. His role right now is to be a decoy, especially in the redzone.

My guess is that Dan Patrick has watched 1 full Bills game in about 5 years...probably the MNF fellatio fest of the Cowboys last year. Who cares what people like that guy think? To get upset about his prediction is ridiculous. With the inferiority complex around here, you'd think we were all Philadelphia fans.

As crazy as it sounds, I wouldn't trade Reed for Holt. Reed knows his role, and does it very well. He's miscast as a #2 receiver and we all know it, but he's not going to B word because he doesn't put up 90 yards per game. This is the NFL, not a fantasy football league. That's not even to mention that Reed is more of a threat over the middle than Holt, and he's not nearly the kitty that Holt can be. I wouldn't underestimate the grit and toughness that Reed brings to the offense, even if he's only catching 3 balls for 34 yards or whatever in a game. I know the comparison is a stretch, but would the Pats trade Welker for Holt? I doubt it.

This always a fascinating question. Somehow, I think, the jury is still out on the guy. He's proven he can overachieve with a rag-tag group of players, but he's also never won a playoff game in all his time head coaching. At the end of the day, your record is what it is. 4 playoff wins in over 20 years of coaching, none at even a coordinator level, no Super Bowls reached, none won. I like a lot of what he does- his teams rarely beat themselves, which is crucial for the undermanned squads he's had before this year. At least they make the other team beat them.