dave mcbride

The Eagles don't have a winning record (and their record is the same as the Titans - 4-4).

Agreed. Aside from the first drive that ended with an Eagles FG, I felt like the Bills couldn't stop the Eagles passing game when the Eagles needed to make a play.

I think this is right. That was a massively bad trade in retrospect. I can see being a little gunshy after that debacle.

Andy Reid and Sean Peyton are two of the best QB evaluators and coaches in the league, period. They wanted him. I'd trust their opinion about his talent level coming out, and the fact that both wanted him tells you all you need to know. The fact that teams that kill QB careers for a living - Chicago and Buffalo - didn't take him tells me nothing.

The lack of a good QB was always THE problem. The Bills ran out some very talented defenses, receivers, and RBs over the years. It's why they were never 2-14 despite bad quarterbacks.

The dark lord may well have known and engineered it such that the one guy he knew he could beat in a crucial game, Andy Reid, would end up with Mahomes.

Yeah, I know that, but the question was specifically about trades. As for the Bills acting responsibly or not before his arrival, I don't know. Their main problem was an inability to hit on a QB.

I do think that Whaley played a large role in the drafting of Manuel. He did all of the scouting and worked him out personally on a rainy day in FL. Fun fact: he was almost certainly the anonymous Bills front office person who talked down Matt Barkley after going to his pro day at USC.

Andy Reid and Sean Payton were the two people who were all in on Mahomes.

PS - Bryce Brown is who you're thinking of. They did give up a 4th. He didn't work out.

That wasn't a trade for a player, however. That's the issue. Also, with regard to Manuel, at least they traded down before taking him. They netted Alonso out of that, which they later turned into McCoy.

Whaley's trades for players: Kelvin Sheppard for Jerry Hughes Kiko Alonso for Lesean McCoy A fifth and a seventh for Matt Cassel and a sixth Trade deadline trades: I'm fairly certain the number under Whaley was zero.

I suppose that going after a guy like AJ Green in FA next season is the better move than trading a second and a third (for instance) for him now if you think your ceiling with or without him is maybe a WC win before getting destroyed by one of the better teams on the road in the divisional round. The issue is that he has to nail his draft picks. In the third year of the McDermott/Beane regime, White was a great pick, and I think Edmunds probably qualifies as a strong pick considering what he brings to the pass defense. I suppose Dawkins rates as a pretty good pick; he seems to be having a solid season and is a legit LT starter in this league. The jury is out on the other high picks (except for Zay, a failure), and of course it really all comes down to Allen. Allen is a below-average NFL qb right now, but he's not terrible and he's clearly talented.

Good post. I know a lot of people don't love Football Outsiders, but they now have us ranked 25th overall in DVOA, partly because the schedule the Bills have played is basically garbage except for NE and Philly. They had us trending downward after the Miami game, and that Philly game proved them right to an extent (i.e., getting dominated at home). The teams the Bills have beaten are ranked 24, 26, 30, 31, and 32, and the next four opponents are ranked 29, 23, 32, and 21. They also get 20 and 30 in two of the final three games. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff/2019 Anyway, the roster remains quite mediocre overall despite some bright spots (Tre White, John Brown).

I can't think of a worse run team in a while than this year's Jets. That is a team that went into the season with some very good talent (Leonard Williams, Mosley, Bell, Quinnen Williams, Anderson, Adams, and at least the promise of eventual high-end talent with Darnold), and they're staring into the abyss of a 3-13 season. What a dumpster fire. I mean, at least Miami has a plan that makes some sense on paper and is fully executing it.

Arguably cost them the game last night.

Neither is Finley. I have to think they're playing for #1 overall.

Finley is never going to be the answer. My suspicion is that they're eyeing Miami and noticing that that Fitz might actually gut out a win or two for the Phins (Fitz did it for the 0-8 Bills in 2010, after all). At 0-8, they have a chance to get the inside track on getting #1, and they don't want to miss that chance.

He is not the problem there.

Yes! Assuming he's there, he'll give you at least one.

One of my best friends in life -- Mike Miller, from Tonawanda -- is the owner (and founder) of Delilah's. Give him the business! It is also a freaking phenomenal bar.

He won't average 3.2 ypc for KC, that's for sure.

What Bell gives is a RB who is equally a threat in the run game and pass games. He is a 3-down back, and it totally changes how a defense has to play you on a play-by-play basis. Gore, who I love, is a running threat only. Bell is a very rich man's TJ Yeldon.

The Chargers were 9-23 in the two years before he got there. It wasn't just one bad season; they were terrible. His biggest advocate all along wasn't Rex; it was Bill Parcells, who Lynn coached for. Parcells told many that he'd be a very good head coach, including Rex Ryan. Given Parcells' track with guys he's championed over the years (Belichick, Coughlin, Sean Payton), I'll take his opinion over anyone on this board.

That's not an argument.