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We overpaid for RJ, but the price went up with the other teams competing for him. With JP the deal was about right on. You always lose value trading future picks (ie, a 2nd is worth a 1st next year.) If everyone can just hold on for a couple years, JP may look like the steal - for us.

Comp sounds about right, but I would like to see some creative dealing from Marv. Especially after getting a lousy 5th for Moulds. How about getting STLs 2nd, and kicking back our 4th or 5th? It would be nice to hang onto both 3rd and get the 2nd. With the 2 3rds Im just not 'feelin' the third one.

That is some seriously sissyfied fighting technique going on there. Too funny.

I think you miss the point dawgg. That TD swung for the fences, that he "went for it" wasn't just about a popularity contest. The guy was a first rate wheeler and dealer. One of the best the NFL has had in awhile. TD is no longer here because a) the team didn't win, and b) he pissed off Ralph with the sign business at the end of last year. He is not NOT here because he was bad at his job. Dare I say, if he was still here the Moulds 5th would be a 3rd. People like to trash his drafts, but when we picked MW it was in a weak draft with plenty of other busts. He was hamstrung by the slot. Look back to the Henry draft. Sheer brilliance. The WM wasn't so bad either, eh? But once people make up their mind about something at TSW, you are either too good to be human, or actual human excrement. This is not the mecca of balanced thinking. It is the home of the dog-pile.

Something just occured to me. Not only did he make it more interesting for us. It seemed that we were pretty much front and center in the off season as a team on the move. He was a mover and a shaker that garned national attention. It really is a shame he had to blow himself up. But I like how ajzepp put it: "The guy took his shots, and I dig that." That sums it up pretty nicely, doesn't it? Something we should all strive for, I dare say. Maybe this understanding can help the guy writing the next "he would take the high motor white guy" post. Maybe that guy will say "forgetaboutit" and leave it in the eithers of cyber space. Where it belongs...

Good, fair post. Seems like everyone wants to demonize him, but the guy had flair. More draft day drama then just about any GM Buffalo has ever had. I will miss his trades, his working of the board. Marv will bore us to death. Lets hope he can do as well as, say, Butler who was no friend to trading.

A Nate trade would almost certainly have to take place before the draft as a sign and trade. To do otherwise would cause the Bills to lose their Franchise Tag for the duration of Clement's contract. .

Actually, Hawk makes more sense for them. There are many who think he is the top defensive player on the board, and possibly the best player in the draft.

Ahhh...it feels good to REALLY hate the Dulfins again. They were starting become just another team. Thanks Nick. You 'da man!

Agreed. You do not pass on perhaps the best player in the draft at #8 for a need pick. Besides, we may really need him. Alas, we're just dreaming....

What player should Buffalo draft to esure that they are not competitive for the next 5 years?

Right on...

Well put, and thanks for saving me the trouble. To those of you whining about Ralph, or accusing him of whining, just remember this: his efforts are directly related to keeping the NFL playing field equal. It is not about him making more or less money relative to yesterday. It is about him being able to spend for players and coaches on equal footing with the big market teams. You know, the guys who sell tickets to practice, and game day tics for 2x what Ralph can charge. In Bills terms, for you slow learners, that mean......drum role please......KEEPING THE BILLS IN BUFFALO! If you are still unclear, no problem, we can explain it to you again when the Bills move to lala land.

My sentiments exactly. I was a huge lifelong Mets fan and I didn't even watch the WS they played in last. Greed has left MLB dead to me, and if the Bills move, the NFL will not even be an afterthought in my world. Its happening even now. Yes, I am with SDS on his points, but the demise has been in progress for awhile. To wit: Consider that it takes about $200 on average to take a family of 4 to a game. In Buffalo that means hard working people are putting out big cash to see a game that keeps jacking up the rates so that owners and and players can make even more outrageous money. And we listen as players dare talk about "feeding their family." Disgusting. Why is it that such things must trend upward? I see why players wanted a bigger piece of the pie, but why o why must that pie grow like something out of The Blob? Why is it the prices are beginning to compete with a Broadway show? History teaches us that such greed eventually blows itself up. It is only a matter of time before these knuckleheads kill the golden egg laying goose.

Yea really, like he doesn't think a white boy could stomp the sh-- out of him in a serious way...

Thanks. I was going to reply, but you channeled my very words.

Perhaps. Then again, it will also be the ruin of it. Reading what Ralph had to say really p%ssed me off. With guys like Snyder, Jones and Craft railroading in a new (big market) commish, the NFL will be one step away from the fate of MLB. I can't tell you much about those guys, I don't watch anymore. Haven't in 15 years. Since money makes the world go round, I suggest the NFL follow MLBs lead and bring back steriods. We can watch while all the player and team records fall. We may even get lucky and see a bunch of guys die on the field. That would be REAL entertainment. Screw the antiquated idea of rooting for your home team. Team loyalty. Player loyalty. That stuff is for pussies. We want ROLLERBALL!

No, you are wrong. Moulds would not have shown up at mini camp or any other team activity. He would dangle in the wind until Buffalo cuts him before the season starts - assuming he does not renegotiate. While the whole world knew (thanks Marv) that Buffalo would not carry his current salary, that does not mean that Buffalo couldn't take their own sweet time in addressing his fate.

Gee, your list sure cheered me up... Bone-headed trade. We should not have been in a hurry to close a bad deal. Everyone here saying WE HAVE TO TAKE THE DEAL know nothing about making a deal. As soon as Marv stops returning phone calls Moulds' value goes up. If it is indeed a 5th, Marv got worked plain and simple. More then likely a 5th gets someone on the practice squad for a 1 year career. Ye, I am bitter...

Because he is one of the best linebackers to come out if the draft in quite some time? Would that do it for you? Plus what Tipster said... At number 8 I do NOT want to pick a guy because he plays a position we have a need at. That does not make him good. I wish people would realize this. You do not take a top guy at a position when a STAR is looking at you in another one. I will not say what or who that is. That is Marv and staff's job. Unless you guys are pro talent evaluaters I would just as soon put an end to the "we have to pick a - fill in the position - " nonsence.

This 4th round pick thingy has reached the point of obsurdity. Someone, probably Moulds' agent, floated the idea of a 4th rounder. Now everyone is discussing it as if it is fact. Same thing as with the Losman trade. Here's an idea. Maybe Buffalo wants a 3rd or 2nd for him. In the absence of hard information, this is as valid as the idea of the Bills and Texans 'struggling' over a 4/5. Personally, if it was a question of the 4th rounder, I think this deal would have already been done. I don't know, and neither do these clowns who pose as insiders.

Your leaps in logic and information interpretation are truly astounding. Give it up dude. Just as we do not know what is going on in the locker room, neither do you or all the other JP haters. You simply assume, for your own purposes, that the bad stuff must be true. When making a biased "assumption" be sure to not subject the reader to a "factual" conclusion. At least give us the benefit of a form of self-policing intellectual honesty. Some of the things that really stands out for me in this JP "discussions" are: 1. JP MOVED to Buffalo, and remained here most of the last off season (except vacation.) I think he even moved his mom here. As a native Buffalonian I must say this earns him big props right off. The dude actually LIKES Buffalo. Lets not ruin it for him if we don't have to, eh? 2. Unlike Moulds and a number of other players, JP has initiated NO BAD PRESS! He is never quoted as being disgruntled. He never calls out his teammates in public. He in every way "appears to be" the kind of TEAM FIRST guy that a real Bills fan can appreciate. 3. Given that #1 and #2 are FACTS - and the COMPLETE absence of refuting information - I find it nothing short of amazing for guys to be going around bad mouthing him. Combine that with his whopping half a season play, and I find most of these rants moronic at best, and downright mean-spirited at worst.

And here I didn't think the posts in TSW could get any dumber.... Are you people for real? Hell, the rumors on JPs attitude and, now, getting traded are probably coming from your endless, and maniacal rantings. Get a grip.

If it is just the question of the likelihood of Moulds getting cut, then yes, he holds the cards. Buffalo is already on record as saying they want him to take a pay cut. But you all seem to be forgetting something. The Bills do not have to go into the season with him on the roster to gain leverage. The longer they wait, the less likely it will be that Moulds will get a decent contract. If he pushes too hard, the bills can cut him in July or August after all the cap money has dried up. Game set match. As long as Marv isn't a pushover Buffalo regains the upper hand and forces a trade that returns reasonable value. The only way Moulds could screw us now is if he is willing to cut off his nose to spite his face, so to speak...

WTF? I was not being sarcastic. That is, of course, if I am being accurate with the English translation of your writing. PS. As an aside, I am not a spelling Nazi, nor do I go around correcting people's grammar and whatnot. But please. Please! To write without the use of CAPITAL letters, proper punctuation, and the increasingly common absence of paragraphs is essentially saying to your reader: "This thing I'm writing about, and you the reader, really aren't very important, so f$%$%k off, I have better things to do." This criticism is based on the assumption that the writer actually knows better. If not, please finish school before voicing your opinions, and show more respect to your elders.