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He's right. They aren't the same player. Julius Thomas is a glorified WR. Charles Clay might not be as prolific as a catcher, but he's much more versatile. And i'd understand the tweet if we were paying more than Thomas - but even Wingo cites the guarantee is about 20 percent less with Clay.

@hsimon62: if you are worried about the cap w/report that Clay's 2016 cap # will be around 12 million. don't worry. even w/dareus coming up (1/2) @hsimon62: as per http://t.co/TfHg2CvTtL, #Bills top 51 contracts in 2016 take up $109 million in space. some are projecting 2016 cap to be around 160m @hsimon62: Bills would have room to cover Dareus and Gilmore. Bills have till May 3rd to exercise a 2016 option on Gilmore which would cost 10M plus @hsimon62: they haven't touched mario williams contract yet and he has cap # of 19m plus. they can re-structure to clear more room if they want @hsimon62: great to have filthy rich owners who will spend whatever it takes including bonus money that lowers cap #'s to sign/keep key players

I don't think Clay is a 12 mil cap hit this year. It has been reported that it will be 12 next season. This season is probably a smaller cap number along with a big signing bonus.

By your math, when he agreed at 3:15 on Friday, a day already passed? No - Friday at 3:15 to Saturday at 3:15 counts as 1 day passed. We're currently just beyond 4 days since the announcement by Adam Schefter. Tomorrow at 3:15 will be going on Day 5. If they get there. Not much longer than the wait on the other deals.

Considering he agreed late in the afternoon on Friday, your math is a little off. Everybody just chill. It'll be announced within the next day or so, i'm sure. Just like all the other deals. Sorry reddogblitz - this is going to happen.

I hope they fly Harvin in tomorrow to sign his deal now that they banged out the Charles Clay contract.

When you consider the fact that there's 64 starting Guards in the NFL - being ranked 50th best would make him a very good backup.

I was saying I preferred keeping him at 1.2 rather than cutting him and getting back said 1.2 on top of what we have already saved Because most backup Guards are below average starters. It's the same way Kyle Orton was considered a top tier backup QB - but an average at best starter.

I think that's very smart! Urbik is an average starter and a very solid backup. There was a lot of speculation that we would cut both him and Chris Williams to free up space to get a better Guard. But I like Urbik taking a substantial pay cut and staying instead of losing him and gaining another 1.2 mil. Chris Williams on the other hand....

I really don't think there's any way with the amount of cap space each side allegedly has that either is hamstringed by this Clay pissing contest. If Miami really has 21 million in space, they could sign a couple more guys AND Clay to the tender if they so chose. And if we have 14 million in space (both figures based off Omar Kelly last night), we could get another lineman and sign Clay if we so chose. If you look at who's left on the market - who is Miami being kept from signing? It's pretty much bargain shopping now. I just don't see much of a point to all of this besides pride. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.

I feel like Whaley supplied the "90 percent chance Clay ends up a Bill" story to Vic Carucci for us impatient fans. Because he knows the staring contest with Miami isn't ending anytime soon. I hope i'm wrong because this whole process is getting really annoying.

I really hope he signs with San Diego. I really don't want to cheer against Stevie.

"Charles Clay Interest" was on the ticker for ESPN's NFL Insiders just now. So I watched and it was Josina Anderson giving the latest on Charles Clay and the Bills. Which wasn't much of an update, but I figured i'd transcribe it for those interested:

Perhaps - who knows but them? I just know that when the jet was originally being tracked by posters during the coaching search, they traveled to Boca a few times and it was stated they resided there when not in town.

The Pegula's have a home in Boca Raton. The plane is always flying back and forth between there and Buffalo. I take it as them flying home. Perhaps Clay met them there. But generally Boca Raton on the Pegula jet don't mean jack.

These are from last night and 6 pages of this thread ago. Which in "Clay Watch" time is like 2 years ago...

This didn't deserve it's own thread. It's just specuation from someone with less credibility than half of us posters.

@mikerodak: Im told Tyrod Taylor turned down more from Broncos to sign w/ Bills. Its a 3-year deal that voids to 2 years if he emerges as starter. I know it's all about our QB situation - but how often do you hear someone turn down more money from the Denver Broncos to join the Bills?

Bo Levi is apparently quite content being a big fish in a small pond.

I don't think it's a matter of him receiving "no interest" from any NFL team. I think it's a matter of him having no interest in starting from the bottom. This from the Calgary Sun article announcing his extension leads me to believe that may be the case: http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/03/03/calgary-stampeders-sign-bo-levi-mitchell-through-to-2018-sources

Can we please stop with the "you cut Chandler without Clay a sure thing!" narrative. The two moves aren't mutually exclusive. Whaley cut Chandler because he doesn't fit the new offense as well as the old, was making too much money, and his stats dropped off some last year. If we miss out on Clay, Gresham is still an upgrade over Chandler. If they can't get either, Zach Miller is still out there and is a better fit here than Scott Chandler. And if they can't get any of the 3 - they'll draft someone they'll feel better about than Chandler. Nothing about cutting Scott Chandler makes anyone look dumb regardless of what happens in FA. New England signed him as a #2 - which is what he would have been practically anywhere else.

Jermaine Gresham is still an upgrade over Scott Chandler. Maybe they swing a trade for Vernon Davis. Perhaps they'll take the money they were going to give Clay and put it into a Guard like Evan Mathis or Jarhi Evans in a trade. Either way - there are other options available and i'm sure they have a Plan B.

I can confidently say Jermaine Gresham is an upgrade over Scott Chandler. Especially for Roman's offense.

@NBCdianna: Multiple sources say it's not over until Percy Harvin signs. Told "he will probably wind up in Buffalo but SF is trying" #Bills #49ers Just shutup Dianna

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/13/harvin-isnt-backing-out-of-deal-with-bills/