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https://sports.yahoo.com/hefty-price-cardinals-reportedly-want-192451574.html If there is a team willing to pay a "Christian McCaffrey" level deal - it most certainly won't be us. Initial reports that they were looking for a Cooks level deal or less was surely what made us look into it. But if all this is true that they've since jacked their price up to even higher than before, that's it for us It's been said we were interested "at the right price". This isn't that.

Certainly hoping for sooner. But as I said in the post above, it seems like they're currently sticking to their guns and hoping to get more leverage. Which to me will only come after WR needy teams miss their targets in the Draft.

Again - he said he expects it but only if Arizona drops their price. That's no guarantee. Article from Bleacher Report yesterday says they're waiting for leverage, which logic would say waiting until after teams have missed out on WR's in the Draft and are more desperate. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10069916-report-cardinals-broncos-waiting-for-leverage-in-deandre-hopkins-jerry-jeudy-trade

That's cherry picking and hearing what you want to hear. He said he expects it in the near future BUT Arizona has to come down from their price tag to do it. Which means it won't happen in the near future if they refuse to. Everything since yesterday has pointed to this. They want a 2nd plus more and they don't want to pay any more on the deal than they're already on the hook for. Currently, no team in the league is willing to do that. Surely us included. So until that happens, if it happens - we won't be making a move for him.

Again, you're speaking in absolutes in situations you don't know about. Who's to say Quentin Johnson, Jordan Addison, or JSN won't hit the ground running like Justin Jefferson did? No one expected Jefferson to be a stud and especially not that quickly, but it happened. How do you know a 1st Round Pick won't be able to put up the numbers Hopkins can at this point in his career?

Even if that's true, which I think many would argue isn't - after all Von and Donald pretty much were the reason LA won the Super Bowl the year before we signed him, that doesn't change the fact that the move was made. That massive contracts have been doled out to him, Josh, and Diggs (as well as Tre, Milano, Dion, and others). And now we're in a position where we may not be able to swing it. Simple as that. If Beane determines he can't do it financially, it is what it is. You can whine about it all you want. You can say "f the future". You're not the GM. And again, if it's really as big of a no brainer and as simple as you want to make it - some team would have traded for him by now. And the last thing we heard is NO team in the entire league is currently willing to. That says all I need to know. If it can happen, it will happen. If it doesn't happen, it couldn't. Regardless of how you want to spin it.

You mean like going out and getting Von Miller just last season on a 6 year 120 million dollar deal? Or trading for Stefon Diggs? He has made big swings. He also had to give Josh Allen a huge contract. We cannot afford to do big swings every single year. We can't afford to constantly push the cap credit further and further down the road. I hope this happens. I really do. I hope there's a way it can work. But if Beane determines he can't, and apparently right now EVERY single team in the league feels the same, then we can't.

The harm is that as much as you'd like to think trading for Hopkins means we're automatically handed a Lombardi, that's no guarantee. We'll have him for 2 years and be paying him for 5. And if it doesn't work, we've screwed ourselves further on the cap for 3 more seasons where we'll have to lose players we can't afford to keep.

I'm almost sure it's not the picks, it's the money. Arizona is only doing this as a salary dump. I don't think Beane wants to take on the full cap hits for 23 and 24 or even can even if he wanted to. And I don't think he's interested in paying millions for 3 years after his contract is over.

We will if it means we're costing ourselves players we can't afford to re-sign for a guy who hasn't been on the team in 3 years. And you might not care. But that doesn't matter. If that report that no team in the league is willing to pill the trigger, that means the demand from Arizona is by definition currently totally outrageous. As is this idea that DHop automatically equates to a Super Bowl win. It's not that simple.

If the last bit of info being sent out is any indication - there is NO team in the NFL willing to meet Arizona's demands AND pay for Hopkins' deal. So you may think it isn't outrageous. But apparently, every single team in the league does. It's clear you don't care what it takes. You've said you'd give up a 1st Rounder and add 3 dummy years to the deal which will have us paying millions long after he's off the team. But Beane and the entire league doesn't agree with that. Or else a deal would already be done.

Yes, I'm aware. I posted the original video. I was simply compiling all 3 that came out today as the most recent info - all of which pointing to Arizona's asking price being untenable at the moment and it not being an issue with Hopkins himself.

I don't think Hopkins is holding anything up. Seems to be all on Arizona's end. Today I've seen three things that point to this - This video from a Bills Beat Reporter in Rochester stating the people he's asked have said that we're interested "at the right price". If it were the right price right now, it would be consummated: This article from Bleacher Report stating Arizona is waiting for leverage over needy teams - which they wouldn't be saying if the offers they were getting met their demands: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10069916-report-cardinals-broncos-waiting-for-leverage-in-deandre-hopkins-jerry-jeudy-trade And lastly, the most recent thing, a tweet from a KC beat reporter saying KC is out as is the rest of the league. Which reads to me like teams started calling over the past couple days, but didn't like what Arizona was asking:

I think if we don't hear anything following the league meetings, it's probably not happening or at least not until the Draft or after. Seems Arizona is content on waiting until they get the offer they want.

He's old, but he's still playing at a high level and it'd just be a 1 year deal so I'm not really worried about age. Just a 1 year stop gap to be an upgrade from Jordan Phillips.

I think they're hesitant to restructure Tre. We could get out from under his contract after this season if he were to not return to form or regress and they may want to leave that option open. But I'd agree to extending DaQuan and/or Ed to make things easier this year.

It doesn't seem like Arizona wants to pay anything more than they have to, which is one of the hold ups. This trade is a salary dump to them. It's the only reason they want to do it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10069916-report-cardinals-broncos-waiting-for-leverage-in-deandre-hopkins-jerry-jeudy-trade It seems this isn't going to go away anytime soon. I know we all got excited and it seemed like "things were heating up". But reading the tea leaves today, it seems Arizona is in no hurry and is playing hardball. They could be waiting until after the Draft and trying to squeeze teams that missed out on WR's like Addison, JSN, and Johnson that need another solid WR for everything they can get.

It doesn't say a trade is out. It says no one is in right now. Which one could easily read as things were heating up, teams were calling, and Arizona countered with more than anyone was offering and no one is interested anymore at that price. It was said by Dan Fetes from WHAM13 Rochester in a video posted today that the sources he talked to said we were interested "for the right price". Which falls in line with that. Very easily we could be in a situation right now where we made an offer, they want more, and Beane is sticking to his guns - as is the rest of the league.

Exactly. Taking in all the info and thinking critically has been thrown by the wayside in favor of pure emotion of just wanting him here. Don't try saying all could be true or we don't know what's true and what isn't. And don't dare try to imply the flight to Arizona could be for the Owner's Meeting this weekend in Arizona.

As I said in an earlier post, all things can be true. Things could have been heating up. And since then, Arizona has asked for more than what's offered and everyone's out. You're free to believe what you want to believe. But this is a message board. If I make a point, I'm not going to freak out if someone responds with a counterpoint questioning the logic in it.

Exactly. He's just as reputable. And let's be honest - neither is a Schefter, Rappaport, Florio, Glazer, etc. And it's always possible that both are right. That Wilson was correct when he posted what he posted but since then Arizona has countered with things no one around the league is interested in. Take all info and analyze it. It just bothers me when fans get so worked up that they'll throw critical thinking out the window and will only listen to the things they want to hear and try and smear anything else simply because it's not what they want to hear.

I can't understand accepting the things you want to hear from one person being true and then discounting things you don't want to hear from someone else who's just as reputable as false. Aaron Wilson is a verified beat reporter for the Texans. Soren Petro is a verified beat reporter for the Chiefs. If you accept one as definitively true, you shouldn't discount the other as definitively false. I understand wanting this to happen. But fans need to look at things analytically instead of just emotionally.

In the video I posted from Dan Fetes a couple pages back, one thing that sticks out to me is that the people he talked to said that we're interested in DHop "For the Right Price" I hope I'm wrong. But that wording to me screams that the price right now doesn't fit. And Beane is the type of guy to set a price tag and stick to it. If that's the case, we have another Zach Ertz situation on our hands where AZ comes around to our price at some point, or it's not happening.

Can't speak for them, but I get the feeling he's talking in absolutes because he wants to make the flight to Arizona mean more than the obvious of what it truly is.