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Wild this guy keeps getting opportunities based entirely on measurables and Combine performance. I don't know how he even got invited to the Combine with his collegiate resume: https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/transactions/packers-give-chance-to-former-d-iii-player-with-meager-history

I would reserve "trash" for people who are actual criminals and menaces to society. Not for players who act out about issues with coaching. Even then, I wouldn't be going around calling people literal "trash". That's pretty damn hateful. And really unnecessary in this situation. Chill out.

What is your major malfunction? He skipped a Day of Minicamp in June and Voluntary workouts and you're calling him "trash" in threads and taking every opportunity to take personal shots at the guy. Take a friggin' breather, man.

I posted last night in the Diggs thread that if 24/7 Sports and Social Media were a thing in the 90's - this would look like nothing in comparison.

He's actually an intriguing prospect and it's unfortunate to see him be put on IR. I figured him to be good insurance in the event they decided to try and sneak Quintin Morris on the Practice Squad and couldn't. He's a 6'7" Tight End that Minnesota drafted in the 5th Round in 2021 and moved on from after only one season. We brought him in after they released him and has been a Practice Squad, Futures guy since September of last year.

Oh, so now he excused him from practice yesterday? Hilarious. Sounds like Beane or Pegula put McDermott in his place for what he said yesterday and told him "you better fix it".

Judging from yesterday's posts, there's probably a lot of people upset he showed up today bc they loved being justified in being able to talk trash about Diggs.

I love the older posters who like to compare situations like these to experiences in their own jobs, as if it's even REMOTELY applicable.

Only Diggs himself or the people running the Bills IG account would know if he blocked them. There's no way for anyone else to know.

If 24/7 Sports and Social Media were a thing back in "The Bickering Bills" days - this would look like nothing in comparison.

I don't think it has anything to do with Josh, beyond him not going against Dorsey's game plan when things weren't working in the Cinci game. Ultimately, I think it's between him and McDermott and maybe Dorsey. I think McDermott probably strong handed Diggs when he arrived because of his actions and it re-opened old wounds and he peaced out for the day. The thing that really has me thinking it's a McDermott thing is that he consistently lies to the press or downplays things to specifically not cause distractions. He could have easily said that Diggs arrived but then was excused for the rest of the day for personal reasons. He specifically chose to throw him under the bus. That's very out of character for McDermott and speaks to a personal issue to me.

It would do the opposite. It would send a message that we're worried about Diggs and may be looking to eat the dead cap and move on. Digg's problem isn't that the team isn't doing enough to win. It's presumably to do with the coaching. Specifically, game planning away from him in both the KC Championship Game and the Cinci Divisional playoff exits. If anything, the problems with Diggs right now makes Hopkins even more unlikely. It would send the wrong message to Diggs and the media. And if they're feeling a headache from 1 Top WR right now, they may not want to take on another who has his own set of Diva behavior (specifically when it comes to practice habits). Also, if Diggs is worried about his targets, bringing in Hopkins on top of everything else would exacerbate that. So, yeah, signing Hopkins does nothing for the situation we're in that would help. It would do the opposite. Which is probably another reason why we haven't pursued him with any urgency.

Do you think it's also unacceptable how the Cincinnati game went? That even after it became clear what we were doing Offensively wasn't working, that the coaches and Josh refused to change anything and just let the trouncing continue and snowball? I think looking at it in a vacuum and just saying Stefon was wrong and blaming it all on him is the wrong way of looking at it. He could have handled it better. But in my opinion, the team could have handled both what led up to it better and could be handling this better now.

I think this could be what it's all about. McDermott wants him to apologize for what he did and he feels that the reason behind his actions were justified. And honestly, I agree with him. Ultimately, I think both were right. Stefon could have handled it better. But he wasn't wrong in his frustration. In both Playoff exits in back to back years, the game plan was use Diggs as a Decoy. And in the Cinci game in particular, it clearly wasn't working and both Allen and Dorsey refused to change the game plan when it wasn't working. Was it unacceptable how he acted? Yes. But was it also unacceptable that we were getting absolutely TROUNCED by Cinci with the game plan we had and then didn't make changes. Absolutely!

Ultimately, whether it was Diggs who attacked McDermott or McDermott who attacked Diggs leading to his walkout - to me it seems pretty clear that the issue is with coaching and McDermott isn't here for it. I was just watching NFL Live and Ryan Clark said "whatever happened to good ole' fashioned lying?". That thought has stuck with me. McDermott time and again lies to the press. He does whatever it takes to downplay things and avoid distraction. But this time, he chose to do the opposite. His doing so even led to his agent publicly stating confusion as to why he said it the way he did. To me, it's clear. He made a choice to throw Stef under the bus for whatever reason. So there's a disconnect between Stef and McD right now. And again, on one hand I understand wanting control of your team and for your players to fall in line. On the other, Stef reported and was ready to roll. Why be heavy handed in a delicate situation if you can avoid it?

I don't know for sure what's going on. But the fact that he showed up and then left, combined with Josh's words - I wonder if the following is what happened... McDermott let sleeping dogs lie after the Playoff game. Gave him space and didn't talk to him about it during the Offseason. Then when Stefon arrived, McDermott started playing "Look at me, I'm the captain" with him. Telling him it was unacceptable, maybe even asking him to apologize publicly to the team... something of that nature. This reopened old wounds and made him say "F this, I'm going home". Totally speculating, of course. But the fact that he showed up and then left says to me something happened after he arrived that ticked him off. And my guess is it was someone, most likely McDermott coming down on him. McDermott then making it public could have been a further flex of power on him. He could have just said "Stef was here but he was excused for the day for a personal issue". But instead he chose to make it a spectacle. Stef's agent saying "I don't know why McDermott said that" leads me to believe it was McDermott further saying "my way or the highway". Ultimately, a coach should have total control over his team. So in a sense, I understand it if this is what's going on. On the other, it's worrisome if McDermott is choosing to be heavy handed with a delicate situation when it could have just been swept under the rug for now. Again, only speculating.

The "Create another DeAndre Hopkins thread without mentioning DeAndre Hopkins" challenge.

Yes, it's more likely than not Hopkins would have better stats. It's not a guarantee though. No one knows how either would work with Josh. But that doesn't change the fact that he already signed Harty to a contract worth 5 this season that would cost more to cut him than keep him. He also spent a 1st and a 4th on a Big Slot WR. He's not looking at those guys and thinking "unproven, better go get Hopkins" like you and others are. He went out and got them because he has a role for them here. Beane isn't going to pay big money for Hopkins. There's a reason he's visiting Tennessee and New England and he hasn't signed with us already. Beane has a price he's willing to pay (if he's made an offer at all) and he's not sweating whether or not Hopkins comes around to it or not. Because he's a luxury at this point.

In targets? No, probably not. But if he proves to be a consistent speed deep threat for Josh, it's not completely insane to think he'd surpass Davis in yardage. And if that role comes to fruition in conjunction with Knox and Kincaid and Diggs as WR1 - Davis could become more of an afterthought anyways. Harty may or may not be a guy to step over Davis if he begins to faulter. But the way he's a complete and total nothing and an afterthought to you and other posters isn't fair. He's a player that Beane targeted in the 1st Wave of Free Agency and one of the few players he actually paid some money for outside of the minimum. He didn't do that to be completely buried on the Depth Chart and with fears of what he brings to the table. Between him and Dalton and then Trent and Shorter on the bottom of the depth chart with what we already have, he's done a lot and built his pass catching core the way he liked. That's why we're not going balls to the wall for Hopkins. He isn't the need here that he is on most other teams. That's fine that's what you want. But, again, the fact is that Beane targeted him very early in Free Agency is one of the select few he actually paid some money for. He didn't do that thinking "not a known commodity". It means that Beane thinks he is a player worth acquiring and paying that for. Whether or not you think he was worth it or is a good player is a mute point.

He is the most realistic chance. But Harty's contract raised a lot of fans eyebrows. And looking into him and the contract he was given, it's pretty clear that us and other teams looked at his 2021 campaign and saw a player that in his first and only opportunity to get any sort of reps as a WR instead of just a KR - proved to be a fairly consistent deep threat on an average offense with an average QB. Is it likely that Harty will become a Superstar? I wouldn't say for sure he will. But with Josh Allen throwing him the ball instead of Jameis Winston on an offense with the other playmakers we have? I don't think you can say there is no chance. And I think fans that are completely writing him off as a nothing signing are misinformed or wanting to discount him because they'd rather have a shinier toy.

How am I moving the goal posts here? I was replying to HappyDays saying "Many of us simply aren't comfortable relying on Davis to once again be the #2 target share in this passing offense which is what he currently projects to be" by saying that he already might not be that. Nothing he or I said had anything to do with last year. You just like to argue things that have little to nothing to do with what i'm talking about and then say i'm "moving the goal posts" when I explain what you're saying doesn't even fit the conversation. I'm saying that Hopkins is the shiny toy everyone wants because they've "heard of him" and all the moves Beane has made and the players who have already been stated to get more reps are sh-t on and discounted to be worthless players by posters who want to justify that Hopkins is a need and not just a want.

I love how everyone who was added or is expected to get a bigger role is discounted as nothing to justify the urgency that Beane should have for every posters "i've heard of him" shiny toy. Dalton Kincaid (traded up for and selected in Round 1, getting rave reviews in OTA's) - "Can't rely on a Rookie" Deonte Harty (had 1 season being used as a WR regularly and showed potential) - "Hasn't done anything most of his career, injury prone, never heard of him" Khalil Shakir (showed a lot of promise as an underused Rookie) - "Didn't impress me as a Rookie" Trent Sherfield (coming off his best season as a solid #3 in Miami) - "Just a guy, never heard of him" It's not just Kincaid though. We signed Harty to a larger than expected contract as a deep threat and insurance for Davis. And then he traded up to Draft Kincaid to provide further insurance. Sherfield, a bonified #3 that Miami players were very upset to see go, was also added. Shakir showed promise as a Rookie and McBeane have gone on record to say he'll get more opportunities in Year 2. And that's on top of having Diggs on the other side, Knox at TE, and Cook and Hines as pass catching Backs. Fans may have trepidations about who's a sure thing in their eyes and who isn't. But these are the moves that Beane made. He didn't trade up in Round 1 for a guy that he felt wasn't ready. He didn't give Harty a 10 million dollar, 2 year contract thinking "he's unproven". Both guys were brought in to play roles and quite possibly big ones. .... no one was talking about last year.

That's because you and others are focusing too hard on the technical labels of position. "WR2" doesn't mean he's definitely going to be the "#2 Target Share of the Passing Game". And it actually doesn't even mean he's WR2. He's just Outside WR 2. On many teams, the Slot WR is Option 1 or 2. Who is the "#1 Target Share of the Passing Game" in Kansas City? Travis Kelce. What's his technical listed position? TE. What position does he actually play? Slot WR. We traded up in the 1st Round to Draft a player that our analytics guy's metrics had as the best pure hands regardless of position in the past EIGHT Drafts. Yes, he's technically a TE. But he's a big slot WR and that's what he'll be playing here. Dalton Kincaid is a TE like Von Miller and Leonard Floyd are LB's. Deonte Harty had 1 opportunity where he was called into actual action outside of being a KR, in 2021 because of injuries. In a limited role with an average QB, he hauled in 36 catches for 570 yards and showed untapped potential as a deep threat with great speed and elusiveness. This led to him having a market as teams saw him as a potential star if given more opportunities and us handing him a 2 year, 9.5m dollar contract. In conjunction with players like Dawson Knox, Khalil Shakir in Year 2, Trent Sherfield coming off a good year as a #3 WR (and being asked to do even less here), and pass catching RB's like James Cook and Nyheim Hines - our passing game has many options outside of Stefon Diggs and Gabe Davis. This has led to NFL.com ranking us as the #3 Offense in the NFL: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-s-top-10-offenses-in-2023-bills-chiefs-eagles-produce-highest-win-share-proj Long story short, this idea that we need to worry about Gabe Davis being our #2 is EXTREMELY overblown. WR isn't the only pass catching option on the field and Gabe Davis isn't the only WR we have outside of Diggs. And him being the technical #2 Outside WR doesn't mean he's going to be Josh's #2 pass catching option. With the investments we made in Kincaid, Harty, and others with what we already had in house, Beane has provided weaponry that takes pressure off of both Diggs and Davis, as well as insurance in the event that Davis didn't just have an injury ridden, bad 1st year as a Starter. This is why DeAndre Hopkins, while it would be nice to have him, isn't the must have you and other posters make him out to be. He's a luxury at this point and that's why there isn't the urgency or need to get him at all costs from Beane. If he chooses to come here at our price, wonderful. If he doesn't, we still have a loaded Offense ranked Top 5 in the league.

That's the same thing I said. I never said they can pull you over and search your car for no reason. The OP was questioning how they could have searched Frank Clark's bag and found the Uzi during a traffic stop for a vehicle violation and stated "that's not how it works" when told they can when they believe they have probable cause to search.

Obviously, when he was talking about the QB's he wanted to play with - he was talking about them in the sense that their front office was also paying him the most amount of money available. Ryan Tannehill/Will Levis and Mac Jones are a FAR cry from the caliber of guys he talked about all offseason.