Nephilim17

Very disappointed that Legette is gone. But I have to hope Beane knows more than me and some Englishman who stays up till 5 am to watch the draft. Seriously, who knows. It may work. And if it backfires, many of us will get what we want: a reset in the front office.

KC was GOING TO GET SPEED WR ANYWAY: Worthy, Legette, or Mitchell. So all this drama is a little much. Who knows if any of those three guys will be good let alone great. And they were going to get one of them. They need a WR and they want speed. We couldn't stop them from taking one and they might have taken Worthy without the trade anyways. Relax.

Sounds and is nuts but I guess Beane really wants that 5th contract year for a first rounder.

Legette, Worthy and Mitchell all there... I want XL.

So what doest the chart say a trade-up to 23 is worth?

I would have supported any move up because I'm a Bills fan but I'm glad the top 3 are gone and we have our top picks this year and next.

Happy Birthday, OP! I feel pretty good about today. Yes, the Bills could draft a Whitner, but lots of options for WR and possibly Latu makes me feel about 75% confident we'll be good today.

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Don't remember hearing that. Not a lot of young receivers can help in the run game. That's yet another reason to wait at 28 or even trade down a few spots (maybe; not sure if it's worth the risk) for Legette. I wouldn't be opposed to a small move up for Thomas but keeping our picks and getting Legette is what I'm hoping for.

Marino made some interesting points: Negative: A lot of third-round value, in his estimation and he put in the work, but no third round pick. Positive: The distribution of talent aligns a lot with Bills needs. Board-meltdown: He doesn't like a lot of edge rushers after the first round so given the depth of WR in this class, he can see the reasoning behind taking an edge guy in the first and WR later. Here is his board. It's notable not for particular names but to see the depth, or lack thereof, at certain positions and what kind of depth of round value for each position. If you have a hard time reading it, dark blue is top of round 1, light blue is bottom half of round one, green is round 2, yellow is round 3, orange round 4/5 and red is round 6/7.

Samuels will be a more consistent player than Davis.

If we need a boundary receiver and McConkey, as great as he is, has short arms and doesn't have the size to play outside, what is the reason for adding yet another slot specialist to this team? We have Shakir, Kincaid and Samuels with a lot of slot experience. If McConkey can't be a viable outside guy, why even bother? Are you gonna rest Shakir to play McConkey? And if so, who is the other outside guy? I know a lot of you think he can play outside but he's small with short arms and that does not bode well.

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I think the "dark horse" is Samuels. People talk like we need a number one and number two WR but I think Samuels will be a productive number two for the next couple years.

What's the downside to Legette saying the Panthers said they'll take him at 33 if he's there? He's drumming up interest in the market and trying to dispel rumors he will slide in the second. And as people have said, he wants another team to take him. I don't understand why that's dumb, unless it's going against the code of "you don't share what teams tell you to the media," if that's a thing. But if my career and life were on the line, I'd be looking out for my best interests, not some random bad team's best interests.

Throw and complete? Zero. I've been playing pickup football 25 years and I suck at throwing. It's has to be genetic after all this time. That said, I think I could catch a couple balls. Not survive at hit by anyone over 170 lb (and even then, who knows) but I know I could catch a few balls I've seen very occasionally dropped in the NFL. EDIT: Zone coverage. I know I couldn't beat any NFL corner in man at any time.

Beyond the stem cell stuff, Murray has chosen to raise his family in the Buffalo area and is still here even thought he's not signed with the Bills. He also said, at first, his new role last year of just blocking was "frustrating" but he learned to embrace it and would come back. “I grew. I truly grew mentally from that,” he said. “It’s easy for me to sit here and be in my feelings and feel a certain way. I had to look at a friend of mine -- and he and I have never talked about this -- I look at a Jet McKinnon and from the outside looking in, Jet was running the ball and now man, he only goes in on third down. And he’s been with the Kansas City Chiefs and he has two Super Bowl rings. “So me as an observer I’m looking back and saying man, this guy humbled himself to be a part of something bigger. I took from that. He’s a little bit younger than me (31), but I took from that. Because I want what he has.” For an 11th year vet to still be growing and evolving is pretty cool. Good guy.

Sorry to belabor the point, but are you suggesting we don't make the playoffs without Diggs? And with his salary freed up to pay any number of other players? If so, I think that's ridiculous. If I have the wrong take, apologies, and I'll go back to my vodka and Joy Division.

My point is if Diggs wasn't there, everyone does not simply get bumped up from 4 to 3, from 3 to 2 and 2 to 1. Without Diggs 2022 salary on the books Beane would've had another player in Digg's place. I maintain another player with the same or less money could have helped us make the playoffs. And get quite possibly get more than Digg's 8 targets, 3 receptions and 21 yards in our final playoff game that year.

Yes, yes, I think we would have made the playoffs with a "lesser' player who got 900 or 1000 yards a year instead of Steph's 1200, 1400, 1200 yard seasons. Josh would have spread the ball around more. See 2023 second half of the season as proof. I'm not saying if you totally take Steph away with the remaining players we make the playoffs; but without his very large salary an additional WR would have taken his place. Let's see what we do this year. I don't think we miss Steph all that much. I think a lot of guy will have inflated stats with Josh if they are starting.

At this point, I don't give e damn how many regular season yards a Bills WR gets — so long as we make the playoffs. Steff had 65 yards total for his LAST THREE PLAYOFF GAMES COMBINED. Not enough by a long, long shot. So who cares about his over 3,800 regular season yards the last three seasons.

Josh on Steph's exit: "I shared a text with him and got one back, and just thanking him for everything that he did for me and always have a spot in my heart for him. And I'll always love that guy like a brother. And I wish him nothing but the best." This, to me, is very, very telling. Josh does take the classy high road and claims he will always "love that guy like a brother"... But... he merely texted Steph to say thanks, goodbye and all the best. No phone call. No get-together, just a text. The choice of a text to say goodbye speaks volumes to me as to how they are no longer (were they ever?) really close. And Josh's follow-up comments on being a better leader are also telling: "I think it's an opportunity for myself to grow as a leader. And to bring along some of these young guys and new guys that we've brought into our team. And that's an opportunity, frankly, that I'm very excited about. It's something that's going to be very challenging, but I'm very willing to do it." I personally believed Steph assumed the alpha role on the team's offense and Josh deferred to Steph. It was my hope that with Steph gone that Josh could then take the alpha role and it looks like that's his plan. I think this aspect of the trade will be a huge element in our success going forward — Josh will take no ***** from any WR and he will be the one barking orders and telling other players what to do, how it is. He will no longer feel compelled to ensure a high number of targets to a player who feels "senior" to him. I guarantee you we will never again see another player yelling at Josh during a game and Josh looking away like a scolded child. Never. And I believe we will spread the ball around a lot more going forward, and this is a good thing. Part of if is just maturation but I honestly thought Josh was too deferential to Steph in the past. Josh being the leader on offense will be huge for him and this team.

Interesting that when he discussed WR traits he mentioned YAC. It wasn't in reference to any specific guy but I sense that's important, especially given how little YAC Bills WRs have had the past few years. This comment/concept combined with more I read about Mitchell the less I think he's in play. Legette over Mitchell if we pick at 28 or in the 2nd. Not where I was a few weeks ago, but that's my uneducated guess.

Marino said here, and in other podcasts, that Mitchell has a lot of red flags: inconsistent effort, not good with YAC, someone (college coach?) called him "uncoachable" and I think in another podcast that he has trouble with man coverage. Plus his type 1 diabetes that impacts him too (mood?) so I think he's not for Buffalo. I think a small trade up for Thomas, or Legette at 28 or a small trade down and take Legette in the 2nd makes sense. Whispers about his lack of intelligence? How many times has a player had this knock only to excel at NFL football (CJ Stroud, as a recent example). I don't want any poor-effort or difficult personalities drafted up high.

The whole team and organization must be feeling relief right now. The single biggest person-related stressor is gone. As a Bills fan I now feel like I'm swimming in my own shark and gator-free lake by myself and I can pee freely and just enjoy the sun and the water... Hell, I could drop a deuce in the water and it's all cool.