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I think Carter being a Beane bust is a large part of the griping.

Asante is a legitimately good DB.

He’s a good situational rusher with flaws. It’s the reason McBeane continues to bring him back but also the reason they have avoided paying him ever. They know what they have.

Poorly disciplined in gap integrity. A true defensive freelancer. allowed him to make splash plays, but also fail spectacularly out of position. He’s like the anti-Rousseau. High variance, poor run defender, but can flash significantly rushing the passer.

Making as many correct decisions as possible is their job though.

There’s nothing wrong with bringing back cheap scheme fits that give you a baseline competency heading into camp. Its going into cut downs and bringing them in after spending 3 draft picks and a big FA that’s the problem

Bizarre and disheartening to acquire like 6-7 IDL in the past two offseasons and still need to go back to the JP well.

I did. Relative athletic score is based on the relative athletes at a players position group. Which is why 90% of your post is talking about the discrepancy in the numbers. Because Ciarlo is an LB and Hamlin is a DB. As for the last line, RAS is based on position group because I imagine they want to base players who all have the same general responsibilities. There are things you need your DBs to do that you don’t necessarily need your LBs to do and viceversa. Its not a perfect system but nothing is perfect.

Spencer Brown wasn’t a high RAS specimen because they were comparing him to WRs my man.

Shenault offers nothing. He’s gone

Very cool. The Pats played a game where they threw the ball 3 times and beat us. Does everyone on our defense suck?

Hamlin is making the team and likely going to start my guy.

He is probably gonna make the Hall of Fame if he stays healthy and plays another 6 years.

I don’t think that’s true. Rashee Rice and Xavier Worthy are probably better/worth more than any first or second round skill position players we have ever taken. But that’s not a long list, because we don’t take them. i wouldn’t call them abysmal, at all. Skyy Moore is no more abysmal than Cody Ford or Boogie Basham. Some guys just don’t work out. I get what you are saying about the Bills deciding to go get another first round corner because their last first round corner sucked. But the Chiefs do that too. Skyy Moore in the second sucked, so they went and drafted Rashee in the second. They had next to no outside guys, so after a pretty good rookie year with Rashee, they went back to the WR well in the 1st. Teams drafting players because their previously drafted players sucked isn’t a unique Bills thing. The unique Bills thing is that they basically exclude WR from that process. And as much as I agree, that the Bills needed to restock their defensive cupboard, they can still manage to do both. Did we need to take a 3rd DL in the fourth round instead of a decent WR prospect? Was that going to make or break things? Who knows. Maybe Walker is the next great IDL. But philosophically, there’s just something off with how they handle the WR position, and imo it’s only gotten worse since Diggs.

The list of old vets and new vets are basically the same caliber of player outside of Bosa. Which is the whole point. Do I expect a wildly upgraded CB pairing if Tre White starts in Rasul Douglas’ position? I don’t. Ditto for basically everyone on that list. which is why the improvement is going to have to come from the rookies.

both got AP nods during their primes here. its kind of funny, but that era of Bills defense was really built on the back 7. A strong DL making everyone better is what everyone talks about, but that defense was built on having Poyer, Hyde, Taron, White, and Milano on the backend so guys like Trent Murphy and Mario Addison could get to QBs. That type of strategy may have its downsides, but our defense was elite adjacent solely because our back 7 was elite.

The “fall back plans” are all guys I wouldn’t expect to make the defense better over the course of the season, except for Bosa if he can stay healthy. So really, outside of Bosa, the improvement on the defense needs to come from the rookies. But we can’t expect that. So we should expect the same caliber of defense unless Bosa reverts back to a top 5 EDGE and stays healthy all the year.

If the Bills ever get 3 championships, I think we will all be more forgiving of a few misses.

100% a second for an older productive player vs a third for a guy who is on his last stop before out of the league?

I mean that’s kind of dirty pool, right? We went defense heavy in the draft, I thought, because we really need a defensive impact NOW. We drafted Coleman and Bishop because we had massive holes at WR and S NOW, and needed them to contribute, right? But you also say, we need to be patient with these rookies. So are we expecting not much improvement in the defense from the 2025 rookie class? If the defense is the near worst in the league in 3rd down % again, and generally mediocre in most stats, will we need another entire rookie class to start to contribute maybe in 2028?

You are still missing that the Chiefs have targeted the WR position much more than the Bills in the draft. The Bills choose to try, and sometimes fail, drafting defensive positions as a priority. And when they fail, instead of chasing WRs, they go first round CB, again. That’s a clear underprioritization of WR. You are also missing that Josh Allen had pretty small cap hits for the past 5 years. Heck, our GM felt very comfortable paying Diggs massive through 2026 with his extension that we ate a ton of dead money to get out of. Now, it’s a money issue? I don’t buy it.

Not really. KC has drafted way more WRs since Mahomes became Mahomes. They haven’t hit on all of them, because no one does. Drafted players aren’t a cost issue. Beane eschews the position, even in the draft. Philly with their dark cap magic is managing to pay 2 WRs and their QB. But they have probably the most aggressive owner in the league, so that’s not Beane’s fault.

Beane used to invest significantly in WR but basically stopped since the Diggs trade. I think there’s an argument he felt burned by having a star #1 WR.

even worse, he traded out of the first round and gave KC Worthy to get that pick to take Carter. another disastrous KC trade

Allen didn’t recognize that either