Billz4ever

Geez, we paid Saffold $6M to come in and stink up the joint. This is where we were last year. Better across the board. LT Dion Dawkins | 77.5 LG Ike Boettger | 59.8 C Mitch Morse | 63.8 RG Daryl Williams | 67.5 RT Spencer Brown | 62.5

Jones is the easily the best interior lineman we have on this roster as a 4th round pick. It's pretty clear Ed has never and probably will never live up to his draft position. He's a liability against the run because he's undersized and often can't shed his blocks. Obvious passing downs are the only times I like seeing him in there.

For an interior D-lineman, he's undersized. He's often unable to shed blockers and gets pushed around against the run. Obvious passing downs are the only place he's decently effective. I'm guessing we were hoping for more than just a situational player when we took him 9th overall.

You ain't lying.

Sounds good to me. Saffold wasn't much of anything, nevermind a Mauler. Saffold reminds me more of a speed bump.

Home: Dolphins, Patriots, Jets, Broncos, Raiders, Cowboys, Giants, Buccaneers, Jaguars Away: Chiefs, Chargers, Dolphins, Patriots, Jets, Eagles, Bengals, Commanders With this schedule and the possibilities of Division opponents upgrading at the QB position with proven QB's, I don't see it being an easy path.

I'm less worried about getting specific with names, I'm more inclined to comment on the type of players we need. We need a couple maulers on this line. I've heard the word "soft" used to describe us in the trenches on both sides of the ball far too many times now.

Disagree. If you can't get up for a game 2 removed from the Super Bowl, then you're just there collecting a paycheck. They "ran out of gas" because Cincy marched right down the field on their first 2 drives and scored a TD, while we went 3 and out on our first two. That let all the wind out of their sails. It was clearly evident from the first play, Frazier changed nothing from the Monday night game that started the same way. Cincy decided they were going to take Diggs out of the game and make someone else beat us, and combined with the pressure they were able to get on Josh with a 4 and even a 3-man rush, it was clear pretty quickly we weren't winning that game. Without improvements to the O-Line, giving Josh a true WR2, and getting more physical up front on the D-Line, this team is in trouble.

Scary thought, but maybe Kromer is the main reason this line worked at all this season with the talent, or lack thereof that's there. Kromer may have been making lemonade out of lemons all season and he's getting blamed now for the line looking bad, when he had them playing over their heads much of the season.

OK, again sounds great. Who's the team trading us this guy who doesn't know what they have and who do you have in mind?

We also have to decide on what kind of running team we are. You can use almost any game as an example, whether it's game we ran the ball well or games we didn't. The O-Line is not good at sustaining blocks, so the running plays that are quick...snap, back gets the ball and bam, hits the hole and gets up field is how we had success running. The line isn't asked to hold blocks very long. It's the running plays that are slow to develop where we usually get little to nothing because the blockers can't sustain blocks long enough.

Sounds great. Who's the team trading us an All-Pro guard for Ed?

If we didn't have the holes we have on the O-Line and a bunch of underperforming receivers, I'd be all about him, but right now, he'd be considered a want, not a need.

True, but Dorsey is the one calling the plays and Cook, Hines, and Motor are who we have. Are we just going to keep trading/signing/drafting backs we don't use correctly based on their skills or actually start using them based on the reasoning used for getting them in the first place? If they can't even figure this out, I don't know how this team ever wins a championship.

Hines is only a kick returner because Dorsey doesn't seem to have a clue how to use a pass catching RB in the offense. Same with Cook. Why did we trade for Hines or draft a back like Cook in the first place then?

Who else do you trust to return kicks that doesn't scare the s*** out of you?

We've got a pretty brutal schedule next season, especially on the road. We're going to find out pretty quick what this team is made of. With what appears to be them making as few changes as possible, 13 wins next year may be a pipedream. Just making the postseason could be a struggle. Home: Dolphins, Patriots, Jets, Broncos, Raiders, Cowboys, Giants, Buccaneers, Jaguars Away: Chiefs, Chargers, Dolphins, Patriots, Jets, Eagles, Bengals, Commanders

Yep, outcoached is every aspect. So, we stay with all the same coaches. What changes are they going to make from this embarrassment to when we play Cincy next season? It's clear Frazier didn't do anything different from the 1st quarter of the Monday night game. Is this like where you discipline your kid and tell them they made poor decisions and they promise to make better decisions in the future? Frazier is one of the most inflexible coaches I've ever seen. Even when what he's doing clearly isn't working, he's slow to change things up.

This was Groot's 2nd season and we've seen some good improvement from him. Willing to give him more time. Disagree on Ed completely. This was his 4th season and he has totally underperformed his draft position at the 9th overall pick. I'm hoping we can trade him.

True, Daq being out hurt and of course Von, but that still leaves us with Groot, Ed, Shaq, Boog, and AJE (not mentioning Settle or Phillips since we didn't draft them and Phillips was playing with 1 arm). That's a whole lot of first and 2nd round picks right there that got pushed up and down the football field by a backup O-Line. But I certainly agree with you they didn't look like the same team. Oh, how I dream of last year's team with a Von Miller on it and the possibilities if :13 seconds doesn't happen.

So far, the vibes I'm getting are they don't see many big issues and are content with running it back. Getting rid of the safeties coach and possibly Kromer isn't any meaningful change. We still have to see what happens in the draft, but with what I've seen and heard so far, next season scares the s*** out of me. Yes, we sacrifice the guy coaching the position where we were missing one all-pro almost all season and the other all-pro was playing hurt all year. Make it make sense.

I think we will get more bang for the buck with Hines than Singletary given that Hines can return kicks. It would be nice to keep all 3, but don't know if that happens. The first question is what happens if we don't sign Motor and either Cook or Hines gets hurt. Are they going to sign a cheap FA? Draft a RB? The second is why did we bother to trade for Hines or draft a back like Cook if they are never going to get used in the offense like they should be? Earth to Dorsey.

Disagree. We were facing a team with 3/5 of the starting O-line out and we got manhandled. A D-Line should be licking their chops to know they're facing an offense in that kind of situation. The offense struggling was no big surprise. We've seen this offense do this since the 2nd half of the Packers game. When Diggs is our only real threat at receiver and Josh can't get him the ball, that's what's going to happen. You're saying the offense should've been able to win a shootout with them, even though it's obvious their offense has more legit weapons, and our defense had no answer.

Saffold got worse as the season went on. When he said they were out of gas, I believe he was talking about himself. An O-line is like dominos. If one guy is struggling, it's going to impact the rest of the line because they have to compensate for the weak spot. He was just getting abused later in the season and in the Cincy game, was made to look absolutely foolish to the point I was embarrassed for him. He said he wants to stay in Buffalo. Unless it's as a backup at the vet min, hard pass. He didn't come close to earning the $6 million we paid him to come here.

Beane and McD right now...