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Milton always looks good in practice. He looked good at Michigan, looked good at Tenn, and now looks good at NE. Sadly, the problems really begin when he steps on the field in real games.

No, this board is where the player was drafted and by what team. Notice the little Buffalo next to Coleman and Bishop's names? Yellow has to be use extreme caution. Joe Milton is the only player with Yellow and he is a great athlete but a terrible QB.

The problem for me was we dump Diggs who fell from a 70% receiver to 61% after week 6 (66.9% for the season) and let a 53% receiver in Davis walk. He kept his 3 other top receivers Cook (81.5%), Kincaid (80.2%) and Shakir (86.7%) as well as signing Samuel who caught nearly 70% of his targets with a crappy Wash team. If the goal was to have guys who actually catch the football why bring in a guy who in 2 seasons in KC only caught 51.2% of his throws from Mahomes. He was actually was worse in GB with only 49.8% catches with Aaron Rodgers as his QB.

I wrote in the Surprise Cut thread on July 11 that MVS would be cut. The response was swift and angry. The Bills would never cut a guy with a $2.25 mill dead cap hit they said. The truth is MVS is a lousy wr with a career 50% catch percentage. He is Beane’s biggest mistake this summer. He should have never been signed.

On July 11th in the surprise cut thread I said MVS will not make the team and boy I some peoples panties in a wad. Let's say I'm not surprised that opinion on him are shifting in my direction. The guy is a 50% pass receiver for his career. He should never have been signed and paying him 2.25 guaranteed was Beane's biggest mistake this off-season.

He's probably the guy who drafted Mayfield or Darnold over Allen and quite possibly the guy who drafted Zach Wilson 2nd overall

Teams are terrible at contracts. Jax gave Gabe Davis 24 million in guarantees. We gave the ancient Von Miller an absurd contract. The Knox contract was nearly as bad. It's how we got into cap hell in the first place. I'm saying this and I have great respect for Beane. IMHO MVS's contract is one of Beane's mistakes.

Yes contracts matter, but not to Beane this season. Beane cut this off-season White and Diggs among others creating a $61 dead cap charge this season. Beane isn't keeping a guy who doesn't make the team better. We have 7.5 mill in cap space, dumping MVS will leave plenty of cap space to operate this season. This thread is about a surprise cut. Clearly people here would be surprised if Beane cut MVS. However, I'm not one of them. The guy just isn't that good and should have never been signed. Is getting the KC playbook from MVS really worth 2.25? Maybe!

Steve Young. Those pesky MVPs and a Super Bowl win.

Actually the original Taco Mac, when it was owned by a couple from Buffalo, was great. It was in the Virginia Highlands part of Atlanta, right near my first home here. Now it's just another franchise place. Oh well.

It's not going to matter. They have plenty of space to cut him. Despite a couple of clutch catches last year, he still not good. His catch% is 50% for his career. On 42 targets last year he only had 315 yards or about half of Shakir's production with a similar about of targets. Personally, I think this is Beane's worst signing on the off-season.

MVS. Hamler and Claypool both outperform him in camp.

Proven depth and that’s about it. 1 QB - check 2 Deep and talented RB room - check 3 excellent TE room - check 4 talented and deep OL - check, people can worry about center all they want, but McGovern played center in HS and College. He’ll be fine and has a stud rookie backing him up. If SVP beats out McGovern at center, McGovern goes back to guard and Edwards to the bench strengthening our OL. 5 Deep WR room with significant upside - We aren’t going to miss Diggs at all. 6 Solid DL starters - Oliver, Jones, Rousseau, and Epenesa are all good to excellent. Miller and the rest of the depth are an unknown but guys like Williams, Johnson and Smoot all have significant NFL experience. 7 LB room - maybe the best we’ve had with Milano, Benard, Williams, and other strong depth (Morrow & Jones). Like the rookie to make it even better. Excellent starters at CB - Douglas, T Johnson, and Benford are all very good to excellent. Elam and depth are the questions. Safety - Edwards played well as an injury starter in KC, Rapp did the same here. Bishop could easily beat out one, but that would be a good problem. It would be a great bonus if Hamlin gets back to the player he was before his injury. The Bills, especially on defense, would benefit from staying healthy for a change. However McD knows defense and we weathered Jones, Miller, Milano, White and Hyde’s injuries on defense last season and honestly, I think our depth on defense is more talented than last year even if some are very young. Draftees, Carter and Ulofoshio will strengthen already strong groups. If Solomon proves he can rush the passer in the NFL then all the better. People need to chill. We bring back 8 starters on offense and 9 starters on defense. We have added Samuel and Coleman to the WR group, and brought back Epenesa and Jones. This is a really good football team with the potential to be great.

Under. We drafted Davis to take away some of the short yard punishment from Josh.

I honestly don’t care if Samuel or anyone else has a career year this year. I care that our top 3 WRs, Kincaid and Cook all have solid seasons giving defenses too many dangerous targets to cover. If Knox, Hollins, Davis and Claypool all play well all the better. PS - I don’t think MVS is making the team. Mr Drop-o-matic is just a lesser version of Gabe Davis. Claypool gives us similar size, better speed, and upside potential.

The only answer.

They had 95 last season with Knox out 5 weeks and Kincaid inactive for a week. That works out to 115 catches if both played every week last season. Over! Kincaid might have 100+ on his own.

Lacks difference makers? Seriously? You mean besides Josh Allen (Pro Bowl -3), James Cook (all pro 2023), Kincaid, Oliver, Taron Johnson (all pro 2023), and soon to be added to the list Benard, Benford, Torrence and possibly Shakir. I also think Rousseau will be a difference maker this season since he returns to his natural position. Didn't he also acquire some guy named Diggs in a trade? You know the only guy in the NFL to have 1000+ yards each of the last 5 seasons! He also drafted Wyatt Teller (2 All pros - 3 pro bowls) Chiefs and Bills have the two highest win % in the NFL for the last 5 years. Had we been in the NFC, we'd probably would have been to 2-3 Super Bowls already. Sorry Gunner, you are better poster than that comment.

What hit piece?

B+/A- He has built a consistent winning team. He has drafted well at points and better recently. He has also consistently found gems late in the draft. He has added quality bargain FAs. Has missed on some bigger ticket players (see Miller), but at least the swing for Miller was done for the right reasons. He has also made a few lousy contracts like Miller and Knox. His trades have mostly worked such as Douglas and Diggs. I am also impressed with his ability to retool and create a youth movement for the Bills while fixing the cap issues (he created) on the fly. I also like his commitment to finally developing our own top end skill players with the additions of Cook, Kincaid and Coleman. The only real criticism of the Beane era is that we haven't reached the Super Bowl, much less win one. Had we made a Super Bowl, I'd give him an easy A.

Ok you are wrong. This thread is about the best Bills running backs and where Cook fits in that pantheon. I said he doesn’t yet because he’s only been in Buffalo 2 years. As to is he a difference maker already , he is! No one finishes in the top 3 in yards from scrimmage and didn’t make his team better. He single-handedly demolished Dallas last season. He did wear down late in the year and that is why they drafted Davis. Davis will help limit the punishment Cook and Josh take each week.

He became important last year when he put up 1500 from scrimmage. He doesn't really become relevant to this discussion until he earns a new contract. Outside of Thurmon, OJ, Jackson and Cribbs, none contributed beyond 3 or 4 years. The same goes for the WRs. Outside of Reed, Moulds and Diggs, who else made a significant contribution beyond a few years. Elbert Dubenion was great for his era with 1 1000 yard season and 1 for 950+ and he did it getting thrown to just a few times a game averaging less then 3 receptions per game. Lee Evans is probably next on the list after those 4, and he had a grand total of 2 1000 yard seasons. Stevie Johnson had 3 1000 yard season and then was done. Frank Lewis had 2 1000 yard seasons as well.

1. Thomas - Leads all Bills players in scrimmage yards 2. OJ - He truly was a killer RB. 3. Joe Cribbs - 3 1000 yard season plus nearly 1800 yard in receptions 4. Fred Jackson - Thy name is longevity, but only 1 1000 yard season 5. Travis Henry - 2 huge seasons seasons (1438 & 1356), but then was gone much to soon HM - Marshawn Lynch & McCoy Top FB 1. Jim Braxton 2. Cookie Gilchrist Did you know that Josh Allen is 7th in career rushing yards for the Bills. It's much much to early to label Cook as anything but a potentially excellent player for the Bills. Cook's Rushing stats were our 21st best rush season (we have had 31 1000 yard rushing seasons) and he currently its 20th on our all-time list. OJ had 5 1000+ yard seasons (in only 14 games) Thurman had 8 (16 games seasons). Truthfully the Bills have had only 2 great RBs plus Lynch who they moved on from much to soon.

UGA’s last two National Championship teams. 15 players drafted off the first one (a NCAA record). They then would win it again and then lose another 10 to the draft. This past draft another 8 off a 13-1 team would go plus transfers Burton and Mitchell who played for Georgia on the 2021 and or 2022 Championships teams. Of those 35 players, 9 were 1st rd picks and 7 were 2nd rd picks.

Samuel, Coleman and Shakir are set in stone Hollins, because of this special teams skills is probably a lock for a job. That leaves Shorter, MVS and Claypool fighting for one or 2 jobs. If I had to guess right now they keep six and Shorter is sent to the practice squad. In this scenario. Claypool and MVS make the team.