Gen2

week 1 Carolina over Jets week 2 Denver over Jacksonville week 3 Baltimore over Detroit week 4 Cincinnati over Jacksonville week 5 Arizona over San Francisco

That's exactly the point, local gov't desires a downtown stadium with the hope that the surrounding area then becomes desirable to be developed to "enhance the gameday experience". Restaurants, sports bars, condos etc etc etc.

IMHO we need to pump the brakes just a little tiny bit, the four opponents we played SHOULD have been beaten by the Bills. The Squealers game still has me scratching my head. Play calling was atrocious, O-line play was worse, and Josh looked closer to "rookie Josh" than "last year Josh". But every team, every season, seems to have that aberration game, and I'm giving the Bills a pass on that game (hate that it was so early in the season but whatever). The other three teams we should have beaten handily, and we did, they don't belong in the same strata as the Bills right now. That being said Two shut outs are something to celebrate no matter who the other team is, also scoring 35, 43, and 40 points on consecutive weeks also is a harbinger of good things to come. As an aside, if there ever WAS a thing as a "trap game" the Texans game was it, I could have easily seen the Bills pretty much sleepwalking through that game but they played like it was the 17th game of the season and we needed a win to make the playoffs. But to truly be an "elite team" we have to beat teams like KC, Tenn, NO, and the Bucs (and I HATE to say it, but after watching the Pats last night they may be pulling themselves into the "competitive bracket"). I guess what I'm trying to say is we look darn good so far, but the REAL tests are still ahead of us.

Halftime for me is a time to go to the bathroom and resupply game time snackage, for all I care the half time show can consist of Gregorian chants sung buy a choir with lisps. just sayin

week 1 Carolina over Jets week 2 Denver over Jacksonville week 3 Baltimore over Detroit week 4 Cincinnati over Jacksonville

I guess that could be true, I didn't think of the waiting list jumping aspect.

No Virg, the PSLs don't go away (or at least that's the plan). The current plan is that from day 1, if you want to buy a season ticket, you will be also buying a PSL either from the Bills or from a Bills fan about to give up his or her ticket. Once you purchase a PSL it is yours until you want to stop using it (there will not be recurring PSL costs once you own one). The exceptions will be if you "hand down" your season tickets to someone, you can also elect to gift them your PSL. If you just decide to NOT renew your season tickets, the PSL will revert back to the Bills (to be resold to the next season ticket buyer). The claim is that you will be able to sell your right to buy seasons (PSL) at a premium but let's be serious, who in their right mind would pay over "face price" for a PSL when the Bills will most likely have PSLs that were "forfeited" on hand to sell at face price.

The following is a cut and paste from two prior posts that no one responded to, I REALLY am interested in discussion with local fans as to their feelings. I'm not looking for a "they won't leave" or "yes they will" kind of responses, just looking for what the local "level of pain" the fans are willing to endure to keep the team. All of this talk has me wondering what everybody's thoughts are in supporting a new stadium. Some discussion points as I see them are: 1) The elephant in the room is city/county/state support. I understand peoples reluctance in supporting a stadium with taxpayers money, but the fact of the matter is there are locations out there who would be willing to give at least SOME level of support to a stadium, how do you feel 0% - 100% government support or something in between? 2) Ticket prices. According to my research, the Bills currently have the lowest average ticket price @ $74.95 with the NFL average @ $104.73 and the highest for the LV Raiders @ $153.47. What level of a ticket price would you support, up to the NFL average, up to Raider levels, somewhere in between? 3) PSLs. Personally, I find the mere concept of PSLs distasteful, but the fact of the matter is over half of the NFL charge them to help finance their stadium, how much would you think someone should pay for the "right" to buy a season ticket? Since I don't live in western N.Y. anymore I don't feel like I have a dog in this fight, but here are my thoughts anyway. 1) I left N.Y. many years ago, and haven't returned to live for a number of reasons, taxes being one of them. With that being said, I don't really care if the city/county/state pick up 100% of the tab, however I AM sensitive that there are a number of better areas that tax dollars can and should be spent. However, I am sure that there are a few cities willing to support at least a portion of a new stadium, St Louis and maybe San Diego or Oakland ... and maybe there are one or two out there hiding in the wood work. 2) As I said in item one, I don't live in the area and fly in for a game or two per season. When piled on to airfare, hotel, and food costs, raising ticket prices to even the Raider level would only be a "background noise level" of added expense. I would still be flying in for a game or two per season. 3) Once again, I'll never be a season ticket holder so even though I cringe at the thought of PSLs, I really don't care. I'm really interested in the western N.Y. Bills fans feelings on the topic, it's just too easy for us expats to spend the locals money. I don't want to beat a dead horse ... but ... exactly what ARE the thoughts of you local fans???

IMHO something is wrong with Josh. It could be some niggling little injury that is hampering his mechanics, could be his big contract is messing with his mind (god I hope not), maybe something even on the home front messing with him. If you have any of last years games saved on your DVR, look at his body language post snap, pre release. He would get the ball, get to his "spot" and set up in a firm steady base and either throw the ball or decide to roll out or run. This year he just looks indecisive, he never "sets his base". Shoot last year sometimes he'd stand soooooo stock still I would think the TV picture had frozen, this year his feet never stop moving. I have no doubt he (and the offense) will shortly return to last years form no matter what the problem is, and with Washington and Houston on our immediate horizon we have a better than average chance to win even at a diminished capacity .... as long as the ship is righted prior to KC & Tenn I'll be happy.

week 1 Carolina over Jets week 2 Denver over Jacksonville week 3 Baltimore over Detroit

Hopefully it's THIS Bobby Heart and not that sorry excuse for a lineman we had on the team this preseason . http://www.rebeatmag.com/songwriting-spirituality-and-satisfaction-an-intimate-conversation-with-bobby-hart/

Is there some kind of rulebook of acceptable fan behavior I'm unaware of, or did you really mean to say in your original post that YOU would only go to greet the players at the airport after super bowl/playoff/important game victories? I'm always kind of baffled when one fan decides how another fan celebrates a victory, or bemoans a loss, or even greets another fan is wrong and his or her method is correct.

Where do you stand on the jumping on tables thing, that's kinda old too and the whole Bills Mafia thing, not only old but kinda silly and what's up with the buying players jersey thing ... do you REALLY think people believe you're Josh Allen while were at it, why go to the stadium? it's cheaper to stay home and you get a much better seat. tailgating???? come on been there done that.

This topic is near and dear to my heart (kinda) I was born and raised in Lancaster in the days before everything was offensive and had to be eliminated. All through my school days we were the Lancaster Redskins, WKBW radio even donated a "mascot costume" (I think it was via some kind of contest) of an Indian brave's full regalia that a student would wear on the sidelines during games. Needless to say, the school decided that Lancaster Redskins was too offensive and changed to the Lancaster Legions. A while back I attended my 50th class reunion, and the sentiment of once a redskin always a redskin was voiced more than a few times. So no, a Redskins fan should cherish that Redskin gear, wear it with pride. As far as a fan giving a Redskins fan grief for wearing said gear; put yourself in their situation. If PETA decides that Buffalo Bills is offensive because he represents the wholesale slaughter of the Bison herds and force a name change to the "Buffalo Big Guys", I know as far as myself I'm still wearing Bills gear, and if someone gave me grief over my Bills gear my response would be ... "Once a Bills fan, always a Bills fan ... Bite me"

I pretty much enjoyed the Manning broadcast, IMHO it kind of lost it's way when the guests started showing up. It was kind of like sitting on the couch with a friend or two watching a ball game neither one of you are particularly interested in, and chatting back and forth, the only difference is the Mannings know a heck of a lot more about football than any of my friends. I don't see this as sustainable though because the big brother little brother smack talk banter will run out soon enough. I'm pretty much a "casual fan" for football games not including the Bills so their lack of 100% vigilance on the game was fine by me. I could NEVER EVER watch that kind of coverage for a Bills game.

week 1 Panthers over the Jets week 2 Denver over Jacksonville

I didn't mean for it to sound like I was building a conclusion for what would happen, I was just presenting a discussion point for what could happen. It really doesn't matter if a settlement is arrived at 1.7 billion, or 1 billion, or 700 million, or 500 million, my premise was what if St Louis parleyed that money into partial funding for a stadium and offered the Bills some kind of sweetheart deal. Of course the premise falls apart if the courts find in favor of the NFL, or award the city "token" damages of $1.00 which are both also possible.

The following is a cut and past from a prior post that no one responded to, I REALLY am interested in discussion with local fans as to their feelings. I'm not looking for a "they won't leave" or "yes they will" kind of responses, just looking for what the local "level of pain" the fans are willing to endure to keep the team. All of this talk has me wondering what everybody's thoughts are in supporting a new stadium. Some discussion points as I see them are: 1) The elephant in the room is city/county/state support. I understand peoples reluctance in supporting a stadium with taxpayers money, but the fact of the matter is there are locations out there who would be willing to give at least SOME level of support to a stadium, how do you feel 0% - 100% government support or something in between? 2) Ticket prices. According to my research, the Bills currently have the lowest average ticket price @ $74.95 with the NFL average @ $104.73 and the highest for the LV Raiders @ $153.47. What level of a ticket price would you support, up to the NFL average, up to Raider levels, somewhere in between? 3) PSLs. Personally, I find the mere concept of PSLs distasteful, but the fact of the matter is over half of the NFL charge them to help finance their stadium, how much would you think someone should pay for the "right" to buy a season ticket? Since I don't live in western N.Y. anymore I don't feel like I have a dog in this fight, but here are my thoughts anyway. 1) I left N.Y. many years ago, and haven't returned to live for a number of reasons, taxes being one of them. With that being said, I don't really care if the city/county/state pick up 100% of the tab, however I AM sensitive that there are a number of better areas that tax dollars can and should be spent. However, I am sure that there are a few cities willing to support at least a portion of a new stadium, St Louis and maybe San Diego or Oakland ... and maybe there are one or two out there hiding in the wood work. 2) As I said in item one, I don't live in the area and fly in for a game or two per season. When piled on to airfare, hotel, and food costs, raising ticket prices to even the Raider level would only be a "background noise level" of added expense. I would still be flying in for a game or two per season. 3) Once again, I'll never be a season ticket holder so even though I cringe at the thought of PSLs, I really don't care. I'm really interested in the western N.Y. Bills fans feelings on the topic, it's just too easy for us expats to spend the locals money.

I thought I was pretty upfront in saying I had no idea what the dollar figures were or would be, I just analy extracted 1.7 billion for the sake of the discussion.

For some reason I don't think the thought process of "Your honor we didn't allow the Bills to move to St Louis because it's a baseball town" would hold up in court if they would take the NFL to court for black balling them. I DO agree with you that Oakland and San Diego will never get another NFL team, but it's because of the lack of outside funding for new stadiums in their respective cities, the reasons for that belong on the political board and have nothing to do with which sport may or may not have been more popular.

That's easy to type into a forum thread, but you have nothing supporting your statement. Let's paint a picture here; As far as St Louis is concerned they didn't "lose" the Rams, they had the Rams unlawfully taken from them, they are currently suing the NFL because of the Rams move. Everything the NFL has done to squash the lawsuit so far has failed, and at this point it LOOKS like it will be going to trial (in St Louis). Let's just say, the NFL doesn't want their dirty laundry becoming public record through the trial process, and decides to settle out of court. I have no idea what kind of money would be involved, but for the sake of argument let's say 1.7 billion dollars. Now if St Louis would be willing to parlay that money into a new stadium and offer the Bills that new stadium for free, on what grounds would or could the NFL stop the move? Do you honestly think they would "black ball" St Louis to prevent the move knowing St Louis isn't shy about taking them to court??

Not WANTING to move the team, and being stupid for not moving the team are two different things. I want the Bills to stay in Buffalo (or at least western New York) as much as the next fan, but realistically, can the area's economy support an NFL franchise? It would break my heart, but I suspect there is a city or two willing to foot SOME of the costs and able to support at least league mid level ticket prices, and PSLs. I just don't see the local fans willingly supporting a 100% rise in ticket prices along with thousands of dollars for PSLs for the right to buy those tickets. As far as gov't $$$ to help and pay for the stadium, IMHO, the people of Erie county and NYS will feel the money is better spent elsewhere (and I can't say I blame them). My biggest fear is someplace (maybe like St. Louis) wants a team and is willing to pay for it. I'm not 100% sure the team won't move and I think that anybody who claims they are positive this will play out one way or the other is just whistling in the graveyard to cover their fears.

It very well COULD have changed the complexion of the game. The Squealers defended us by rushing four (and often times 3) and playing a zone defense that "crowded" the passing lanes. Running more with Singletary and Moss (if he were available) would have undoubtedly pulled defenders from coverage to defend the line of scrimmage. The problem with that strategy is that the blocking of our OL was so abysmal that maybe our 6.5 per rush (from a real running back) may have become ineffective in a hurry had Pit "loaded the box" with more defenders.

I seem to remember Josh saying that his pre game playlist used to be full of rap & hip hop music but he changed up to Sinatra tunes to calm himself down pregame. but I'm old so I could be mistaken.

Any big run stopping DTs out there???