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I mean, what do you expect Frazier to do, disclose his game plan? No one can go back and watch except teams, or even look at a box score, but the Bengals got huge yards on a ticky-tack DPI on Tre White. The Bills moved right down to the Bengals red zone and settled for 3 after a missed pass to a wide open Beasley - the Bengals didn't stop us either, without the ticky tack DPI. It's very typical this season that teams move the ball on us the first couple drives, then Frazier adjusts. Media or no, of course it's going to be a tough game against a very good team and we have to prove it on Sunday

Please delete or merge if I missed an existing thread. https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/vikings-fire-dc-ed-donatell-after-early-playoff/story?id=96550216 Donatell was DC of the Denver Broncos for 3 seasons before joining the Vikings staff. Prior to that he was a DB coach on various NFL teams for about a decade after coming over from the college ranks He had an earlier stint as DB coach in the ‘90s and as DC for the Packers 2000-2003 and the Falcons 2004-2006 The head coaching carousel isn’t in full turn, but the assistants are sure dropping like flies.

In previous years, Allen has had quite a bit fewer fumbles - 8 and 9 the previous two years. So it seemed worth looking at what’s going on. “As far as 100% can correct that anytime he wants”, dunno - I think movement patterns get to be habits. I think it’s possible that previously, Allen was getting movement coaching “two hands on the ball in the pocket” that left the building when Daboll and Tierney moved to NJ and Dorsey took on a new role; if so, that’s something the Bills will want to fill as a coaching gap. I don’t think it’s an accident that Allen had 8 of his 16 fumbles against Miami. I think they were focused on keeping him in the pocket and blitzing very aggressively, and that was a byproduct. Then add in some QB/C exchange fumbles that don’t normally happen due to Morse’s elbow injury and needing to work with our 3rd string center, and there you go.

He’s just a troll, here to stir the *****. Put him in your “ignore” file if it’s hard to just walk on by It doesn’t fit in the overall category “fumble”

I 🤮 in my mouth when I read that. Please….NSFW warning on that Still SMH at the idea the braggin’ and swaggin’ correlates to the way a team plays. Sure, a team can brag and swag and come out hot and play hard. A team can also brag and swag and deflate when it’s kicked in the knee, and a team can be quiet and give the opponent props and come roaring out at kickoff and play like a swarm of angry honey badgers with a bad attitude until the clock runs down. I personally think we’ll see two teams of heavyweight prizefighters go at it.

Y Thanks!

Now that’s a new twist. We often say “Don’t Feed the Troll” here, but…Don’t EAT the Troll? Novel

Mirsky has been part of discussions with Cover1 followers about whether Josh is forcing balls deep because he doesn’t have open options. The point is that there were open options on most of these throws, not that Josh should always or even predominantly taken them. IMO Not good enough in a thread for “Dorsey haters”. If you think he’s a problem, Cowboy Up and explain.

Just FYI, Kendall Mirsky is a Cover1 regular - on Disguised Coverage with Anthony Prohaska often IIRC, and has been part of regular discussions on the design of Ken Dorsey’s offense and its design and whether Josh Allen is forcing deep throws at times because he lacks higher percentage open options. I don’t think his intent was to criticize Josh for every throw, but simply to point out that there were open shallower options designed into each of those plays, for those who feel that Josh does NOT have open options when he’s forcing the ball. I think there’s also a need to be aware of down and distance. The deep throw to Diggs was on 3rd and 15 and out of FG range. A check down likely won’t cut it, might as well Go for the Gusto and if it’s picked, eh, it’s like a punt (and Diggs is turns into a pretty fierce defender). The deep throw to Brown on 2nd and 10 when there were higher percentage options to make it 3rd and short, might be better to go for an open option underneath. Um, if you go to NFL.com and look at nexgen stats, charts, I think you’ll find there were a couple of those this season I can’t speak for the “intentional” part

OH, the POOR guy! STUCK with working on QB like this! This narrative is just wrong. Does Not Fit Timelines. Let me point something out to you. Greg Roman took over as OC for Harbaugh in January of 2011. He was absolutely part of the evaluation and the decision to draft Colin Kaepernick in the 2nd round that spring, and to bench Smith for him and move on/trade Smith. Greg Roman was hired as OC for Rex Ryan in January of 2015. He was absolutely part of the evaluation and decision to sign Tyrod Taylor as a FA in March of 2015. Greg Roman was hired in 2017 as Sr Offensive Assistant/TE coach and then promoted to Assistant HC/TE coach in 2018. He was absolutely part of and influential in the decision to trade up into the end of the 1st round and draft Lamar Jackson and likely had a handshake promise to become his OC once they moved on from Flacco. He has not been “STUCK” with working on QBs like this, he has been active and influential in the decision to draft or sign these QBs. You’re the funny one that you paint it as something he was STUCK with instead of QB he had a strong voice in choosing. You’re absolutely correct that he’s the master of run game design and along with this very good at the screen game and the quick slants that most people call out as an extension of the run game. The design of his passing game is NOT very good. It just isn’t. “No” to G-Ro back in Buffalo. if for no other reason, between Kromer, Butler the DB coach with the title of “passing game coordinator”, Mike Shula the “Senior Offensive Assistant”, and Joe Brady the former OC turned QB coach, the freakin’ offensive brain trust is crowded to the point of concern about “too many cooks” already. Didn’t Lamar tweet something which kind of supported that?

Lol I guess that’s not disrespectful

Joe Mixon thinks it’s bullitwn board material

Apparently Joe Mixon finds this disrespectful and it motivates him https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/19/joe-mixon-selling-tickets-to-neutral-site-conference-title-game-disrespectful/

I can tell you at the time, media coverage was highly critical and in their fan mailbags would be calls for Reich to start, after every loss with careless play

He will surely go in with that intent, but it will have everything to do with not wanting to let his coaches and teammates down and nothing to do with the media. IMO

I think you need to distinguish between what the Bills and their coaches say, and how they plan to play The Evil Hoodie and his Tom minion were great at praising the other team in a flat monotone every presser before they walked on the field and proceeded to rip off heads and piss on the bodies Nothing a team says prevents them from being physical and executing at a high level

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Agree, top tier Not only that...he's kind of legendary in that he may well have gained the Rams their SB trophy last year. He retired in 2019 and spent 2020 doing dad things. Got a phone call January 12 2022 after one of the Rams safeties went on IR and the other was in concussion protocol; "are you in shape?". "Yeah, I'm good". None of this "ease into it". Came off the couch, led the team in tackles during the AFCCG, was wearing the dot and calling the defense in the Superbowl, tore his pec in the 1Q but refused to leave the game. Put on his ring, had surgery on his pec, and went back to doing Dad things like coaching HS football. It's Epic. I'd kind of like refs who would call offensive holding once in a while.

Not happy at DaQuan Jones being limited in 2 successive practices. We need that guy. Not sure what I feel about Jordan Phillips being limited. If he's good to go, we can use him, but we don't need him out there one-arming it.

Do you disbelieve or disagree with McDermott's expressed view that it's proven in the NFL, you can't win long term against the best teams while you're turning the ball over that much? I also don't understand what is hypocritical about people's negative reactions to Allen's INTs. I'm not saying you're wrong, but not understanding the use of the word "hypocritical" to describe it.

https://www.nfl.com/news/dolphins-fire-josh-boyer-after-three-seasons-as-defensive-coordinator I got to say, he had something for the Bills. 5 of Allen's 9 strip sack fumbles and 3 of his 4 strip sack lost fumbles were vs. Miami A valid point. I hope they shred his gameplans for the Bills then 😃

Do you think it's not an appropriate topic for discussion? Oddly enough I started this thread because a couple of posters referred to Josh as a "Fumble machine when he runs" or something of the sort, and I wanted to provide data showing that was, at this point, incorrect.

I could be mistaken, but if you go look at the NFL Nexgen Stats charts, I think you'll see that Lamar has quietly but significantly improved his ability to pass outside the numbers. So we'll see, if they keep Lamar but bring in someone who can design a more complete passing game and some better receivers.

Wow. I'm struggling to process this viewpoint. All I'll say is that in general, I don't believe "turnovers happen". Yes, there are fluky plays, but in general, they either result from a mistake on the part of the players/team committing it, or high-level play on the part of the team recovering it. I'm sorry, but if you can't score a TD until the 4th Q which was the Ravens situation in 2019, I don't know how you logic "they were clearly the better team". Tennessee did stop them; they stopped them with a punt and 4 turnovers on downs in addition to the interceptions and the fumbles. Meanwhile Tennessee ran all over them and Tannehill had a low-production, but high efficiency day with 3 TD and enough pass game to keep the run cranking. I think that's "if my Aunt had balls, she'd be my Uncle" logic. I guess, but she doesn't and she isn't.