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Hell no. The unspoken plan has been to divert salaries/cost from the defense to offense. Signing D White would be moving in the opposite direction. The FO let Edmunds go, played hard ball w Poyer, and probably is still contemplating moves with Oliver. They let Frazier leave and have put more emphasis on defensive scheming in the hands of McD, to do more with less. I think/hope if any splash move is to be made, it would be for WR.

I'm hoping the scenario is along the lines of what you're thinking. If possible get Addison, if he makes it into the 20s, maybe what a 3rd would cost for the move up. If not spend the third on DHop. And while I don't think it is reasonable to go DHop and 1st round WR. There could be a small chance the FO could go DHop and one of those good TEs. That would be a great haul.

Yes, to going up for a WR - particularly Addison. A huge NO to moving for B Robinson. A big NO to drafting him at all. If he makes it to 27, some team would want him and we should trade down.

Thanks. Can you tell me when Addison, Q Johnston, and D Washington went. And what were the 3-4 picks after us (the top alternatives). I find it hard to get excited about T Simpson, yes there is a spot for him but it is kind of blah. Much rather get something more offensive and take J Campbell in the second.

In Gunner's mock Addison lasted until the Giants and I think the Bills might give up their 4th to get ahead of the Giants and get Addison. I would be excited. I don't think the Bills would give up a 3rd or more though, like dave mcbride above is suggesting. They could probably get DHop for a 3rd. And I don't think the draft will unfold with Addison available at 24. But I do think there is still a good chance Beane will trade ahead of the Giants. Often times Beane has a player he wants and seems to get nervous/antsy and moves up. This feeling will be increased because it's Beane's students picking just two spots ahead of us.

Moving up 7 spots generally costs a lot though. Moving up two spots last year cost a 4th. I don't think they'll go for much more than that. I like the highlights of Addison but as you allude to I don't think he'll make it to 27. Not with Seattle and Minn along with possibly the Giants.

I posted upstream I think a trade with Jax to get ahead of the Giants is a huge possibility. The common needs of the Bills/Giants and with the Giants having so many ex-Bills on their staff would seem to make it more likely than normal. I used Addison as an example.

For me part of why I like the signing is when they used Klein best it was with an aggressive defense. They sent Klein attacking, either at the RB or at the QB. It hurried the play. I hope to see the defense get more aggressive with McD, and using Klein would be consistent with going in that direction.

Appreciate the effort, enjoy reading. I agree with MrEpsyTown above though. To me, Hyatt looks too similar to the WR additions they already got (Harty/Sherfield). I think the Bills would take their top choice at mlb in this instance, and I believe that to be J Campbell (although I can see reasons to think that may not be the case). I think there is a very good chance of the Bills trading up with Jax for their pick. Getting ahead of the Giants might be wanted for a couple of different reasons. One is the Bills may have a significant tier drop on WRs right after Addison. So if Addison is still there, jumping ahead of the Giants makes sense. The second reason a trade w Jax makes sense is if Addison is gone (along with the expected other WRs). Then once again the Bills may want to jump NYG to get the top mlb (because that is a need for the Giants as well). The Bills could feel that there is a drop off from the top mlb to the next tier and that the NYG have it ranked the same way (and they know the NYG staff enough to have a good feel that they are on the same page in evaluations).

I was hoping the delay had been Beane gave a take it or leave it best offer and AZ is hoping someone comes in and beats it prior to the draft. The problem I have with that thought is I believe in order to afford DHop we would have to move Oliver. And it seems that would be hard to have all lined up.

What? Our average-ish starting RB just got $3.5M while our average-ish starting LB just got $18.5M

Small sample size. But WR would be exciting, means the FO has identified a fit. And while not much focus on LB it seems a glaring need. To the OP, my DO NOT DRAFT is B Robinson. No RB in the first for me please. Maybe round 4 that R Johnson.

Right, we are all saying RAS is one metric. There are expectations you can get for a player from watching their tape. In Campbell's case it looks like his RAS exceeded people's expectations. So there are several ways you could reconcile the difference. You could theorize Campbell improved his agility and quickness, or say the coaching and scheming didn't take advantage of all his attributes, or think maybe Campbell had been tentative, or you can put Campbell into the group who somehow had more and better RAS training (like he gamed the system). When GB says "my guess is he did some serious combine training.....but I think that probably slightly overstates what kind of athlete you will get" we see how he is coming to terms with the unexpected difference. He claims that he isn't discounting JC's results, but you be the judge. Furthermore, as you mention, it's a relative score. So the implication is that the mid-western, 4 yr, no-nonsense player from Iowa received more and better training than the likes of the transferring, showboating, me-first, SEC type players.

They really aren't much better than ErieCountyBulls. Ian Rappaport gives some kind of insider presence but his quotes contain the qualifiers "it's likely not going to be". Well, no kidding, they just spent for Lazard, and trying for Rogers, and drafted a WR in round 1 last year.

Thanks for the information. Would like to know who McD would prefer. Seems if he wants a more aggressive blitzing type Sanders/Simpson have done it better. Wonder how much the intangibles play a factor. Campbell screams old school football - 4yr player, captain, excellent academics, no social media, no NIL, incredible work ethic. Comes across as no-nonsense, football focused. Easy to see him willing to extend after 3 years to a team friendly, Milano type contract.

What? Some fans think Jack Campbell would be an excellent choice. Why is Jack Campbell (JC) bad value at #27 and D Sanders is not, if the Bills have Campbell rated higher? Many mocks have Sanders going before our pick, and GB above ranks Simpson at #16. I could see Beane valuing JC at $4M on a one year deal if he were a free agent, certainly above the slotted $2.5M they would pay. That's immediate value. Outside of the top 3 WRs, they are not worth over $2.5M for the year, you are paying on the hope of rise in future value (and JC's value would rise also). I've suggested that Jack Campbell may have separated himself as the top candidate with the combine. I've tried my best to give forewarning to the board that if Beane sees it way, not only would JC be the first pick, Beane might move up to do it.

I understand taking the tape over the combine. You went further than that though and started to discount Campbells combine. The larger point though is, I believe your ranking does not match the Bills (and probably not the Giants either). And I'm starting to think the gulf between Campbell and the next rated mlb could be significant. So much so that if things break in a somewhat expected way, (like top 3 WRs gone and top OL gone and all 3 mlbs available) at #22, the Bills would be tempted to jump the Giants. Most of the board would not like it, but I can see it.

I get it, you didn't see it on tape. You didn't expect good results from Campbell. And when confronted with the good results you make excuses for them to discount the data point and keep your preconceived bias. You didn't see twitch and assumed Campbell was slow, you didn't see change of direction and assumed Campbell had poor lateral movements. Combine results show your conclusions were wrong. Most of the field is training for the combine. So yes, it is a diss when you imply that Campbell's numbers are somehow less meaningful. Often times the RAS can be used as a negative. It can be used as indicator that a prospect doesn't have the requisite physical attributes to succeed, such as speed or agility. Clearly these limitations are not applicable to Campbell. It doesn't matter if he trained, he can do it.

Are you kidding with the "he did some serious combine training" diss? What serious candidate wouldn't? You don't think Sanders trained? You're entitled to your opinion, but discounting Campbells results by coming up with some type of "he gamed the system" theory is fabricating an excuse to support your bias. Extra points for taking Campbells care for the game, intelligence, and a good family and twisting it into a negative. The RAS has always been one data point to consider. You don't see a huge gap but when I look at several data points - RAS, advantage in mlb experience, awards (Butkus), along with markers indicating intelligence (gpa), loyalty (no transfers), and team personality (captain)- Campbell looks like he is in a tier of his own. I wouldn't be surprised if the top 3 WRs and top OL are gone by #22, that the Bills make a small move to get ahead of the Giants to get Campbell.

I'm still hoping for DHop or Jeudy too. I don't think we're out of it until after the draft. Schefter's reasoning was suspect - the Bills have the want, and a way to get the funds. He didn't say what the Bills were missing. As for the draft, I differ with you there - I don't think the Bills would (or should) select Hyatt or Q Johnston over Jack Campbell. And yes, while the WR group would be a little disappointing it would be on par with what we had last year - and we were good last year.

Wow. Thanks for posting. Campbell has awards and "Above-average size and frame with room to add more mass" and yet two others are ahead of him. Wonder how the Bills view it. Would be interesting to see if they are all available what the Bills would do. What grade and round did they have for Sanders and Simpson?

I have been working hard to prepare you for the possibility. You may not consider it a premium position but our last player just left for $18M. Getting a vet replacement had around a $7M price tag for the Bobby Wagners of the world. The Bills are a mature, contending team. They need value from the draft. The downside of J Campbell is Poz, for J Hyatt is Sherfield, for Q Johnston it is Hodgins. It's not the consensus that you should concern yourself with, it's the other GMs. I think Beane is much more clued into what Schoen knows than you. It's likely they discussed the whole Edmunds saga years ago. It doesn't seem like a stretch that Jack Campbell stood out even then.

And if the Bills have no interest in WR, it looks like they are taking some for the ride. Just as they have for years on end with the RB joke. This years chuckle in the front office has to be the leaked report they were moving up for "offensive playmakers". How does that originate? The FO saying to each other, these loose lipped teams ahead of us are going to let it slip that we're inquiring about what it takes to move up. We better tell them it's for offensive talent, otherwise everyone and their brother would be able to see that the Bills have to get ahead of the Giants to get Jack Campbell. People seemed to buy it, well done FO, lets change the news cycle quickly. What a coincidence, JSN is coming for a visit. Can the Bills get JSN? Where is he scheduled to go? What would it take for the Bills? Keep the news cycle moving. Next week a visit by Q Johnston would seal it. The board will then be saying things like "there's too much smoke...."

I think you are taking someone's subjective thoughts on needs a little too much as gospel. To me, as in the website below, NYG is a real threat. What about the NY Giants? From WalterFootball.com at #25: New York Giants: Jack Campbell, LB, Iowa The Giants would love a receiver, but the top four wideouts in this class are off the board. They could target a linebacker, given how thin they are at the position. Jack Campbell has the size and athleticism to be a three-down player in the NFL.

Don't get me wrong, I would love it if the Bills got JSN. I just have trouble believing it could happen though. I'm glad you have pegged the move up at zero though. For some reason it will make me smile if it happens. Seems like a real consideration to me. The NY Giants need an MLB. Getting ahead of Schoen/Daboll might be very important - they know too much.