Einstein's Dog

I'm still hoping the FO can pull off the Mike Evans deal. I was disgusted when I saw the replay of the pathetic route that Davis ran on one of the interceptions. Upgrading WR2 from Davis to Evans would elevate the entire WR core.

Unfortunately for Dorsey, time spent in the office is not important in my evaluation of him. The ranking of the offense is most important and the following are the items I would like to see done: 1. get Kincaid involved early and often. This is number one on my list and is a big departure from what they did with Hines. 2. Run Josh less on designed runs and short yardage. Let Josh's scrambles account for his running total (until maybe the playoffs). 3. Get Josh on the same page and get more short passes incorporated - swings and screens.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/mike-evans-landing-spots-cowboys-chiefs-jets-among-potential-fits-for-buccaneers-pro-bowl-wr/ No mention of the Bills, but I don't see how Dallas and NYJ are considered more likely candidates. If Gabe doesn't show that he should be extended, then Beane needs to consider alternatives. from article: Given what his agent recently stated, Evans wants to continue playing for a team that pursuing championships. Evans, whose career will undoubtedly receive Hall of Fame consideration one day, would probably accept a smaller role on a team that has a good chance at winning it all.

https://www.nfl.com/news/mike-evans-agent-sets-sept-9-deadline-in-contract-talks-with-buccaneers From the article: Perhaps the statement piques the interest of WR-needy teams who would be comfortable paying Evans' asking price, and the Bucs welcome the chance to trade the wideout before losing him next year. Surely, a smart shark will make a call to check. The Mike Evans train out of Tampa is picking up steam. Gabe better display an elevated game early in the season or else acquiring Evans could be on the table.

I'll be interested to see what they do with Kincaid. I'm hoping to see him just block. It could be interpreted as an advanced signal to Bills homers that Kincaid is ready. The FO would be setting up the Jets to put in an LB when Kincaid comes in. Then not only abuse the LB, but go no huddle and keep the mismatch on for a whole series.

Also, you have him work on his blocking. It's not like he can't get better. That's what they did the first preseason game. And when teams start putting in a DB when Kincaid is out there, then his assignment could be to handle a DB 60 pounds lighter than him. That kind of blocking assignment/mismatch can really help the appearance of someones blocking skills.

I've been added to the excited group. Originally while loving the pick, I was of the "draft is for the future crowd", and we'll have to wait for a while to see the real value. I've upgraded my time table. If the offense/Dorsey does what I am hoping he will deserve a ton of credit. There is the growing possibility that Dorsey is going to unleash DK2 on the Jets. I would love to see it. My optimism has reached levels where I have started looking for the

DK2 is enough for me. He is the second DK on the team to Knox Then the DK2 semi-automatic is the natural progression for the no=huddles that Dorsey should be implementing because of Kincaid mismatches. The DK2 semi-automatic is the progression/improvement from the years ago K-gun based on the TE.

It's about choices. It seems that the FO has a plan that RBs and the new MLB will not be paid big bucks. DL is entirely different (and extremely important). I agree with the FO and would prefer they figure out the MLB problem with the current roster and McD scheming. My hope is they spend the remaining money on upgrading WR2.

This is over the top panic. Klein + Rapp situationally until Williams is ready. McD needs to use schemes that make this work. Seems like just yesterday 80% of the board was all for transferring assets from the defense over to offense. Of course now when it is being implemented the nervous nellies and McBeane haters are quick to forget.

First, I'll say I don't think Dorsey needed any excuses from last year. Our top goal in hiring Dorsey was continuity and he delivered. Top 5 in yards and points. If you scrutinize him you can certainly find faults - but you can for all the OCs. This year goal number 1 is to use D Kincaid. Use Kincaid early and throughout the season. There have been other offensive weapons brought last year that were not incorporated (Hines). Dorsey does not have the luxury to do that in my assessment. Secondly, I would like to see plays designed to take the pressure off intense pass rushes. Make the defenses at least a little hesitant to bull rush Josh. Keep trying to get better at screens, get some swing pass game, and maybe some draws.

Proven????....because you liked what you saw in 2 vanilla preseason games against dubious competition. And from that you can conclude this as some sort of litmus test that sorts out the good staffs from the bad. Really?

To me the OP has the right hope but placed in the wrong spot. Let's get Kincaid out there early. Early and often. It is so much a possibility people seem to take it for granted now. Use Kincaid from the start. You let Kincaid play through errors if necessary. Kincaid is the guy to use quickly Get Torrence PT and hopefully starting by 4-5 games into the season. As for Williams, not so fast. I've been surprised the MLB hasn't been a Klein/Rapp split from the start. Williams is in no way Kincaid. Shakir wasn't ready for a larger role then. And I don't know if he has earned a role now even. Cook needed time but has responded, Shakir not so much.

Actually last year there was the proven Crowder taking the place of the fading Beas. And the trend line for Gabe was upward. The limited PT for McK had showed positive. I was optimistic last year (although I still wanted them to take a WR in the 1st Watkins/Pickens- but the draft is primarily for the future). What I think the poster above was comparing was the end of last year to the beginning of this year. In that regard I can see the hope of the new to be greater than the disappointing performances of Crowder + McK (and rookie Shakir). But for me it's hard to get around the regression/trend of Gabe now.

No, you shouldn't assume that last season the WR room was ranked lower. Prior to the beginning of last season we had high expectations for Gabe Davis - he was coming off a phenomenal playoff performance. Gabe looked to be an upper level WR2. At the slot we looked to be upgrading the fading Beas with Crowder- a seasoned veteran, along with a year older McKenzie, who had a great game when featured against the Patriots. Knox was a developing weapon and the Bills had drafted Shakir - considered a great value pick in the 5th. This year very few people have high expectations for Gabe. Most hope he can hang on to being a lower level useful WR2 based on volume. The slot is a question, being manned by no known veteran presence. Kincaid is intriguing but is a rookie.

Brady is not the same as Josh. You don't construct your offense the same way. Josh is not easy to bring down, is elusive, and is one of the best ever throwing 20-25 yard downfield lasers. The best way to maximize that skill set is to give him another top quality WR. Upgrading the WR2 position would make this the most lethal offense in the league.

I think they ranked the Bills correctly, but I have a problem with it. I would like this to be an area the Bills prioritized into the top 10 range. It's my hope the FO has all along been considering the $10M WR2 upgrade. This put them in the OBJ + DHop discussions but ultimately got priced out. It would also mean that an in-season trade is a realistic possibility. If you put Mike Evans or Tyler Lockett into our group there would be a significant move up the ranks.

I think the FO is going to go for several weeks in the trial mode before making their in-season trade move. They'll be evaluating OT, MLB, and WR2. I'm hoping for the WR2 move, make do with what you have at OT and MLB.

the excellent start the Giants had at the beginning of last year I always thought was a problem. It was fools gold. That nice start may have brought in ownership input that the long term plan was now out. It may have prevented Shoen/Dabol from moving Barkley. And that domino may have played a part in the decision to extend Jones.

I think you can count rookies, their baseline is zero. So, I vote Kincaid! Kincaid - I think Shakir's drop further opened the door for more Kincaid. The secrecy of the lack of preseason reps is intriguing to me. I think one completion with the first team and Kincaid is out for the rest of the Pitt game with a starting and integral role secured. It's possible Kincaid gets a large role right from the start, the Jets on Monday night. They won't know what hit them. You mention fantasy football, Kincaid has 50/50 chance of being a top 5 TE in 2024. Dorsey - last year Dorsey was under the continuity directive. This year Dorsey gets to put his imprint on the offense. Like to see a huge role for Kincaid, using 12 personnel more than ever here, more balance with the run, and having Josh take a more insertive role - calling plays and going no-huddle.

I agree that it looks kind of piecemeal and short term thinking. Bringing back Danny and Barkley looks like a recipe for 3rd in the division for years to come. It's a tough road to the playoffs when you're third in the division. And not making the playoffs can get you fired. Shoen/Daboll didn't do the hard and bold move Beane and McD did.

I can understand the interest in our old boys, but liking all their moves? Not so much. No problem with the dumpster diving and recycling of the old Bills players, it's reminiscent of the Bills/Carolina routine. But none of those players are going to amount to much (and that includes Beas). The real problem is the Daboll/Shoen duo are fully responsible for foolishly giving Danny Dimes big money and giving large salaries to RBs. That was not the lessons coming from the Bills. That is like extending Tyrod and giving McCoy a big contract back in the day. The duo is selling out for the short term and I don't think it will work.

My point with the Chargers wasn't the actual players but that the WR2 is a $20M guy (same w Raiders, Tampa). The post I responded to was saying someone should get fired if they moved a corner for a top WR2. That comment doesn't make sense if you compare the money. My reply to you had been the possible movement of a corner if our draft cb picks hit, and they are top 15ish. Then Tre might become available. I admitted it was an optimistic long shot. We don't have anything resembling a WR1 if Diggs goes down (much better choices at CB1). And Davis hasn't really proved himself as WR2 (several CB2s). The possibility of what amounts to moving Tre for a Chris Godwin/M Evans/T Lockett might be something on Beane's radar.

I don't think you've thought this out. Top WR's are hard to come by. Raiders have D Adams/H Renfro and paid $20M for J Meyers. Tampa has M Evans and C Godwin (and had Gage and Gronk at one time), Chargers have K Allen and M Williams. That's the type of WR tandem I'm talking about, and they are not cheap. If McD doesn't think he loses much by replacing Tre with Benford, that $10M could go a long ways to improving the offense. That could be Mike Evans money right there.

Not cut Tre, trade him. And yes, I agree quite unlikely. I'm just trying to think outside the box to move resources over to WR2.