Einstein's Dog

I disagree, the hope is for Kincaid to be much more pass catching oriented. Kincaid's role will be different, much more slanted towards a big slot, a hands guy. Knox is a more rounded, traditional TE. There is plenty of room for both IMO.

Who is your replacement? J Smith, H Hunter, D Njoku? All in the same range. D Waller at $17M? Good, experienced TEs cost in the range of Knox.

I think Knox has good hands and should be included in regularly receiving targets. This catch and drop % stuff is highly subjective and subject to large movements based on the small sample size. For instance, do you call the incompletion at the end of the Giants game a drop? For a player with about 25 targets and 14 receptions these subjective calls make a big difference.

I agree. With our current personnel I would like to see more short, high percentage, passing to Cook/Kincaid and Knox. You still have Diggs targeted a lot, and slightly reduce the number of targets to Gabe. We've seen flashes that this could be potent. I think McDemott was talking to this.

And those thinking that Kincaid has hit his ceiling are mistaken. So IMO, you use and develop Kincaid and Cook in the short passing game - this is better than last years McKenzie/Singletary duo. You don't get a slot guy like Renfro, that would block the development of talented young players. Kincaid and Cook are a big part of the foundation for our future. You instead upgrade the WR2 if possible, where it looks like Gabe is what he is at this point. If the FO can get a D Adams or Meyers or DHop or Thielen, this would be most beneficial this year and not block the development of our future.

How could we cut him if his contract with the Raiders from last year had $65M guaranteed (according to spotrac)? He will have received about $50M.

That is true now - please note I had put this out several weeks ago and had expected Tampa to fold. Unfortunately they did not. D Adams remains a long shot IMO because the Raiders aren't out of either, 3-3 w Chi up next. And I think he is too expensive - I see people claiming an inexpensive hit but for a player that just last year signed a $140M contract I think he would be over budget for us. And now the article linked showed just the kind of diva attitude we don't need more of - while winning Adams is complaining because his personal stats are not up to his standard The in-season trade to get a WR upgrade over Gabe is looking tough. Not a lot of teams out of it. Of those maybe Thielen of Car. I had floated out DHop again because Tenn is in the basement. If they lose to ATL they might give up.

I agree with you. One good way to reduce Diggs workload is to increase the Kincaid/Cook/Knox target share. IMO Kincaid/Cook are much better than last years McK/Singletary combo. Kincaid and Cook look to have excellent hands and could do some damage w YAC. IMO this slight offensive change should result in a year over year improvement. I had hoped for an upgrade at WR2 over Gabe. I realize this would be called by many a 1b. Giving a 6'4" 240 hard to bring down, laser throwing QB a 1a +1b makes for an exciting, difficult to defend offense. The OL gives Josh 3 seconds and then Josh creates 2 more on his own before unleashing a 25-30 yard rope.

I think they can reduce Diggs target load by giving more looks to Kincaid/Cook/Knox and even Harty/Sherfield. Kind of like what they did in the Miami game.

I've been hoping because I've never felt Gabe was the guy. I don't think the records of the teams have gone our way though. Not many teams are out of it and would be willing to trade away a good veteran WR. My new hope is Dorsey resets the offense to include more Kincaid/Cook/Knox and lessen the load on Gabe.

I brought this up in another thread, so yeah, I'm on board. He got the 2yr $26M deal which seems reasonable in todays market. And the $13M this year would be prorated to exclude about a third of it. Since this is old news to me, I'll one up it and go for DHop and King Henry for Elam and a third. Henry is on a one year $10M contract that would cost us a third less. With Harris out we may need another RB, and Henry is better than Lenny.

They should! I'm hoping they are looking into it. This may have been the plan after failing on OBJ and DHop. That they would give Gabe a 5 week trial run and if there wasn't significant improvement go out and get a veteran for an in-season trade.

Why the snide comment? Who said that's all we can ask? The OP said "it stands to reason this is what they wanted". I don't believe that is true. I believe the FO investigated WR upgrades but they didn't work out budget wise. They then went with the hope that Gabe would improve, that maybe he was hampered by injury last year.

It looks to me that you are interpreting this to mean this is what they wanted. I believe they investigated getting OBJ and DHop as possible upgrades. And you can have all the stats in the world but playing the WR2 in the Bills offense is a golden opportunity. Kind of like the opportunity Singletary had as RB, average-ish players can put up good stats because of the usage. Excellent players would excel with this opportunity.

What about resurrecting the DHop talk? The Titans stink. Dhop is a veteran that does nothing for their future. DHop has what seems a reasonable contract, 2 yrs $26M+, and he is a third of the way through the year. If Beane floats out our extra Edmunds third maybe Tenn will eat some of the contract.

Unfortunately Tampa's excellent start has taken M Evans out of the in-season trade market. And like how the odds for DHop took a dive when a trade was not able to be made, the odds to the Bills took a hit with the lack of in-season trade. But if the market is as bad for M Evans next year as it was for DHop there is a chance. If M Evans is only a $3-4M excess over G Davis it's possible.

I think the biggest factor is personnel. The upgrade to Cook and Kincaid over Singletary (and over rookie Cook) and McK, along w the improvements to the line. These people are better at receiving and get Josh's and Dorseys trust. Dorsey/Beane tried to get the people last year, tried for the Wash traitor, then drafted Cook, got Crowder and had McK. It boiled down to McK and Singletary were poor at the receiving short passes and it made more sense to go 25-30 yards downfield for the 65% catch rate than the 70% chance of 4-5 yards.

The timing of reposting makes it seem like this is some sort of victory post. Yet by your own self proclaimed playoff centric views that won't be determined until much later. I liked the change because I didn't like how Frazier employed the bend but don't break style. While the win-lose numbers don't bear it out, I didn't like giving QBs that I considered inferior the ability to dink and dunk down the field. It gave the Mac Jones, Zach Wilsons, K Picketts of the world breathing room and a chance to keep things unnecessarily close. And it didn't seem like a good idea against Burrow either. I like what this defense is doing so far, the more aggressive and unpredictable style. But we also have better personnel - Floyd is a major upgrade. And it is starting to look like Edmunds was not only bad, but detrimental to running an aggressive style (when he was injured and we put in Klein I liked the D better).

Be forewarned, Molson has adopted the 11.5 ounce scam now, following the Labatts lead. Canadians......

I think you are seriously understating Cook. Singletary had 38 receptions last year and Cook is better at catching and more explosive once he has it. Cook should be getting around 5 targets a game which will help take off some of the full bore defensive rush at Josh. Also Dawson had 68 targets and 48 receptions last year, and I would expect similar production this year. Kincaid shouldn't eat into it, Kincaid will be getting McK.

I think we are seeing a possible solution develop in front of our eyes. Kincaid and Cook can be 2a/2b with Gabe and Knox being 4a/4b. As for Beane trying for an in-season trade that took a big hit IMO with Tampa winning. The Mike Evans hope just evaporated.

I don't see how you think D Adams would come cheaper than M Evans. M Evans might get 4 yrs $80M if he hits the open market, but he also might not. OBJ and DHop did not. With this consideration in mind, M Evans might accept something in their range $15M/yr- especially if he gets to play for the Bills, a team that is an ideal match for him. This is an advantage of trading for him. D Adams doesn't seem like the type to take less money. D Adams comes across as a bit of a diva. I think it would be a risk to the culture to even try and put together two WRs who both want to be #1. There have been some small little fires with Diggs, adding Adams doubles that. M Evans seems to be a great guy, who seems to have a better understanding of team chemistry and would be coming in for the #2 role.

Maybe we can give Kincaid a little time. Beasley had 15 receptions for 128 yards in his rookie season.

Totally with you on this. Mike Evans seems like a great guy, easy to root for, ready to accept a WR2ish role (already kind of doing it in Tampa). Got to hope for the Tampa collapse continuing, losing 4 out of the next 5. Culminating with a thorough butt whipping by the Bills on Thursday night right before the trade deadline.

With respect to in-season trade targets I would rather have Mike Evans, and Mike Evans is more realistic IMO. I think the Bills want someone who can accept being #2 on our team, have a contract that overlaps Diggs by a year at least (for Diggs insurance- he has shown some stability problems, much as D Adams is kind of doing). And there is a budget, probably a flexible budget but it doesn't seem to be unlimited.