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Behind as in less? Less turnovers is better yeah?

I think we can beat Reid/Mahomes if Allen plays better, McD and the gang coaches better, and the team gets better. All things I believe are possible. McD posted a winning record and a playoff berth with Tyrod so I’m kind of unclear on what point you’re trying to make. Reid had more success without Mahomes than McD had without Allen, but Reid had better QB’s. Reid had McNabb, Vick, and Alex Smith. All infinite better options than Peterman and EJ and the gang. But he still never won a Super Bowl without Mahomes. And he had A LOT of Mahomes-less years, where McD had 1. Where we differ is, yes, obviously McD wouldn’t have as much success without a top 5 QB. There is no team in history that has. BB hasn’t been rattling off Super Bowls without Brady. Arians never won without Brady. Reid never won without Mahomes. Payton and Brees. Kubiak and Manning. The list goes on and on. But that doesn’t mean your QB can’t play better to give you a better shot. Big Ben, Brady, Manning, Mahomes, Brees etc have all vacillated year to year in terms of performance to a certain extent. They didn’t put up 5k yards and 50 TD’s EVERY SEASON. They ebb and flow. So the solution is to put the best possible team around your QB, hope that your QB has a better performance than their average, and hope that it’s enough to beat the other contenders and superstars when it matters. Patrick Mahomes is a better QB than Joe Burrow. But if Mahomes had 3 OL out instead of Burrow for the AFCCG, I believe there’s a REALLY good chance that Burrow is the one playing yesterday. This season, I believe that Josh Allen didn’t elevate his game like he did last season in the postseason. That’s okay. It happens. It’s okay to admit. The team played poorly, coaching wasn’t great and the QB didn’t elevate to a point to overcome that. All things that happen to all great players. The Chiefs won’t continue to run the table in the playoffs for the next decade. Bad breaks will come. The history of the NFL tells us this. In summary, the answer is not “trade Allen” or “fire McD” or whatever. The answer is, “do the best job possible building around your franchise QB, and when the lights are brightest, hope he plays closer to 2020 regular season or 2021 postseason form than 2022 postseason form.”

Where would Andy Reid be without Mahomes? We already know, zero Super Bowls. I disagree ENTIRELY that Josh's recent propensity for TO's have not held this team back. In the Bills 3 losses last year (which locked them out of the 1 seed after the cancelled Bengals game), Josh had 4 picks and 2 FL. 1 less TO of the SIX that he had means we would probably have locked up the 1 seed, the bye (which this team desperately needed), and the path of Jaguars to AFCCG at home vs the winner of Chiefs/Bengals. Does that mean we would have won the Superbowl or even the AFCCG? No, we may not have. But if I had the choice of bye, Jags, then winner of Bengals/Chiefs then Super Bowl vs Dolphins, Bengals, Chiefs in Arrowhead then Superbowl, I take option 1 all day every day.

Because it’s a football discussion board and “Josh is great SHUT UP” isn’t good discussion

I never said this. Surrounding Josh with better talent will help him play better. Better coaching will help him play better. And him not making as many boneheaded decisions will also help him play better. Are there any of those you disagree with?

There's something telling when any mild criticism of Josh Allen, like "I wish he didn't turn over the ball the most in the NFL," or "The QB is somewhat responsible for team success and failure," is met with "SO WE SHOULD JUST TRADE HIM AND DRAFT A ROOKIE QB BLAH BLAH BLAH."

WE HAVE NEVER WON. HOW MUCH LONGER DO YOU NEED TO BE PATIENT FOR

The Eagles got burned when they blitzed. They got burned when they dropped. They had a front 5 that had 56 sacks on the year. They had a league leading 70 sacks. None of them got home. Relying on your players that got you there and were terrorizing opposing teams all year is not a bad gameplan lol.

What? The Eagles hit Mahomes 5 times. The Chiefs hit Hurts twice. You are trying to force a narrative with the wrong data. The Chiefs game plan was just as terrible as the Eagles. Mahomes just didn't drop the ball randomly. That's it. Jalen Hurts had 370 yards and 4 TD's. That's not "picking them apart?" 11 of 18 on first down. 10 more minutes TOP. 72 offensive plays. I understand this is your "Leslie Frazier lost the Super Bowl for the Eagles magnum opus" but come on bro.

Lol would you rather have the MVP or the SB?

Don't need to be a coach to tell you "don't throw this ball" lmao.

Are you gonna show us the Vegas odds for the Super Bowl then?

The Chiefs didn't stop the Eagles for a single second bro. Jalen Hurts just dropped the ball. They didn't return it for a TD because of Spags. That's insane.

Man I wish Josh Allen won 11 MVP's and zero Super Bowls! - @Big Turk a fan of the Fighting Josh Allen's, not the Buffalo Bills.

Imagine caring about Josh Allen's individual awards more than Super Bowl wins. Are you from Wyoming or Buffalo?

That's the fact of the sport. The QB is the leader of the team. They are the single most important position on the team. That's why when they are good, they get paid WAY more than anyone else on the team. And that comes with responsibility.

Yes Brett Favre won individual accomplishments. Who cares? If Josh Allen wins MVP 11 times and never wins a SB, that would not be good enough. Like I said, Brett Favre isn't sitting at the table with Montana and Brady. That's fine, bc I don't really care about that either. Just win one.

Has nothing to do with expectation. No one expected Mahomes to be MVP in year two. He still did it. Josh Allen didn't play well enough to win a Superbowl in any year of his career except 2021. When you are the QB, you take the blame. Rodgers gets crushed when his team rolls over and dies in the postseason. So did Peyton. So did Brees. All HoF guys. Win or shut up.

Josh Allen led the league in total TO's and RZ TO's. He is not as good of a QB as Patrick. When he plays his best, he can play just as well as him. He doesn't play his best nearly as often. Which is why one of them has 2 MVPs and 2 SB's and one of them does not.

Josh Allen looks like the Big Ben to Mahomes' Brady. Will only win one if he doesn't have to play him to get there.

I'm saying that Brett Favre had no right to sit there and say "man I wish I got help like Brady did" when Brady was a much better QB. If Josh Allen is a first ballot HoFer, and doesn't ever win a SB, I won't be happy. If he wins one, he could steal $60M annually from the Bills and show up to camp 300 lbs and I would still love him.

And that's why Favre isn't in anyone's top 5 QB's ever, and why he only won 1 SB, and isn't even close to being the best QB of his era.

Yeah, they definitely "win by more" with Allen under center. The Eagles, that is.

Lmao what Allen led the league in TO's by a decent amount. Led the league in RZ TO's. These are bad statistics for your QB to be the worst at

Yeah, we won our week 5 Super Bowl, they got the 1 seed and won the real Super Bowl. Hell yeah brother!