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Doubt it. You let him walk and take the comp pick.

And there’s the truth. This team NEEDED to restock the D with young talent, they did it. Another PS WR wasn’t needed. Now they are going to plug the gap with a cheap vet that has proven he can fill a role at the NFL level. If you know anything about me, I’m not typically a Beane supporter, but I love the strategy this offseason. I am not proclaiming to have a magic 8 ball on his individual choices and boy do I question Palmer, but the concept he executed is actually brilliant.

out of curiosity, what have the Packers won recently?

With valid reason, the commitments made at WR with contracts to Palmer, Shakir and Samuel make them locks, the 2nd round pick on Keon means you have to give him his opportunity. There was no more money to spend and no real talent to make any difference in this draft, they restocked the D and replaced Knox for next offseason so they can make moves on the O. What do you want? Push one of the aforementioned to the 5th WR role and still have gapping holes on the D?

Well, guess you might as well give up on this year before it starts.

Wait for next year, this team needed a complete overhaul of the D and made major strides to do it. The offense was good last season and they added more than subtracted, plus get a couple guys back from injury and more experience. I’m not saying I’m a huge Palmer fan, but Josh seems to elevate every WR he plays with and if the guy really can separate, then I’d bet he has a heck of a year. Shakir will be close to 1k and hopefully Kincaid is shown the weight room this offseason and comes ready to play. With the running game being featured, there aren’t a lot of balls to go around from there.

The expectation of spending big draft capital on WR was silly. It’s a weak class to start and deep in other positions of need. If you look at the contracts/investment the top 4 WRs are set. Shakir, Palmer, Keon and Samuel. The 5th/possible 6 is never seeing the field in an ideal world. Like it or not, they have to let Coleman prove himself, Palmer is starting and Samuel is going to get a lot more looks, assuming he’s healthy AND they still have time to add someone or see who emerges in camp.

The more I look at this entire draft the more I think it’s prepping for next off-season. They have too many DL, specifically guys that can play 3T or 1T, they have excess Edge guys, excess DBs and a TE that does not seem to make sense…. All until it does. Oliver saves money by being cut next year, Jones is already one foot out the door, don’t expect Bosa back, the DB room could be almost entirely replaced from what we saw in 2023 including the obvious one year guys. Oh and where does this big ole blocking TE fit? The Knox replacement. I’m not going to pretend I have a clue about the individual guys Beane chose, but I see a plan forming and I like it. Great plan in place and WR can be heavily addressed next draft to restock the pantry with what one hopes is a better class. As of right now, the room was too full to do much anyway with Shakir, Palmer, Keon, Samuel as virtual locks and somebody competing as ST player and WR at flex. I get it, I don’t love it, but they have to let Keon make or break this year and the contracts pretty much force their hand on the others.

Goodbye Davidson? Idk, maybe they see him as a swing tackle project?

I feel like the Rams become the logical choice, Stafford should be done, they don’t have the next guy in line. 4th round is a great gamble.

Did it in college and can play that role now, he probably won’t, but he’s proven he’s absolutely mediocre without somebody taking the blockers off him, might as well let him just hold the point of attack and let the real talent go after the QB.

Ever consider they aren’t? Ed has proven he’s a nobody and he can play 1T, so why not let him? Let a guy with actual talent go up the field and push the pocket.

I would be pumped to come away with Will Johnson in the 2nd, even if it requires a trade up. With all the passing in the league, I don’t care if you have 6 starting CBs on the roster, you can’t have enough. More realistically, there are a lot of WR and S options left and adding one of each in the 2nd would be great. This team NEEDS a starting FS and I’ll argue to the death they don’t have one and the SS isn’t much better until Bishop proves otherwise. Rapp is a solid back up, the fact he’s starting and doing ok is a testament to McD and a sad state of affairs for the talent in the secondary. In my opinion, the back field had exactly 2 guys who are starters in the league playing last year and they managed to do really well considering everything. I’m not a McD fan, but he gets A LOT out of DBs. Give him more talent and let’s see what he can do.

I agree, to me there was a large contingent of players looking like spoiled brats with their clothes. Golden looked/acted like the biggest Diva out there to me, but it is what it is.

He’s wearing the same crap everyone else is. If you don’t like him, fine, but the giant chain/belt buckle necklace is the thing this year apparently.

I was excited at the chance to get Johnson, but the medical reports must be bad for him to slide as he has. I like what I see from the highlights here, he’s definitely explosive and flies to the ball. Hopefully, he stays healthy and McD can maximize his talent, could be an awesome pick.

Sure wouldn’t surprise me if he got a guest spot on a team for a US tournament over the offseason.

might be an interesting project as a Dawkins replacement.

I wish that was a joke.

Yet they haven’t brought Cooper back.. hmmm

Please sign this guy, there’s not one safety on the roster that can hold his jock strap. It’s a huge and immediate upgrade. If I have to watch Hamlin get burned one more time I’m gonna hurl.

He’s faster.. in a foot race and the race to crazy and broke.

Thats what I’m saying when I say I don’t think he fits in that conversation. He’s been great and done it a long time. Records fall when you combine elite level play and longevity. Frank Gore is a great example of a fairly average player getting to records through longevity. Gore was good, don’t get me wrong, but if he had a typical length career, nobody is thinking he has a shot at the HOF. That’s just insane. Agreed on all fronts, he was amazing, it’s like he saw things that nobody else did. I liken his style to a great point guard, who also could score. Maybe a Steve Nash or Jason Kidd kind of thing, where yeah they CAN score 40, but they are more happy to drop 18 pts and have 15 assists.

ON PACE to, as in, needs to maintain a pace that is nearly impossible to maintain for the next decade, avoiding injury, etc. That’s the key to everything. Extrapolating stats means nothing. It’s like saying James Cook is the best back in the NFL after 2022 because he averaged 5.7 yards per carry and if he got the 350 carries like a lead back, he would have 2k yards. (BTW Barkley averaged 5.8 YPC last year on 345 carries, that’s INSANE), it doesn’t matter until you do it. I do agree on one account though, I don’t love it when guys who are just “good” break records purely out of longevity. I look at baseball a lot for this one. Eddy Murray is a HoF player bc he has 500 home runs, he never had more than 33 in a season and finished the last 6 years of his 20 years as a guy that really should have been replaced, but those mediocre years let him get enough stats to make him appear like one of the all time great home run hitters. There are countless guys like that out there. I don’t feel like Ovechkin falls in that category. Last year was a down year, but he has rebounded and should finish this year with over 50 goals and a positive +-, and even last year 31 goals isn’t terrible, it’s just not up to his standards where we expect him to have 50+ in a full season.

I like this summary of it best. Ovechkin is one of the greats of the game. Gretzky likely wouldn’t be quite as good today because the level of athletes is just different, but to my eye, he’s still the best to ever do it. Guys are bigger, faster, stronger and more specialized now, but Gretzky is more like Brady, not the greatest athlete, he just saw things differently. He was a true wizard out there, more like Crosby than Ovechkin in that respect. I take absolutely nothing away from Ovi, can’t see that goal record really being broken either, it takes such insane dedication and no doubt luck, to be able to play so long at such a high level and avoid injury all the while. To do what either accomplished is nothing short of amazing. I would say the sack record is NEARLY unbreakable, you would need 14 years of exceptionally high level play to get there. Thats averaging 15 a year. To do that from 22 to 36 with the athletes they play against today, it’s a really tall task. Impossible? Nothing is impossible, but to put it into context, Myles Garrett, the best DE we have seen in a long time took 8 seasons to get half way to Bruce. At that pace, he needs 8 more years of that same pace to catch him. If he can’t maintain pace, he’s going to need to play productively until he’s 40. The odds of any of that happening are just astronomical. Von Miller is the leading active player for sacks at 129.5, you know he’s not adding 70 more. TJ Watt is the next realistic guy at 108, 8 years in to his career. No offense to any of these guys, but I just don’t see any of them getting within 3 or 4 full SEASONS worth of sacks in comparison to Bruce. The level of competition is too high, not only that which they are going against, but from competition for their spots on the roster. It will be interesting to me to see if Mahomes or anybody for that matter can match Brady’s rings. I think if anyone can it will be Mahomes simply because of the start he’s had and the passion he plays the game with. I could see him playing to 40+, if he can add like 2 more rings in the next 4-5 years, he’s got a real shot. Hopefully, JA stops him and wins the next 4 in a row to redeem Buffalo’s 4 losses in a row, but we will see.