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I mean, watch the routes he was running in New Orleans. Are we using him at all?

Really? The offense has been healthy. The defense just added two critical starters and all these back up's will keep gaining more experience. My money is on the defense "righting" the ship.

I think the defense will get it together. I like our additions. The depth will grow with experience. But we will still need to score 30 or more to do anything further. I'm honestly much less worried about the defense coming around after the Bengals game. We played physical after the first quarter. Burrow was limited. Certainly played well enough to win.

It has played out time and time again. The greatest power of a QB is an ability to read a defense and get the ball out quickly, accurately, and consistently. While I feel Josh has unique skills and he is certainly much better than average, he does not do what I just said very well. Which will always be what prevents him from being in the class some people want to place him.

Ya, not sold myself, but makes some sense. We are seeing teams do this late in games. The math gets pretty straight forward on doing this at the success rates of 2 point conversions.

It's becoming common now. New analytics. I think the thought is the combined likelihood of getting one two point conversion in two tries, with the potential that it occurs first (which essentially wins the game) is better than the likelihood of winning while playing for the tie and OT.

Did Beane consult with you before he did this? It doesn't seem like he did.

It seems to me this offense performs best with 3 Wide and Kincaid split out. Shakir has been solid and has that agility and acceleration in short spaces that was similar to Cole. I don't know where Knox fits in anymore. I certainly hope Dorsey doesn't try and force this 12 personnel concept onto the offense when he gets healthy.

It was a hypothetical. If we had 5 quarters.

This is probably my favorite response in this thread. Are we that good at in game adjustments or are we that bad at pre game preparation?

Sounds about right

Do you think we would have won or not? Plenty of threads to air complaints in today. This is a simple question.

We outscored the Bengals 11-10 after the 1st quarter. Defense found it's footing and offense seemed to do so in the 4th quarter. Honest question. I think it's likely. If nothing else, we would trade some blows.

I hate that as well but understand why it happens

I don't agree with the lack of work ethic. He's seeing ghosts right now and we don't have anybody that can explain why, next steps. Nobody to give him understanding or confidence. It's just not a good situation.

I was commenting on this stuff prior to the year starting. It's not new. Josh is a "see it" QB. He's not a timing or rhythm QB. He has appeared at times in the past to be this type of player. This is where Dorsey comes along. I feel Dabs simplified Josh's progressions. He ran more pre snap motion to signal what a defense was doing. His whole philosophy was to build around what Josh does well. Dorsey just expects Josh to execute. Perhaps that's not an unreasonable ask for a franchise QB, but you can see the results.

I wonder if Sean is limiting no huddle? It's not usually something a defensive coordinator would endorse.

This is a veteran team. They're fighting, but I'm sure it feels uphill a lot and that gets exhausting.

Fumbling on the 10 yard line in the 4th quarter could be called many things.

Under no condition do you ever challenge a 9 yard completion in that situation. If it is really that obvious the league would do a quick review and overturn it. Once the league doesn't do that, it's not obvious and at that point not worth the risk.

We need to win when we allow 24 points and offense is our strength. We again, come to life at the end. When it appears like Allen ball.

You risk a timeout over 10 yards when you need the ball back? Are you serious?

Totes Billsy

He's much better at reading where the ball needs to go and gets it out quickly and accurately. Josh plays that way when he's "in the zone". When he's not, he's indecisive, pats the ball, looks like a rookie.

Billsy? Too soon