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HARDEST of passes...

Neither are a sure thing. I didn't say they were. But one has quite a few more flags than the other. Bills have picks to spend to get the right guy. At the right price, we should all hope they're willing to do that.

One dominated the SEC and is prototype size. The other was up and down in the... [literally having to check what league Houston is in] AAC and is undersized for the position... Not sure what else there is to say about it but if you consider the two comparable then we're not going to see eye to eye on this one...

I think this is a real possibility... Most fans speculating and formulating their opinions on these players and general trade values are basing them on industry mocks... What those mocks aren't taking into account, often, are teams moving up for QBs. That happening is about as routine as the sun rising. I'm not saying the Bills will trade up to 2 or 3 for Quinnen, but if you assume that the top of the draft features a few teams trading up for QBs and the possibility of Bosa and possibly Allen going ahead of Williams, depending on what teams are looking for... It's not inconceivable that he falls to 5 or 6, at which point I could see the Bills moving a pick or two to get Williams. I know a lot of people here like Oliver, but the fact is that he's not a guarantee... Tough to take a guy who may or may not pan out that high. Williams looks like as sure a pick as there is in this draft and fits a HUGE need...

Light as a feather my friend -- I knew it was a joke. Just thought it was interesting that you brought a bazooka to a knife fight Believe me, I get that what he did is a red flag to some. I've noticed that Buffalo fans, especially, are very focused on character -- which is great! Violence towards women is never okay, but I also think it's okay to give people second chances, again, especially when what they did happened as a kid and doesn't show a pattern of behavior. Just my take. In a perfect world, he goes on to become a superstar (for the Bills) and takes the Mike Vick route and uses his position and success to help change the paradigm... Kid is top-10 talent (Tillery is not) if he fell to us in the 2nd, I'd be okay with giving him that chance...

He is. And I never said he was a choirboy, though interesting you'd rather draft a mass murderer who tried to institute a race riot ?... Simmons' incident happened in high school and he's had no issues since then. That doesn't absolve or justify his actions, I've seen the tape, what he did was horrendous. That said, he was an 18 year old kid and people grow and mature. It's unfortunate, but the NFL is full of players who've had past transgressions, Leonard Little was allowed to play after multiple fatal DUIs... Sometimes talent wins out.

Tillery and Jeffrey Simmons would be names to watch in the 2nd. Past that, I really like Khalen Saunders in the 4th

A lot of these guys (Ansah, Wilkerson, Irvin, to name a few) are still going to get paid... That said, if cheap enough, sign me up for any of: Callahan, Dennard, literally ANY of the DEs mentioned, Jernigan, Wilkerson, Liuget, Marshall, Sitton or Vit, Boston, and any of the TEs mentioned... Again though, I don't think most of those guys will be had at bargain bin prices...

My reading of the tea leaves (based off of the actual players they brought in and how the contracts were structured) is that Beane is going to be looking at bringing in a lot of guys to develop for a year and really look to blow out the depth of this team for a longer term run at things... To me, perfect probably looks something like this: 1. [UNLESS Quinnen Williams falls (he won't)] Trade down to teens -- fully on board with this -- take Jonah Williams, Taylor or Dillard 1b. Trade back up to late 1 -- also fully on board with this -- take Jeffrey Simmons 2. Take best available big-bodied WR (my board would be: Metcalf, Butler, Harry, AJ Brown) 3. Take Josh Oliver -- LOVE this kid at TE 4. Best RB available

Agreed, to a certain extent. He played great in the Natty, and no Lawrence wasn't next to him, but (just playing Devil's advocate at this point) that's both a one-game sample size and against some of the worst interior line play Bama has had in a long long time. I think it's less that I think he's bad, and more than I just don't want to take much risk with a prime pick like that. I will say, if we traded down into the teens, I'd be MUCH MUCH more okay with this pick, but if I had my druthers, we'd just take Simmons at the end of Rd. 1 (or hope he falls to us in Rd. 2) and sign a stop-gap FA for a year... If we really feel the need for a DL in this draft, take Khalen Saunders or Terry Beckner in the 4th... I think you'd get 80-85% of the production with minimal risk...

I just can't bring myself to get onboard with either Oliver or Wilkins. I'm not going to flat out call either a bust, but I have concerns that either will live up to the draft hype, and we cannot afford to miss on top-10 picks... Granted, it's a bit of an apples/oranges comparison, because most saw John McCargo as a bad pick to begin with, but I'd be afraid of a similar situation drafting ANY of those Clemson defensive lineman... McCargo benefited immensely by playing next to Mario Williams and Manny Lawson and as a result was grossly overdrafted. I can't tell you which player I think is the McCargo and which are the Mario/Lawson on that Clemson line, but I do think any of them pose some risk there -- none of Wilkins/Bryant/Lawrence/Ferrell are great athletes, Lawrence has the PEDs issue, etc. I just think between inferior ACC competition and playing together for as long as they did, the whole was better than the sum of those parts... Don't get me wrong, I LOVE that attitude, and it certainly seems like Wilkins would fit well in this locker room, but I don't see him being a major disruptor in the NFL. Hope I'm wrong, seems like an awesome kid. Oliver, to me, feels like the NFL's version of Marcus Fizer. NBA scouts thought Fizer was too big and strong for small forwards to guard and too quick and athletic for power forwards... Instead, he was too small and weak to do anything against PFs and too slow/not skilled enough to beat SFs... Oliver's first step is exciting, but to me, I'm worried that he's too small to constantly contribute in the trenches AND stay healthy, yet not athletic enough to play on the edge. I think you're drafting him hoping and praying that he can become Melvin Ingram, but Ingram dominated against vastly superior competition and STILL took 4 years to emerge into much of anything...

I posted this in another thread, but definitely think it fits this discussion too --- definitely worth the read! https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/debunking-the-myth-of-the-weak-2019-wr-class The gist is that the NFL is evolving into a league where the definition of "#1 WR" no longer has to mean the Randy Moss/TO prototype. As Beane said at the combine, it's more about guys who can figure out a way to get open and/or schemes to get them open. So if the question is, do we need DK Metcalf to win, the above would suggest no. That being said, there are a variety of ways of getting open, and the NFL will always be a league where mismatches are highly sought after. So it's also not unfair to say, simply walking off the bus, that DK Metcalf possess advantages in his height, verticality and physicality that John Brown does not. Another way of saying this is that physical attributes are still an advantage (duh) but not the be-all/end-all that they once were perceived to be. With yesterday's pickups, we have speed to stretch the field in Brown and Foster, and guys who can work the seems and the middle in Zay and Beasley... What we lack is that vertical/physical/catch-radius component (which might be critical, given JA's less than pinpoint accuracy) that can be so critical in extending drives and succeeding in the red zone. Going into the draft, I loved Deebo Samuel and McClaurin, but given everything above, I think if we go WR early, it will likely be more of the big bodied type. Not, necessarily because you need that to win, but because it will contribute to the diversity of this offense (just please don't let it be JJ Arcega-Whiteside!!! ?)...

Disappointment, yes. They've also been using him incorrectly. To me, he's Shaq Lawson +++ and would be a very nice complement to Hughes, while also essentially extending our "rookie contract investment" that we're on with Shaq currently. If the price were cheap enough, he's all upside...

Given how many holes we've addressed... I wouldn't be altogether shocked if we tried to trade up for Quinnen Williams. Might just be my biases, but to me there's a lot of question marks around Oliver, Dre'Mont Jones, Wilkins and obviously Simmons is hurt... Williams is the cleanest prospect in the DT group by far...

Seems like Thomas could be had for less than that. Would be an awesome pickup on the cheap...

Think about Duke like a free lottery ticket... Sure, he's got a chance to hit, and if so, you're in the money with absolutely nothing invested! If he doesn't, and odds are probably against him hitting, it's (hopefully) nothing you were counting on as an investment strategy...

While I think that narrative is a bit overblown, I also think its fair to look at the franchise's history with marquee FAs and recognize that they're really only ever landed one. Today and yesterday have been exciting, but I don't see any of these guys -- perhaps with the exception of Morse (who still has injury questions) as any different from past years. I think the easy way to look at it is -- what would the LA Rams, Dallas Cowboys, Chicago Bears, etc. have offered guys like Brown or Beasley -- I think the clear answer is less. So while this season has perhaps been moving the needle in the right direction, I don't think that narrative is completely false, either.

Yep, I was going to post the same thing, when playing with Flacco he put up good numbers, drew several PIs (that obviously don't go to his stats) and just missed on several other big plays. Unmentioned is the fact that our top 3 WRs are all very versatile and can succeed from multiple spots in the formation...

No question it's less than ideal, but taking measured risks like this is really our only path back to relevance. Gotta win on the margins in small markets.

VERY deep. Metcalf, both Browns, Butler, Harmon, Harry, Ridley, Samuel, Campbell, Hardman, Arcega-Whiteside (ugh), Isabella (ugh), McLaurin, and Hall could all be big time performers in the right situation...

Lots to unpack here... First thought: You're not interested in OBJ because we'd have to give up our 1... but how are we going to get AJGreen? Second... This article is worth the read -- the "alpha receiver" is a dying paradigm in this NFL -- it's all about leveraging your players' strengths and finding the right players for the right roles. Third... Metcalf's agility drills were underwhelming, but consider a few things: 1) the combine is a beauty pageant, there's no way he'll play at the size he was there -- without question that bulk affected his agility 2) even if he's not the most agile player in the league, the short shuttle means VEEEEERRRRY little for WRs, and many big name WRs have had bad 3-cone drills, and many very bad ones have had great 3-cone drills... Nuke Hopkins had an awful 3-cone drill... I'd be leery about him, but dismissing him because of one bad measurement is silly. I'm with you on not loving OBJ's attitude, but I don't think AJGreen is as gettable as some would like to believe, nor do I really think he's the answer to our solutions. Daryl Williams would be great, I'm honestly surprised there's not been more tangible news connecting us to him, it makes too much sense to not be happening.

Bob has zero sources. He's something beyond a fraud. Here's his thought process: Paradis is in NY (because that's where Vaynerchuk's agency is located)... His agent, Gary Vaynerchuk is a very outspoken NYJ fan (has talked about wanting to be the owner one day) Jets need a C and have been connected to Paradis for that reason Ergo, Paradis to NYJ. Might happen, might not but all the dude does is connect dots, throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks...

Price dependent, but at the right price, absolutely!

One thing I think Beane and McD have been consistent about from day 1 is a recognition that in a small market, you have to win on the margins -- take advantage of every "value"... I think the simplest answer is they were trying to get AB at a value that they felt was worth it... His attitude, contract demands, etc. aren't a surprise, so you factor all of that into the compensation... If the rumor last night of a swap of 1s was true, Bills likely wanted an OL at 9 -- likely one of Williams, Dillard, Ford, Taylor and Bradbury would've still been there at 20, so effectively the compensation to get AB amounts to you drafting a guy you would've been fine with drafting at 9. If that's the case, prima donna or no, a team like Buffalo (had AB been willing to come) HAS to take that value...