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Better being the operative word. Not sure he'll ever be a high-end starter though. I don't think DE is the spot to focus on here (or possibly at all, in this draft), but if we look later, a guy like Crosby, Ximines or Joe Jackson probably makes the most sense.

Does not clear the baseline athletic scores typically conducive to NFL success at DE. Lack of competition. He ain't got it...

Little to nothing, at least today... I don't care what next offseason looks like, you don't sign 6 FA offensive linemen -- with at least 2 viable candidates already on your roster -- just to use a top 50 pick on yet another one. Especially when you're trying to dispel the notion that FAs don't like signing with you... Draft a developmental tackle in the 4th or 5th, or if somebody like McCoy plummets to just absurd value, then cool. But there are much more important needs to fill with the talent available to do it today.

This might be the pettiest and saddest thing I've ever seen on the internet. Good for you @Yav congrats on getting those props for sort of being right on the order in which wide receivers were taken in the draft.

Good thing Ed doesn't weigh anything close what an actual NFL DT weighs!

I wouldn't either. Oliver has serious concerns, Ferguson's a 6th rd talent at best and McLaurin is more of what we already have at wr. Hard pass. EDIT: AND WE TRADED UP FOR OLIVER?!?!?!?!? FML, really glad Joey B ain't our GM...

No question it's fun to imagine, and as others have said, it can be a halfway decent guide to trying to quantify the unquantifiable. And I wasn't trying to be a dick or a knowitall in my response, just trying to educate those who try to present it as (or genuinely might think be) gospel. I've had the good fortune to get to know a few GMs and top personnel people over the last few years and they don't even use those as a guide anymore.

Jones has a couple good years left, I don't doubt that -- so I'd be all about it if that were somehow real. But I doubt it is, and the thought of it being Ridley is, well... not real.

I just don't know what you do with Sanu. We can only have so many WRs on the field. He doesn't do what Foster and Brown do, so they're safe, we just signed Beasley, so it would be weird to immediately replace him... sure, he's maybe an "okay" upgrade to Zay? But he's older and more expensive. I suppose, in some strange dystopia where we just absolutely fail to address the TE spot you could roll 5wide a lot and have Sanu be your defacto TE, but that seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Good player, just a weird fit for this specific team. Now if you could get a 3rd team involved, might be worth it?

Depending on the price I'd definitely do it. Not sure we'd be able to swing a LT though, considering Houston would be trading up for one of them. Clowney essentially is a massive upgrade to Lawson, so you can also work in what (likely little) trade comp we could get back for him. Even then -- I'd take a swap of ones and, say a 5 (for Shaq) to get Clowney!

Never going to happen. Honestly think he probably holds as much, if not more value in ATL than Julio does at this point.

No one said you can't discuss trade possibilities. The point is that these trades are not a math problem, and NFL GMs don't treat them as such. Just because there's a few charts that were made in the 80s that say that certain picks equal "fair" value to other picks in a trade, doesn't mean the other team is even remotely interested in making that trade. So sure, speculate all you want that we could trade up or trade down and what it might take to do so, but the problem comes when those charts begin to set expectations of what is and isn't fair value when trades happen in real life. It's one thing to say "If the value is right, I'd love to see us trade up for Quinnen Williams" -- it's an entirely different thing to say "Quinnen Williams fell to 5, the draft chart says we only have to give up our 3 and 4 for him, DO IT" -- and then be pissed when we don't because in reality Tampa is demanding our 3 and next year's 1. See the difference?

Exactly this. The trade charts are purely a fan thing at this point. Each team has their own valuation of their picks/slots based on who's making the decisions (looking at you Washington), who's available, what kind of leverage they have (teams automatically pay more for trading up for a QB), what their needs are (in terms of players, positions and current and future picks). Sometimes the charts can get close, sometime's they're not even close. I immediately tune out anyone using those charts as any sort of tangible "evidence" for anything.

Probably this one? I can't see ATL trading Julio for JUST a trade swap, and can't see how Sanu gives us enough TO swap picks... Unless we're giving up our 2 and a swap for Julio, this doesn't seem to fit.

I will say, as a relatively new poster -- with one extremely racist exception -- I've been really impressed with the ability of this board to maintain a halfway decent and respectful conversation. Sure there's arguments, but that's par (or under) for the course. We Bills fans are good people and my perspectives, as divisive as some have been, have felt welcome and embraced from day 1. So thanks TBD! It's been fun -- I promise not to gloat when we take DK over Oliver or pi$$ and moan relentlessly when we trade up FOR Oliver (though that'll be a massive mistake!) Go Bills!

Gonna be a lot of unhappy campers on this board if Oliver is there and Buffalo doesn't take him. That is, until they see him make zero impact in the league because he's a 265 lb DT and they all magically forget they were ever in love with the dude...

Also had a lot of competition for touches and a cr@ppy QB throwing too him... But clearly, as history has shown to be the case 100% of the time, college production dictates pro production.... ?

whoa... maybe a 3 and a 4 in the 2025 draft! That's way too much to give up for a guy who hasn't proven anything in the league... That said, I'd be VERY happy with getting him, just think it can be had for quite a bit cheaper than that...

Forgot to mention Jaylon Ferguson... That dude is not going to be an NFL player -- I wouldn't touch him in the 4th, let alone 2nd like many are mocking...

All depends on where they're picked, but I generally don't believe in: Oliver Gary Isabella, Parris Campbell and other small WRs -- just not what we need out there Devin White (I think he'll be a fine player but we don't need a MLB, he can't play outside, and it's ludicrous to ask the guy you just gave the keys to the defense to, to move positions) TJ -- he'll go higher than his value is ANY CB in the first few rds -- we're fine there, need help elsewhere

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Absolute lunacy.

For the life of me I cannot see why everyone is so gaga about Oliver. If he falls to us at 9 and the braintrust thinks he's the guy, then fine. I'm not a pro scout for a reason. But there are people on here talking about trading up for him and I'm just...