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You and I aren't arguing about Taylor, that's somebody else... Harry played well against a really bad Pac 12. Brown and DK played as well or better in a stellar SEC. I think that's the difference to me. My only issue is that you can't evaluate a guy in one or two words. I'm extremely confident that both Butler and DK will be good-great WRs in this league...

That's fine, it doesn't seem like you've done a whole lot of research, I happen to think your opinions on the first two are incredibly incomplete and am not sure how you can be unsold on someone you know absolutely nothing about, but so as long as you're not Brandon Beane, you're certainly entitled to having less than a completely researched opinion.

Would also be roughly the amount in pounds he's giving up to the guy across the LOS! ?

DK, Butler and AJ Brown are all very talented WRs, regardless of class who would add to the talent in our locker room. I've said this before but I'll repeat it, our WR corps consists of: Smokey Brown, who has bounced around and never really *made it* anywhere -- that's not all bad luck. Zay Jones, who's had half of a solid season and literally almost killed himself prior to that. Hopefully he turned the corner, but not a guy I'm counting as a rock solid producer for the next decade. Robert Foster, who went undrafted and had half a season of success (after getting cut by us -- one of the worst teams in the league last year, after seeing what he could do for 4 months...) Like Zay, hopefully something clicked and he's turned a corner, but it's just as likely that teams were disrespecting him/Allen and forcing them to beat them with the long ball. Cole Beasley -- good slot guy but he doesn't offer a ton in the way of dynamism or mismatches. Duke Williams -- the CFL is not the NFL and he's already flamed out once... Not exactly a murderer's row... At this point everyone has their warts, but a good coach can find ways to win with the guys I mentioned above.

I don't think we can afford to wait and give our franchise QB "serviceable"... The talent is there now, the risk has been removed, and we don't have any completely glaring holes elsewhere (aside from TE), but I addressed that too...

If I had my way, we'd wait on TE and OT... Take your alpha WR at 2 (DK, Butler, AJB in that order), get a TE at 3 (Sternberger, Oliver, Knox, Walling) and then you can take a developmental T (Edwards) and DE in the 4th. Or for that matter, trade one of the 4s and maybe a 2020 3 or 4 for Solomon Thomas -- I like that solution even better.

And just a personal suggestion -- anyone flaming anyone for something this petty, especially when its concerning something as random and unpredictable as the NFL draft should be roundly ignored, not catered to. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're a younger guy, but just know that I don't know one grown adult who would "flame you" for having an opinion on a college football player, and I certainly don't know one who would come back weeks later to gloat about something so arbitrary and random. Just food for thought.

The cone drill evaluates 90+ degree movements at speed. Recovery is far closer measured by explosion: worth reading. "D.K. Metcalf's 10-yard split of his 4.33-second 40-yard dash clocked in at 1.45 seconds. This is the fastest 10-split by any combine runner in my database (starting in 2003). For some context, this is faster than Julio Jones' 1.50 10-yard split and 4.42 second 40-yard dash and they are similar heights: Metcalf checked in at 6-3 3/8 and 228 pounds, while Jones was 6-2 3/4 and 220 pounds."

DK would replace Zay in the offense. Zay +40 for 33 and maybe a 5th seems like pretty fair value to me.

I think the "when has X ever won a super bowl" deal is really outplayed... Just a couple years ago it was always defense wins championships, and yet now there are 50 point per game offenses in the playoffs every year. The league is evolving into one of exploiting mismatches, regardless of position... DK -- especially with Josh Allen throwing to him, offers that. Waaay later, sure.

Legit question -- can you show me where you're seeing that they "love" Jaylon Ferguson?

Better being the operative word. Not sure he'll ever be a high-end starter though. I don't think DE is the spot to focus on here (or possibly at all, in this draft), but if we look later, a guy like Crosby, Ximines or Joe Jackson probably makes the most sense.

Does not clear the baseline athletic scores typically conducive to NFL success at DE. Lack of competition. He ain't got it...

Little to nothing, at least today... I don't care what next offseason looks like, you don't sign 6 FA offensive linemen -- with at least 2 viable candidates already on your roster -- just to use a top 50 pick on yet another one. Especially when you're trying to dispel the notion that FAs don't like signing with you... Draft a developmental tackle in the 4th or 5th, or if somebody like McCoy plummets to just absurd value, then cool. But there are much more important needs to fill with the talent available to do it today.

This might be the pettiest and saddest thing I've ever seen on the internet. Good for you @Yav congrats on getting those props for sort of being right on the order in which wide receivers were taken in the draft.

Good thing Ed doesn't weigh anything close what an actual NFL DT weighs!

I wouldn't either. Oliver has serious concerns, Ferguson's a 6th rd talent at best and McLaurin is more of what we already have at wr. Hard pass. EDIT: AND WE TRADED UP FOR OLIVER?!?!?!?!? FML, really glad Joey B ain't our GM...

No question it's fun to imagine, and as others have said, it can be a halfway decent guide to trying to quantify the unquantifiable. And I wasn't trying to be a dick or a knowitall in my response, just trying to educate those who try to present it as (or genuinely might think be) gospel. I've had the good fortune to get to know a few GMs and top personnel people over the last few years and they don't even use those as a guide anymore.

Jones has a couple good years left, I don't doubt that -- so I'd be all about it if that were somehow real. But I doubt it is, and the thought of it being Ridley is, well... not real.

I just don't know what you do with Sanu. We can only have so many WRs on the field. He doesn't do what Foster and Brown do, so they're safe, we just signed Beasley, so it would be weird to immediately replace him... sure, he's maybe an "okay" upgrade to Zay? But he's older and more expensive. I suppose, in some strange dystopia where we just absolutely fail to address the TE spot you could roll 5wide a lot and have Sanu be your defacto TE, but that seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Good player, just a weird fit for this specific team. Now if you could get a 3rd team involved, might be worth it?

Depending on the price I'd definitely do it. Not sure we'd be able to swing a LT though, considering Houston would be trading up for one of them. Clowney essentially is a massive upgrade to Lawson, so you can also work in what (likely little) trade comp we could get back for him. Even then -- I'd take a swap of ones and, say a 5 (for Shaq) to get Clowney!

Never going to happen. Honestly think he probably holds as much, if not more value in ATL than Julio does at this point.

No one said you can't discuss trade possibilities. The point is that these trades are not a math problem, and NFL GMs don't treat them as such. Just because there's a few charts that were made in the 80s that say that certain picks equal "fair" value to other picks in a trade, doesn't mean the other team is even remotely interested in making that trade. So sure, speculate all you want that we could trade up or trade down and what it might take to do so, but the problem comes when those charts begin to set expectations of what is and isn't fair value when trades happen in real life. It's one thing to say "If the value is right, I'd love to see us trade up for Quinnen Williams" -- it's an entirely different thing to say "Quinnen Williams fell to 5, the draft chart says we only have to give up our 3 and 4 for him, DO IT" -- and then be pissed when we don't because in reality Tampa is demanding our 3 and next year's 1. See the difference?

Exactly this. The trade charts are purely a fan thing at this point. Each team has their own valuation of their picks/slots based on who's making the decisions (looking at you Washington), who's available, what kind of leverage they have (teams automatically pay more for trading up for a QB), what their needs are (in terms of players, positions and current and future picks). Sometimes the charts can get close, sometime's they're not even close. I immediately tune out anyone using those charts as any sort of tangible "evidence" for anything.

Probably this one? I can't see ATL trading Julio for JUST a trade swap, and can't see how Sanu gives us enough TO swap picks... Unless we're giving up our 2 and a swap for Julio, this doesn't seem to fit.