CincyBillsFan

I don't know about this. First we've just started to pay Allen. Back in 2020 & 21 we weren't paying him squat. Maybe if the Bills had focused on the offense and not the defense we would have a SB trophy or two. You know use that #9 pick in 2019 (or move up or down) on an offensive player. Move up and they could have snatched Hockinson for example. And then instead of signing Miller in 2022 they sign the best FA WR, RB or O lineman available. And last I looked Allen is now the 10th highest paid QB soon to drop out of the top ten. The Bills should be approaching a 2nd sweet spot where an elite Allen is underpaid retaliative to the other elite franchise QB's. Are we ready to take advantage of that moment? Or will Pegula keep McD & Bean and use our mid round 1st round pick on a corner back or safety?

There is never a game in which players execute the offense perfectly. Well wait Allen and company's win in the playoffs against NE comes close. But over all it's an insane expectation. The FACT is that the Bills offense played great against the Eagles. That loss as with many others can be laid at the feet of questionable coaching decisions.

I believe and maybe "hope" is a better word, that it's a much more nuanced situation to Pegula then the one you describe. IMO last night's Bengals/Jags result provided an example of why McD must go and be replaced by an offensive minded coach. Zak Taylor was masterful in leading a Bengals team minus their franchise QB to a win on the road over a better team. Sure a lot of Cincy fans criticized Taylor for trying TWO WR pass plays (I was watching the game with a number of Bengal fans last night) but the realty is that the Bengals template won a game no one expected them to win. Last night showed us why it's important to surround your elite QB with as much talent as possible. Because when they go down it enables the back up to play much better then he would on an offense (like the Bills) de-prioritized in favor of the defense.

Don't forget that right after that terrible PF penalty on Green Bay for hitting Mahomes the ref called a Chiefs player out of bounds who clearly had their forward momentum stopped in the field of play. If the ref makes the right call here and keeps the clock running the Chiefs were going to lose a lot of time off the clock. So yea, after screwing Green Bay in back to back calls they're suddenly going to enforce a legit PI to help the Chiefs? My guess is NY intervened there.

The reason I think this is 100% wrong is that I'm very confident that Pegula is not stupid and is fully aware of the impact of the coaching change in Indy. They brought in an offensive minded guy with a proven track record and he has the Colts ahead of the Bills for a playoff berth with a backup QB. I have to believe that McD must get the Bills into the playoffs to keep his job.

Purdy is a very good QB. He reminds me of Ken Anderson with the Bengal's. I would rate Purdy behind only Mahomes, Allen & Burrow.

The NFL is insane. They are unable to make the right decision when there is something like what just happened. So let me get this straight: One of the 49's best defensive players commits a PF at the sideline and it's flagged. He then gets into a scuffle with the Eagles head of security who is also on the sideline. BOTH the 49's player and the head of security are tossed out of the game. I think the Eagles take that trade off every time its offered. So now the Bills need to hire a big fat Gumbah put him on the sideline and tell him to start trouble with the opponents players. Like I said the NFL is insane.

I don't recall saying that? Before he got hurt today he did seem to be better then Bills WR's from 2018/2019 including Brown, Benjamin, Holmes, Beasely, Jones and McKenzie. Are you still mad that I called you out about your unhinged criticisms of Allen? Even in a comment about Stroud you just can't help yourself taking a cheap shot at Allen on 2BD.

Dumb question. I didn't have the information needed to make that choice BEFORE Stroud got there. Houston is a young team and some of their offensive talent is on the rise. Get back to me after next year. I suspect there will be a couple of Texan play makers & linemen I would love to have on the Bills.

There is some excellent young talent on the Texans. Tank Dell is a very good WR.

You forgot to mention Kelsey or doesn't he count as a "receiver"? I suspect that I speak for a lot of Bills fans when I defend Allen from the petty and inaccurate attacks that you and certain other posters on 2BD engage in. What I find odd is that you guys take it so personally when someone defends an elite Bills QB on a Buffalo Bills message board. Weird is all I can say to describe this rant.

This weekend the Ohio High School football State championships are being played at the Hall of Fame stadium in Canton. There are 7 divisions (sorted by school size) so 7 championship games are played in all. It's televised state wide and I try to watch most of the games. In all the games replay is used. BTW it's only used for these games no others. So far after 4 games replay has successfully overturned multiple big mistake by the on field officials. It's safe to say that in 2 of the 4 games the replay has been the difference. So yea, a move to reduce on field officials and replace them with enhanced sky in the eye reviews would be better.

I agree the O line this season is much improved over last season and that gives me cause for optimism going forward. But this debate is about Allen's TO narrative which has developed over the last few years. For example, last season the Bills had one of the worst O lines in the NFL.

Momentum in the game was flipped when the Eagles marched down the field to score a TD in response to the Bills having gone up 24 - 14 late in the 3rd quarter. That got the Eagles crowd & D fired up. If you look back over this season and last season this has been a common refrain from the McD D - allow a team to score a TD at critical points in a game to either grab momentum, take momentum back or win the game. And for the record Allen left the field TWICE with the lead at the end of the game and BOTH times the D could not hold. The nagging undercurrent you throw out is the FACT that beyond Allen & Diggs the Bills don't have much in the way of clutch play makers on offense.

So which of these Super Bowl contending peers of the Bills has worse offensive weapons then Buffalo? KC: Sure they don't have the dynamic duo of Kelsey/Hill but Mahomes had them for 4 seasons. In 2022 the Chiefs had a much better O line (top 3 versus a bottom 10 Bills line) and much better offensive coaching. This season Mahomes is the closest he's been to Allen in weapons since they entered the league. And notice how similar their numbers are this year. And of course Mahomes has better offensive coaching and a better O line. SF: Can we agree that the 49's Purdy has enjoyed much superior offensive play makers and O line and coaching versus the Bills over the last 2 seasons. Eagles: Hurts clearly has superior play makers, O line and offensive coaching. Dallas: Dak clearly has superior play makers and O line. Miami: Tua has superior play makers and offensive coaching. Cincinnati: Burrow enjoys superior play makers, a better O line (today) and better offensive coaching. The Bengals let 2 starting safeties go to further upgrade their O line. Baltimore: This is the one SB peer that until this year has not had superior play makers though this year they do. This is also a team & QB that have not sniffed the Super Bowl with the team being 1 - 4 and the QB 1 - 3 in the playoffs since 2018. So I would love to hear which of the Bills SB contending peers has worse offensive talent/coaching surrounding their QB then Allen has surrounding him?

Except that over the last few years our stable of RB's haven't been very good at scoring TD's on the ground. How many times has 1st & goal from the 5 turned into 2nd a goal from the 7 after handing the ball off? Harris was supposed to be the RB that took over scoring TD's from inside the 10 but he got hurt. And the last I looked it's not like Allen is doing the Tush Push or diving over the pile from the half yard line to score his TD's In fact here are Allen's 9 TD runs: 1 yard, 2 yards, 3 yards, 6 yards, 9 yards, 10 yards, 11 yards, 13 yards & 16 yards. I wish we had a RB that could score TD's from those distances in 12 games. But alas we haven't had one that could do it over the last 6 seasons.

No most of us don't dispute the bolded: "It just points out that, as we all know, Josh could get better at not turning the ball over. If he did, he would then be fully on par with Mahomes...but as it is, he's a step down right now because of the turnovers" What we dispute are the causes and solutions to the problem: * The cause of Allen's excess TO's IMO is primarily because he has the weakest supporting cast of offensive players compared to the other QB's on the list. * The solution IMO is twofold: 1) shift FA money & draft picks to the offense and 2) move away from a defense minded coach to an offense minded coach. Others seem to think that Allen's TO issues are primarily his fault because he can't read the field or that he's careless with the ball. Other causes that are thrown out are that he doesn't work out in the off season and he makes to many commercials. These same folks claim that if Allen would just work harder in the off season and stop being careless the TO's would go away. Sorry I happen to think I'm right here and they're wrong. Hopefully well never have to test either hypothesis as a result of Allen leaving the Bills and taking leading another team to a SB win.

Is this how you debate points? Seems like you melt down and start throwing insults at anyone that disagrees with your unhinged and inaccurate attacks on Allen. BTW, what I think is weird is that you haven't been able to get past your hatred of the Allen pick from back in 2018. How long are you going to hold a grudge that Allen has made you and bunch of others look like football illiterates. Oh and I love your passive aggressive shtick where you trash Allen and then add a disclaimer at the end saying something along the lines that "Allen is a top 3 QB". Come on man, anyone reading what you say about Allen's deficiencies can't possibly believe that you believe he's a top 3 QB.

I am convinced that had the Bills focused on offense and not Defense the past 5 years they would have a SB trophy. The failure of the D to rise up and shut teams down in the playoffs went on for 4 straight seasons (2019 - 2022) and now is happening during the regular season. Imagine if instead of Oliver with the #9 pick we went offense in 2019 (maybe moving ahead of Detroit to take Hockinson) or had signed the best available offensive player in FA instead of Von Miller. And this isn't hindsight on my part as Oliver has been very good and Miller was worth the risk. It's me pointing out what could have been if the Bills were focused on the offense and not the defense.

The Bengal's, The Cowboys & Seattle have an embarrassment of riches at WR. Then you go to KC and you have a great O line and the NFL's best offensive mind. The Eagles also have a great O line, RB's & Receivers. Ditto for the Dolphins at play maker and the 49's have the best overall talent on offense in the NFL. It's clear that over the last few years the Bills have fallen further and further behind their peer SB competition with respect to O line and offensive play makers. Not sure how anybody could debate this.

This is flat out wrong. Allen was NOT the major reason the Bills lost that playoff game. The major reasons the Bills lost that game: * The defense, as it has been prone to do in the playoffs, blew a late 3rd quarter 16 - 0 lead. * McD got to conservative in the 2nd half with the offense. Allen actually played well in that game given it was his first playoff game, was on the road, and the Bills had not exactly surrounded him with play makers unless you consider that guy from the CFL a "ply maker". And in the playoffs during the time Allen has been here the defense has played poorly in all but one of the games.

The reasons: * The defense playing bad in almost every one of those games. * A head coach that is overwhelmed by the pressures of OT. * Nobody else makes a play.

I agree. It's one thing if the Bills had a solid, veteran QB like Alex Smith to play the role they apparently wanted McCarron or, gulp, Peterman to fill. But given Allen's play in 2018 surrounded by so little talent on the offensive side of the ball it was clear as day that Allen should have been named the starter at the beginning of training camp. Think about what that fool McD tried to do here. He didn't want to hand Allen the job (we had a process don't you now) so he created a fake competition between Allen & Peterman which he allowed Peterman to win. I guess McD was trying to show that high 1st round pick Allen that you earn the job not have it handed to you. You know in the same way he showed Cook that if you fumble the ball you don't get back on the field for a few series. The problem was that Peterman wasn't some grizzled vet who knew how to play QB he was a SECOND YEAR player whose previous start had resulted in his throwing a record FIVE INT's in the first half. Yea this is the guy McD decided to start over his lottery #1 pick. Please.

As I see it McD/Bean: * Botched Allen's rookie season. Allen succeeded in spite of them. * In Allen's 2nd season McD/Bean tried to cut corners in rebuilding their offense while continuing to throw resources at the D. Signing Morse was the best thing they did but the rest of the signings and draft capitol used were hardly big time. And no, Brown/Beasley were not splash signings they were smart pick ups that elevated what had been the worst WR group in the NFL but they were hardly big time moves giving Allen top of the line WR's. * In Allen's 3rd season McD/Bean finally made a splash signing on offense to help their young franchise QB by signing Diggs. This not only helped Allen to burst into the elite ranks of QBs but the Bills made it all the way to the AFC championship game. And they did this on the strength of their offense NOT their D. * In Allen's 4th & 5th seasons the Bills reverted to the bargain basement approach in constructing an offense as they continued to lavish FA money & draft picks on their D. After coaching malpractice wasted the otherworldly elite play of Allen in 2021 and their cheap ass efforts to build an O line resulted in the Bills having one of the worst lines in the NFL by the end of the 2022 season we had two more years of elite QB play wasted by Bean/McD. * In Allen's 6th year they finally threw some draft capitol at the offense and I suspect we'll be happy with Kincaid & Torrens for years to come. But for the Bills SB window it was to little to late.

Let's give it a couple of years okay? Like Allen, Stroud may be so good he can hide some of the issues with having a defensive minded coach. Or maybe the former D coordinator for SF spent enough time with Shannahan to have some of that magic rub off. But I stand by my opinion here: * McD is not right for the job because defensive minded coaches will waste the talents of elite QB's * The Bills organization, led by McD/Bean has not properly invested in the offense while over investing in the defense.