CincyBillsFan

It's a lot less puzzling when you realize that they're not Bills fans but trolls looking for any angle, no matter how weird, to take a shot at Allen.

No this thread exposes the desperate lengths some posters on 2BD will go to throw shade at Allen. Of course when critiquing Allen over his "flops" is the best you guys can do then we know that Allen is playing great as are the Bills. BTW, I'm all for the flopping. How is Allen flopping any different then a defensive lineman who when being held throws his arms up in frustration begging the ref to throw the flag? This is the sentiment of a true Bills fan. Not sure where the complainers are coming from.

I disagree. Leading the AFC in total TD's would put him right in the mix of those three for the Pro Bowl. In fact it would be areal hard decision to exclude even one of Tua, Mahomes, Jackson & Allen. You can make a strong case for all of them.

In fact that throw should have been intercepted. It was a nice play but the effusive praise for Jackson there by Collinsworth/Tirico (play of the year!!!!) was way over the top. Allen makes guys miss in the backfield a couple times per game completing passes down field a lot less risky then that throw. Heck yesterday on the great catch by Diggs Allen shrugs off a blitzer and on the run gets the ball to Diggs.

Snapping the ball before they found out it was a fumble may have been the biggest under the radar play of the game.

To be fair he had two drops early and then the Bills just started running the ball down the Cowboy's throats.

And don't forget Davis losing the ball on that bomb. I've seen a lot of WR's this weekend that would have located and caught that ball. That exact throw is caught by an awful lot of NFL WR's.

What will it take for someone like Lawrence to take over the title of "turnover machine" that they hang on Allen? THREE INT's last week and what ever the hell that was. That was the worst lost fumble I've ever seen.

On several occasions I saw Cowboy defenders continue to focus on Allen even AFTER he handed the ball off. Quinn couldn't believe that Brady and the Bills would run the ball 5 times straight. Of course D coordinators are not going to let Cook and the Bills run the ball down their throats with 8 minute TD drives. But when they try to take away the run moving their safety to the line, watch out because Allen is going to cook. The Bills are rapidly approaching a pick your poison offense.

Yep, in today's games I've seen more great catches then I have from Bills receivers for the entire season. It really is noticeable.

Yea you're right here - my bad. I was going off my eye test and failing memory and the fact that Davis has had some games where he was targeted a lot and failed to catch many passes (3 games where he was targeted a total of 15 times with only 4 receptions). But as you correctly note there were also games where Davis was targeted a lot, caught a lot of those passes and was highly productive.

I seriously doubt it's this one. All season Allen has been force feeding Davis to little effect in game after game.

Even the best QB's miss wide open receivers all the time in the NFL. Was Allen under pressure that play? Where was Allen's first look supposed to be?

Especially since I don't remember Allen's mom posting about how unfair that a pass thrown by her son went right through the hands of Davis for an INT instead of a first and goal.

You are not stirring the pot you are reminding us of what is wrong with the Bills focus on defense at the expense of offense. And tonight we're seeing an example of this at opposite ends of the spectrum. First letting Hodgins go was a big mistake for a WR starved team. Second I'm watching D Hop make one great catch after another. Sure he wouldn't have come cheap but from what I'm seeing tonight he would have been worth it.

Twenty yards down field to boot!

I agree. And though I believe moving on from McD would be in the best interests of the Bills going forward I did feel for the guy at the end when after the Bills stopped the Chiefs they showed McD on the sideline almost keeling over with relief. And it was clear that the Bills played for McD yesterday. Say what you will but he hasn't lost this locker room. With that being said though we still saw the issues of a Bill's offense that has been neglected over the last few years, particularly on the O line & at WR. As I look around the league the most successful caches & organizations are those that prioritize the offense. And in the end the D did give up a TD that might have led to another excruciating loss. But this WAS great win there is no denying it. And if McD can get the Bills into the playoffs and then in the off season reset the draft & FA priority towards strengthening the offense I would be very happy to have been wrong about McD.

Was there someone saying we should trade Allen? I avoid the game day threads and focus on the post game stuff so did I miss this insanity?

During last night's game offensive off side was called on the Eagles. Should the refs have warned the Eagles guard when he lined up off side prior to the TUSH push? Tooney was in a bunch formation which means the sideline ref was what, 15 - 20 yards away. Is he supposed to yell at #19 to get on side? So what happens when the ref is screaming at Tooney and Bills players look up at the ref to see what he's yelling about as the ball is snapped? You can't have a ref distracting things at that moment of the game. And for the record offensive off sides is called a lot in high school football and on occasion in college ball. Usually by the time they reach the Pros the players on offense know how to line up.

I don't understand this mindset at all. Of ALL the penalties in the book offside is the most fundamental and least subjective one. If you are offside at the snap you are offside. That penalty was the least "lame" penalty they could have called.

Barely? Without Allen today we lose this game.

Offside will be called every time a WR lines up off side. It's a rare call because WR's lining up off sides usually only happens in HS football. The ref is looking right down the line and they will throw the flag on that play EVERY TIME.

Almost any other QB in the NFL would have been sacked 4 or 5 more times today then Allen was. Allen made a couple of throws that were otherworldly. What we saw is that our O line, while better then last years O line is at best average . They were like a turnstile today and had what 3 holding penalties?

I agree. He's not getting separation and he had a couple of drops today. Is it that bigger and more physical DB's can knock him off his game? With Diggs playing average the Bills WR group is almost as bad as the Chiefs. As an aside this is the 3rd straight season where Diggs has faded at the end.

Did you watch the Ravens game?