CincyBillsFan

So in spite of your "great love for Josh as our QB" it's his fault that we didn't beat the Chiefs in the divisional playoff game? Judas Priest it's this type of thinking that drives me nuts. By any objective observation the least of the Bills problems versus the Chiefs is Allen. Yet the same folks continue to call out Allen as the issue over and over and over again. You people expect Allen to be perfect and when he's not you cry about his "losing the game". And as Greg Cossel repeatedly notes about the Bills requiring Allen to be perfect every game is crazy and WILL NEVER WORK. BTW, Mahomes was far from perfect: he threw a bad INT in the 3rd quarter but his D rose up and snuffed out the 49's threat. And then at the end of regulation Mahomes zeroed in on Kelsey failing to see a wide open receiver that would have easily caught a TD pass and won the game. This is called the eb & flow of a game. And it's here that with far superior coaching and better clutch players surrounding him Mahomes can shine. If the Bills want to challenge the Chiefs they have to surround Allen with the same.

And notice how after Mahomes threw a terrible INT early in the 2nd half the Chiefs three and outed the 49's. That also sealed their fate. As an aside, it's interesting how some Bills fans view every Allen INT as the reason for a Bills loss. Yet Mahomes threw a pick yesterday as bad as any Allen threw over the whole season and what happened? The Chiefs D rose up and didn't allow the 49's to get even one 1st down. Now that's true complementary football not the fake version that McD practices. Coaching is the crucial and apparently insurmountable difference between the two teams.

From 30,000 feet the "chasm" between the regular season Bills and the playoff Bills comes down to two general factors: 1) Inferior coaching 2) The wrong roster structure with the defense being prioritized over the offense.

And even in the Bronco's game Allen walked off the field with the lead with less then two minutes to play. Folks can point to injuries as the reason that McD's defense lost the Bills multiple games (including the divisional playoff game) this season but except for the Jets opening game Allen's TO's were not a significant factor in the rest of our losses.

The operative word here is FINALLY. That it took them 5 years to get the O line right is on Bean. The fact remains that the Bills brain trust made a conscious decision to NOT surround Allen with the best O line and offensive skill players and that has cost us dearly in the playoffs.

What are you talking about? Allen had ONE turnover against Cincinnati while scoring 2 TD's. He also had over 300 total yards of offense. Allen was not the reason the Bills lost to the Bengal's, the Defense was. BTW he other TO was the Kincaid fumble at the Bengal's 10 yard line which deprived the Bills of a 1st & goal.

Mayfield's rookie season was on par with what we saw from Stroud this season but with inferior coaching and talent around him: Baker: 14 games had 3725 yards; 27 TD's & 14 INT's; rating = 94 Stroud: 15 games had 4108 yards; 23 TD's & 5 INT's; rating = 101

I agree. As an aside, I see no relevance to what his DAD did and Patrick Mahomes role as the Chiefs QB in the Super Bowl. If reporters want to talk about that story they should go talk to the Sr Mahomes, his lawyers, or the local police and prosecutors office. It has nothing to do with the QB of the KC Chiefs and quizzing him about it isn't journalism it's harassment. IMO of course.

Correct. The only player on the Bills offense that terrifies defensive coordinators is Allen.

Thanks in large part to Allen.

You can make an argument that the drops directly cost the Bills games: * Against the Jags the Diggs drop at the 5 yard line that resulted in a Jag INT was huge. * Against NE the 4th down drop by Knox was huge. * Against the Eagles the TD drop by Cook was huge. * Against Denver the drop by Davis that ended up as a Broncos INT was huge. * Against the Chiefs the 3 drops by Sherfield & Diggs combined were huge.

Who cares. Dak is an inferior QB to Allen and it's not close. To put this data into perspective the Bills ran more then 1000 plays this season on offense. They were 0 - 15 on this particular play. That represents 1.5% pf all the offensive plays they ran. That is a pea on an elephants back.

Again I have no idea what you're talking about here. My reaction to Dunn's article was that some of his observations line up with my own and provide additional perspective on issues facing he Bills. Nothing more and nothing less. It seems you have a problem with Dunn, fine. But it's beyond presumptuous to lecture those of us who agree with some of what Dunn says that our agreement is indicative of some greater political failings. Can you be more specific? Because feeble minded or not Dunn has identified and called out some problems with the Bills that line up with what a lot of discerning Bills fans had already noticed. For example Dunn makes a case that McD doesn't understand Allen or what makes an elite QB tick. And after McD's public comments and what we saw from Allen over the first half of the season this observation seems spot on to me. Dunn offers a plausible explanation for why McD/Bean have not surrounded Allen with the best possible offensive talent.

But even in the Jet's game Allen drove us to a tie with a last second FG in regulation. Then our special teams happened.

Seriously, because some of us think that Dunn lays out some of the issues with McD that will keep the Bills from getting over the hump you can predict our politics? And where in providing Dunns perceptive on things are people showing that "facts don't matter"? Like I've said before I didn't even know who Dunn was before I read these two articles. And yes I can clearly see that he has an issue with McD. But I also can see that some of what he's putting out there rings true to me based on my observations of the Bills over the last 5 seasons.

It's a Bills message board so I don't feel there is a requirement to praise Mahomes every time I discuss him. The bigger question to me is why do so many Bills fans on 2BD nitpick Allen finding fault with so much that he does. But for the record I have repeatedly stated that I believe Mahomes is one of the two best QB's in the NFL with the other being Allen. BTW, I consider Brady to be the GOAT. And I disagree with you. There is nothing I've seen in Allen's & Mahomes performances to make me think that if they switched teams Mahomes would do better then Allen in Buffalo or that Allen would do worse then Mahomes in KC.

In 2019, 2020 & 2021 Mahomes had access to much better skill players then Allen did. Big Advantage Mahomes. In 2022 the KC offensive line was one of the top lines in the NFL and the Bills had one of the worst. So in the year that the difference between Allen & Mahomes skill player arsenal was fading the Chiefs provided Mahomes with a much better O line then Allen had. Big advantage Mahomes. In 2023 as the KC O line struggled and their WR's were not very good Mahomes enjoyed the benefits of an elite, shut down defense that unlike previous great regular season Bills defenses continued its high level of play throughout their three playoff games. Big advantage Mahomes. And of course over the entire time in which Allen and Mahomes have been competing Mahomes has enjoyed the benefits of having Andy Reid as his coach. Big advantage Mahomes. From 2018 through the 2023 season Allen has never enjoyed a better situation then Mahomes. Not once.

Again though Mahomes benefited from a shut down defense in the Ravens game. After going up 17 - 7 how many times did the Chiefs drive the ball? Mahomes enjoyed a luxury that Allen has rarely enjoyed in the playoffs: the ability to repeatedly not score points on offense with the expectation that the opponent wouldn't be able to score either.

Yea my opinion of Wilson went way up after reading this: Saleh told the quarterback he would be inactive for the rest of the season and that the team would try to trade him in the offseason. But in the days before the Falcons game, Saleh reversed course and told Wilson to start practicing as if he might play again. He did not play against Atlanta, but after the Jets lost, Wilson knew they were considering starting him again. He expressed reluctance about returning to play and said he would politely decline if asked, based on his previous conversation with Saleh and fears of getting injured behind the Jets’ makeshift offensive line. Like a lot of other folks I thought Wilson was a baby for saying he didn't want to go back in. But if Salah told him that he would be inactive the rest of the season and then changed his mind that is non Salah not Wilson.

And Cook needs to work on catching the ball. By my count he dropped FOUR easy TD passes. If he can fix this problem he will be a force in the passing game to.

Another high profile potential HC is waiting to see better opportunities next season.

KC had much better skill players in 2019, 2020 & 2021. They had a much better offensive line in 2022. As for Mahomes being ahead of Allen in the "mental" aspects of football I agree and would point a finger at Reid as the reason. On his best day DaBoll was only a fraction as smart an offensive guy as Reid.

I would prefer that McD leads us to a Super Bowl and Johnson goes somewhere else. But I just don't see McD getting over the hump and to waste Allen's best years with a defensive minded coach would be so sad.

You misrepresent what is being said. First off this is the first season in which it could be said that Allen's package of skill players was on par with the Chiefs. Over the previous 5 seasons there was no comparison as Mahomes enjoyed a huge advantage in the complimentary talent surrounding him. But even this year Mahomes had a great defense that has actually played better in the playoffs then the regular season. Allen has never enjoyed the luxury of having a defense that wasn't anything but terrible in the playoffs. Mahomes has Reid. And the difference between the Chiefs and Bills this season was a FG. They finished with the same record and Buffalo gave KC it's toughest game in the AFC playoffs. I think that Mahomes is the number one QB in the NFL because he is the most accomplished QB playing today. I think it's fair to say that Allen, because of his unique physical gifts, may be as good or better then Mahomes but until he can win a couple of Super Bowl titles Mahomes will always be considered the "better" QB.

Cowherd said something similar today on the news that Johnson was staying put. Basically he identified a number of potential jobs next season where he could land with a great QB including Buffalo. Sounds like this makes you nervous. Allen plus Johnson could be DYNO-MITE! Switching to an OC with a proven track record could unleash Allen who is at the top of his physical gifts while nearing his summit mentally.