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Picks lose value as soon as you take someone until such time that the player proves they can play at a level commensurate with where they were selected. It's the same in all pro sports leagues. The main thing Tua has going for him is no one has seen him fail in the NFL yet whereas everyone has seen Josh go through the typical growing pains you often see from a young QB. Tua also has two more years than Josh on his rookie contract which is super valuable if you think he can perform right away.

Our defense is so good that even if Cam works he'll have issues vs. us. I didn't think this would happen due to fit with Pats/McDaniels. Presumably they'll change their offense and try to use more PA?? Or maybe they don't and secretly hope Stidham wins the job. It would be the most NFL thing ever to have Josh and Cam playing each other in spread the whole time trying to play read the defense.

He never should have gone seventh overall so it's tough to judge him against that. IMO all the first round guys except for Lamar have lost value around the league. Baker, Sam, and Josh all have a lot to prove. Also, it took a proven guy like Cam months to find a home. Teams aren't trading high draft picks for unproven guys.

Bills probably need to cut him. They're clearly buying time to see if it blows over and they can salvage their investment. It's like trying to put lipstick on a pig during the height of #metoo. Good luck.

Nice try. Dak isn’t worth 135M+ even if there are no draft picks involved. I would be interested in trading for a competent back up however. Fromm might be good or he might be the second half of his last year at Georgia. Having someone experienced like Fitz or Tannehill (as examples, not necessarily saying them in particular) on the roster would give us needed insurance in the event that Josh doesn’t get better. This is a playoff roster and QB is by far our biggest question mark. It makes sense to look at alternatives.

I dunno, NFL moves pretty fast these days. You don’t get 5-10 years to develop guys anymore. McBeane might find their job security doesn’t last that long. It’s smart from their POV to try and groom a second guy.

Maybe Fromm could be Chad Pennington

I like it. Seemingly good value in the 5th and gives McBeane a plan b if Josh doesn’t pan out.

I suspect his ability to play ST will go a long ways to justifying this pick. I'm not usually a fan of one dimensional receivers. Hopefully he can block.

I agree it will likely be much tougher sledding next year due to schedule, even considering Pats. I disagree re McBeane. They've done a good job addressing needs the last two off seasons. Let's not forget where we were in Jan 2019. Now we have a championship caliber defense, and have added a number of smart signings and trades on offense. If we're not a playoff team it'll be because we messed up at QB, not RT. No team is perfect on both sides of the ball. Was Cody Ford the right pick last year? I would tend to agree he was not, but I think he deserves the opportunity to come into camp and fight for his spot and show improvement in year two. Nsekhe is a very capable plan b. I've said this in other places including this thread, but I'd much rather we draft to our areas of expertise (defense) and add known commodities in the areas we're not as capable (offense). Asking McBeane to draft another OT after kinda, sorta messing up the last one is just asking for trouble.

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I get the people trying to label AJ as a LDE given his height and lack of umm...burst, but he definitely looks capable and if not him @ RDE then whom? Edit: I suppose it's likely that Hughes will be around next year. Even still, I like Epenesa on the right side.

Is that what he said, or did he say they need to be able to establish the run? I bet it's the latter. Clearly they're team building with the idea that their offensive identity will be through their passing game.

I would argue it's unclear, but I do think Allen and Daboll are a terrible fit. That said, we backed up the brinks truck for Morse and signed / traded for high IQ receivers to run a read and react system. Moving to a run / play action system better suited to Allen would require a lot of change beyond just finding a new OC.

I agree we need another RB but you have to look at who our OC is and what we have in place. Our offense is clearly designed around the pass. Our Oline is a passing line. Daboll runs a read and react system between Josh and the receivers. If you want to blame someone for the lack of scoring look to our QB. He's the squeaky wheel in this offense, not the RB situation (though I don't think it's quite that simple).

Yes but our expertise isn't exactly on the same level when it comes to drafting and developing offensive players. That's why we've tried to sign or trade for known commodities. We used our first on Diggs. That's a pretty big investment.

D that just lost two of its best pass rushers. Our current team building philosophy of drafting defenders and signing/trading for offensive players is a good one IMO. McD's specialty is defense, and it makes sense that he'll have a much better hit rate on developing defensive prospects.

I'm a big fan of guys who dominate in multiple sports. The fact he was all state in football, basketball, discus, etc. bodes well. Shades of Big Kyle?

Hard to see a scenario where this guy doesn't make it. Strong bull rusher with a mean streak. This looks like a McD pick all the way.

If I'm Terry I let them sign a free agent QB to a front loaded, short-term deal and give them one more shot at it. I wouldn't let them draft another QB first round. McBeane clearly know how to build a culture and a winning organization but if you can't identify a QB it's all for naught. So far it's been their achilles heel in an otherwise great program.

I loved what we did last year with our WR group (fast, shifty guys who can get open taking the onus off Josh to always be precise) and Diggs fits in great with that. I also like his ability to line up outside or in the slot. The price was steep but we need vets around our young QB to make his job easier. I'm still bearish that there will even be a season this year, but if there is look out!

Given the type of offense we run and the fact we have a QB whose best asset is rushing TDs in the red zone I’d say no. We could really use a second RB who can pass block and catch though. Singletary improved throughout the season but given his stature he might never be a plus blocker. in any event, unless/until we change our offense finding a Derek Henry type doesn’t make a lot of sense. Daboll is too obsessed with making Josh and the receivers play read the defense to bother with a power running game. Also, our line isn’t really built for that. You have to be able to move and push people.

My bad. He won the SB in his second season and missed the playoffs once despite having a winning record that year. He's also made it to the second round of the playoffs or further in six of his eight seasons. Either way, I don't like the comparison.

This is the type of thread that divides the fan base when it comes to Allen. There was enough to like about the way Josh finished year 2. Why do we need to compare him to a future HOFer? Russ's development into an MVP caliber player has been unconventional. He was a 3rd round pick. He played in a run oriented system, and then switched to a passing system. He won the SB in his rookie year and has been in the playoffs every year of his career. This is like when NBA fans compare their team's promising sophomore to Kawhi Leonard's second season. Like no, that guy is an outlier. The comp is disingenuous. Unlike Russ, Josh has spent his first two years in a passing offense. Our base is three wide -- it's designed to promote passing production. Unfortunately we go through bouts where our OC loses confidence in our QB (justifiably) and so we get conservative and run with an oline that was designed to be a pass blocking unit (don't laugh). Comparing their year two stats makes about as much sense as comparing comparing year 2 Darnold with year 2 Steve Young. The one thing I like about Josh is two years in and I don't totally know what he is yet. That's unusual for current day QBs. Let's let him figure that out on his own without saddling him with unrealistic comparisons which he's destined to lose.

A big stud WR that is not only huge but outrunning NFL CBs for deep balls. Are we talking about Randy Moss?? If we had Tyreke Hill would he be too small for Josh too? His problem with deep balls is that he isn't accurate on throws that require touch, especially long ones. He's missing Brown, Knox, Foser, etc. by 5-10 yards sometimes on deep passes. No one is making those catches. I suspect it'll be a big point of emphasis this off season and he'll get it cleaned up just like he did with the intermediate throws.