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The fumble is something you can live with. He's either a running QB or he isn't. If anything I question the play call. But that INT suggests Josh isn't getting it. We've seen him make that throw multiple times this year, and it's led to a few INTs. How is he still making that throw?? WTF.

Good article. Interesting thought re the AJ Green trade, but with only 46 receptions on 77 targets this year, are we sure AJ can still get open? Have to wonder if McBeane might be gun shy after the KB trade. I could see them targeting someone like Moncrief in FA. DT seems like a good bet in round one if only because there appear to be so many good ones. I kinda hope we don't go crazy with the o-line. We don't 100% know Josh is going to make it, and right now he looks best making plays outside the pocket. Finding a center should be a priority though. Paradis would be an excellent get.

I don’t think there’s any question those other guys are ahead right now, but it’s really early for all three. Baker looks like the surest thing to me. Allen still has the biggest risk (accuracy and football IQ) but if he ever gets those parts figured out he maybe has the highest upside too. We’re getting way ahead of ourselves though. Step one is to make sure they’re long-term NFL QBs. No one knows that for sure about any of them right now, including the teams they play for, and even themselves (but least of all us).

I think we need more speed to stretch the field and gain separation on intermediate routes. There's a reason Foster and Mckenzie play so much, and Zay isn't exactly a burner. Is Julio that guy? Also, no sign and trade deals. If we have to give up good picks to acquire someone, and then a bunch of money to re-sign him it's too much. You hopefully never make those kind of deals, but if you do it's because you're contending and you're trading for the last piece you need. This is not an indictment of the Shady era (he's a great Bill).

Love the quote about trimming the fat off the route. Good riddance.

That wasn't close to being his most inaccurate pass. The INT, the one hopper to KB, and the floater along the sideline that sailed way long (and was called back by penalty) were more of the OMG WTF variety. This one was just a regular bad pass. Lots of QBs miss that one.

He definitely looks improved. I agree with the comment about the game slowing down. He's more focused on the rush pre-snap and less focused on it post snap. His eyes are downfield longer which means he's more of a threat when he does take off and run. Defenders aren't yet sitting on his runs. I still think he has a long ways to go controlling his high rate of bad throws. Everyone here talks about accuracy. He can be accurate at times, but the percentage of total throws that are bad to very bad is still high. He needs to get that under control if he's ever going to be a consistently good QB.

Who was saying our o-line was above average? I wonder if there are diminishing returns with a better line given Allen seems to perform the best after evading the rush and making plays on the move. Keep him in the pocket and his accuracy issues will be even more under the microscope.

My theory is the opposite. I think he’s actually more comfortable scrambling outside the pocket, and that’s where you usually see his best throws. If you’re going back over the last two games, what are the att/comp/yards from the pocket vs. after evading a rush? No rushing yards, just the passing. He’s obviously a fantastic runner but we’re just looking at accuracy here. I deleted both games after watching otherwise I might do it.

I disagree with this though. Consider the play that unfolded before that throw. Allen evades two rushers with a reverse field double move, then while moving diagonally forward and to the left, he throws back across his body going the wrong way toward the back right pylon. He came up a little short. Clay still should have caught that.

It was a big play. So were the countless other ones Josh missed today. Blame the Zay throw on him or don't. My point was it doesn't change my overall perception today of our QB. He made numerous impressive plays today with his legs, and a few with his arm, but he missed a bunch due to inaccuracy, and left a lot of points on the table because of it. It wasn't just about one throw.

It doesn't impact it that much because it was one of about 8-10 missed throws today that were absolute head scratchers.

Everyone is so defensive with Allen. Even the title of this thread is defensive. "Nearly 400 yards" despite the exact number being 352. Decent number for any QB. Why embellish it?

Three bad throws? Your memory is very selective. I'm not going to go back and detail every single throw for you but did you remember to include the dropped pick in the first half? What about the throw when he escaped the pocket and tried to lob it 25 yards down the sideline to a wide open (Foster??) and missed badly (this play was called back on a penalty)? The ugly misses to Benjamin in the first half? The crossing routes where he kept missing Zay? It was more like ten bad throws. Josh makes lots of positive plays and sometimes puts it right in the numbers which is why this is so weird. The accuracy problem is real though.

And he made countless game changing runs throughout the game, and a bunch of big throws on that game winning drive. I credit Josh for even giving Clay the chance to win the game after that crazy Russell Wilson-esk double move to get away from the rush. He made plays. I just wish he could cut down on the percentage of really bad throws. He had 8-10 head scratchers today. Fix that and you have star QB and a chance at playoffs every year. But it needs to get fixed.

This man had a heck of a game. Zay was the real break out player today. If Josh had been accurate on his throws Zay would have had 150+ yards receiving and at least three TDs. Happy for him given the rough start. Edit: is anyone else having issues evaluating receivers on this team? KB is an obvious disappointment. It's a little harder with Foster, Thompson, and Zay given how bad the QB play has been. It's possible Zay is having a great season and most of us don't know because we're not watching all 22. The stats clearly aren't telling the whole story.

And what about missing Zay in the endzone and the ugly INT, and dropped pick in the first half, and all the other missed throws throughout the game? There's blame to go around but Josh had way more bad throws than drops today by the receivers.

Why is that? Allen is above criticism? He made a lot of things happen out there today but ultimately we lost because we were only able to generate 17 points. That's not good enough and a big part of it was because Allen missed so many throws. It's ok to be excited and still see there are significant problems that need to be addressed.

Look he is getting better. He's understanding just how much he can take advantage of teams by getting out of the pocket and running. He also makes some truly special throws. But again, the accuracy is terrible. He made 8-10 bad throws today. It's not just the missed TD or the INTs. I'm fine with that 50 yards bomb we took in the 2nd half that missed. It's missing Zay repeatedly on crossing routes, or KB over the middle, or the poor throws on outs. Some of the misses are by 5-10 yards. It's so weird how he can go from hitting the bulls eye two to three times in a row and then miss by so much you're almost not sure who he was throwing to. Josh killed several drives today with unforced errors because he wasn't accurate. He has to improve on that. New receivers and a new line aren't going to make him accurate on wide open throws.

The announcers made reference to that. Personally I think it's BS. Even if he's stopping you still lead him a little because he needs time to decelerate. Besides, Josh was throwing behind Zay on cross routes all game. But even if we give that one to him, it's about the pattern over the whole year and the fact it isn't getting better. What's getting better is Allen is becoming more consistent making plays with his legs. He's routinely missing guys when he has time and they're open though. I don't care that it's only seven starts. That's enough time to understand what the issues are, and right now his accuracy is by far the biggest issue standing in the way of his development. That's not something QBs usually get dramatically better with. Let's hope Josh can beat the odds.

He left so many yards and plays on the field, not to mention the four points we lost by on that second half miss to Zay running wide open in the end zone. Josh made some incredible plays today, and so I get the excitement, but his accuracy was truly awful. We only scored 17 and lost on a day where we easily could have had 25-30 and won.

I blame Clay for that last one. It was a wounded duck but Allen made an incredible play just to be able to get it there. You have to come back and make that grab.

If some of these throws had been accurate Zay would have three TDs and a couple hundred yards receiving today.

He's exactly who we thought he was at the draft: very raw, makes plays with his legs (even better than advertised), but is maddeningly inaccurate with his throws, even one to the next. Last week he was a little more accurate than usual. Today he's having a bad one even for him. Some of these throws to Zay are unbelievable. They kill drives. They take away TDs. I don't know how you move forward with a QB like that unless there's progress with the accuracy, or at least a decrease in the propensity to make bad throws. He's anywhere from 20-40% bad throws depending on the week. I would love to see a study that shows where he ranks all time.

Think this works as a well timed message to the team too. You can still be replaced. Fight for your snaps.