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Development only happens in games and with targets? Practice doesn’t matter? Off-season work doesn’t matter? The majority of development happens in the off-season... in terms of actually getting better at the position. There’s not enough time to make significant corrections to movement patterns and deficiencies during the season. So the guy gets 1 real NFL off-season (his rookie year nonetheless) to improve as a NFL tight end, after that it’s not worth continuing to work with them. Really glad we decided to go that route with Josh! It’s probably the fact that Thomas has spent almost 4 years practicing at the professional level as a TE, with game experience on top of that and now things are finally falling into place for him this season ? You’re equating development to targets...

I’m not sure how many folks have an Athletic Subscription, but this was a cool article into the Saints process of drafting what many believe is one of the best drafts classes ever in the 2017 Draft. Found it relevant to put here because the author uses PFR approximate value to illustrate the success of the Saints 2017 Draft Class. https://theathletic.com/2263882/2020/12/17/nfl-draft-2017-saints-best-class/?source=user_shared_article

If we win, that gets us to 11 wins. The best Miami can do is 11 wins if they win out. In that scenario we’d win on the “Best Win Percentage in Common Games Tiebreaker.” 1) H2H Record (Dolphins winning out would make us 1-1 on the season. 2) Record in the Division (Dolphins winning out and us winning against DEN makes us both 4-2) We could win on this tiebreaker in the even we lose to DEN and MIA but beat NE. We’d be 5-1 and they’d be 4-2. 3) W% in Common Games Tiebreaker (This is what it would come down to in the event we beat Denver and lose to MIA + NE while MIA wins their last 3)

Bills clinch the AFCE with a win OR Dolphins loss. Either event cinches the division.

This whole exchange has been hysterical, Doc. Keep out smarting our great savants! Sorry folks, but most of you look at player development as binary. They’re either a 1 (immediately successful) or a 0 (cut them immediately and replace them). Unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way. Every player comes from different backgrounds and certain skills/positions take longer to develop. The kid is raw at a position that takes awhile to develop anyway. Does he every figure it out? Idk maybe not, but making a judgement call on any player by looking at their box score is just irresponsible or a handful of plays a game where he makes a mistake. Am I overly thrilled with Knox? No. I don’t think any reasonable person is. Am I calling him a bust? No. Because I recognized when he was drafted that his development path was going to be much more lengthy than your typical college player. I think the first step is having realistic expectations for a player based on their profile... not based on what you think a 3rd round pick should look like and how they should produce and when they should produce. It does not work that way... if these guys were robots or video game characters, sure. They’re not, they’re people. He’s extremely gifted but needs to learn. Deal with the growing pains.

Edmunds is special? This can’t be right. I believe some folks took up a vote on the board to cut him this off-season. Teams don’t cut special players - Tremaine is obviously not special!

Well, I can’t wait for Tre to see this. He’s going to bait Lock into a pick.

Apparently player development doesn’t exist... improvement is a myth. Any improvement that happens only happens during a player’s rookie season and they’re not allowed to improve after that. So when they don’t improve, get rid of them immediately! So glad that we followed those rules with Josh!

Oddly enough a few of the pre-draft comps on Zack Moss were Kareem Hunt.

You’re 100% spot on. This is fairly new, at least in the scale it’s being used. The Los Angeles Dodgers were one of the earliest movers in this field. A quick funny story, we acquired a few former Dodgers players and when they first came over in the trade, they asked staff “hey, where is your guys nap room?” That type of thing did not exist outside of LA haha. Some organizations take it to certain extremes and some do not.

He’s super raw. Think a poor man’s version of rookie year Josh. He’s arguably the worst QB we’ve played all year, but he’s gone 3-0 against the AFCE this year... it’s no gimme.

I can confirm we did try to sign Hunt last year.

It’s primarily based on our early season issues stopping the run, paired with Tennessee being pretty effective with play action against us when we lost. That’s what Cleveland does well... so automatically it’s a bad matchup. The team has evolved since then. I think they’re a fine matchup for us.

Precisely. He has issues from the pocket. He’s most effective on the move.

Yes, that is what I saw. He tweeted that he expects to play Saturday. My bet would be he’ll test negative up until Thursday/Friday... depending on how close a contact he was. If not, we will see him Saturday!

I voted Tennessee. Nothing scientific, purely emotional fan stuff from me on this... it’s who I want to play. They started the drought, the screwed with us this year, they made a run to the AFC Championship last year. I want them. This team has been beating all of the media narratives. 1) Josh sucks 2) Can’t win against good teams 3) Can’t win in Prime Time 4) Can’t beat the Patriots Give me revenge.

Brandon McManus was put on the COVID list today... needs 5 straight days of negative tests to be eligible for Saturday. They have Taylor Russolino as their PS kicker that they would elevate in the event he can’t play.

Actually we would have to drop 2 games in order for Cleveland to pass us in the event they win the AFC North, I misspoke. 1) Is H2H, which we don’t have 2) This is conference record... We’re currently 7-2 here and Cleveland is 6-3. They would actually need us to lose twice down the stretch to get that tiebreaker because if we tied here at both teams with 9-3 conference records... 3) Common opponents (min. 4) this tiebreaker actually wouldn’t qualify because we only have 3 common opponents. 4) It would move to this tiebreaker which is SOV and I actually don’t think Cleveland can pass us with this at all.

No, that doesn’t matter. I’m pretty sure all the savants here say that the most important thing is PD? Or is it signature wins? Wait it’s blow out wins? Someone can confirm? Right @High Football IQ? It doesn’t matter that Miami’s SOV is less than half of our SOV. It just matters that their PD is 85... that’s why they’re going to win out and win the division!

The Browns would have to win out with Pittsburgh dropping a game to Indy or Cincy. We would also have to drop a game in order for Cleveland to become the #2 seed. We currently would have the tie breaker over them even if they won tonight.

Are you telling me this game may come down to... Avery Williamson vs Tyler Matakevich? Marquee matchup! 😉

Haha my bad... I must have missed the back and forth on the origins story! If I saw I would’ve chimed in.

No, not scouting. You’re the total package. You do it all... cap management, player valuation, pro scouting, college scouting and more. You wouldn’t be a scout, you’d be a front office executive with the near perfect track record you claim to have. You even said it here when asked about if you’re ever wrong: “Sure but very rarely on TSW. The amount of hotly contested takes of import that I've been spot on about on this site over the past 22 years even surprises me. I'm the GOAT in that regard here and it's not even close.” If you’re as good as you say you are, you wouldn’t have to worry about low pay. Teams would hand you a blank check.

Saint BADOLBILZ! I really want to know if you have such a stellar record on team building, talent evaluation, player valuation and trade value why haven’t you applied to work in a front office? I’m being serious, if you’re as good as you tell everyone you are @BADOLBILZ why are you wasting your talents on TBD?