The Red King

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Also a great deal more completions in key situations and other clutch plays. Taylor was good at not doing that. There is such a thing as being too safe, and situations where you have to take risks...TT just wouldn't, or couldn't do so. As I've said before he won't lose you many games, but he won't win you many either. The ultimate baseline.

Bad receivers mean receivers that cannot get open as often. If Tyrod was regularly throwing accurate passes to our reeievers...hell, if he even threw to them when they were open...but they were not open much, then that's on the receivers. If passes were dropped or picked off because the receivers didn't get separation, then that would be the recievers' fault. Not even throwing to receivers that were indeed open is on TT. Underthrowing open receivers is on TT. Throwing erratically at anything beyond check-down range is on TT. Worse, his unwillingness and inability to even attempt throwing mid to deep range passes allowed opposing teams to put eleven players, a couple cheerleaders and an assistant coach in the box, creating a brick wall for Shady to run into. So yes, he brought the offensive unit down in 2017.

Last season. Last season was the turning point where he stopped elevating the Bills, and started dragging them down. The JAX game was a wonderful microcosm of TT. The D holds JAX to 10 points, a Jags team that goes on to score 45 on the road at Pitt and 20 at NE...and we lose, scoring just 3. That is a good team dragged down by medicore QB play that was quite simply not good enough.

Wait, us having an inexperienced QB is a negative, but the Jets having one makes them stronger?

Come on now, I remember that Jets' game and it was a slaughter until the Jets almost choked yet another game away giving us a good number of garbage points (and yards) well after the game was out of hand. That's far from "really good". Anyone can put up good stats on a Prevent defense if they try.

Actually, looking closer, this is obviously meant as a NE highlight reel. Look at their late games...Lions, Colts, Chiefs, Bills and Packers. Teams that were mid-pack or worse last year. Now, lets look at some teams the NFL didn't put them up against on prime time...Jags, Vikings, Steelers...you know, the heavy hitters? I mean hell, the storylines for NE vs. Jax and Pitt write themselves and yet...4:25 starts.

Look at Bills vs. Pats. The NFL will get one of three outcomes. The Pats will crush the Bills like they normally do, which allows the announcers to gush about Brady and showcase NE. Win for the NFL. It will be a close-fought game that people will stay glued to, to see if Brady can pull out another clutch win...or if the upstart Bills can finally dethrone the Pats. Also a win for the NFL. Or, the Bills crush the Pats, and everyone that hates the Pats will get the see the skinny kid that got beat up for lunch money every day finally beat the crap out of the bully. Again, a win. That game, regardless of outcome, is ratings gold for the league. Honestly, I think the NFL wants Buffalo to win that one. It's a feelgood story, and they can work hard on the "end of a dynasty" storyline in the media.

The problem is, we're arguing apples and oranges. You are arguing whether or not it was a good decision to make. My last several replies have not argued that point at all. I have simply said that regardless of whether or not it was a good decision, it ended up working out in the Bills' favor. That doesn't reflect on whether or not it was a good decision. It is possible to have good things come from bad decisions. If I'm up to my eyeballs in debt, spending what little money I have left in the casino is a terrible idea, but if I hit the jackpot and win a million, that bad decision still worked out for the best. You are discussing the decision. At this point, all I've been discussing is the outcome, and I've not been using it to justify anything.

TT's supporters will say that he does not lose games for you. His detracters will say he does not win games for you. Both are absolutely correct. He elevates bad teams and drags good teams down. He is the baseline, absolute zero, a black hole sitting at 8-8 exerting gravity on all teams above and below, and so was a perfect fit for Buffalo until last season and a perfect fit for Cleveland this one.

We play the 'phins and Jets twice each and he has Buf at 2-14? Bold indeed. I could get a more credible prediction for the season from a magic 8-ball. XD ...wait, he has the Bills, Jets and 'phins with a combined eight wins. Those three play each other a combined six times...so his "bold" prediction is that those three will only produce two wins total outside of playing each other? O.o

Honestly? Yes, on both counts. I wasn't sold on Atlanta and KC was in a tailspin as bad as we were at the time. The Bolts shredded our D, same as the two weeks prior. Nothing on the other side of the ball was going to overcome that. It was winnable, but only if the D showed up, which they didn't. Starting QB had no bearing on that.

I dunno, the Titans went to black helmets, I think instead of doing the same, the Jags should have gone full gold. Still, credit for killing the half-and-half helmets. I think gold helmets would be more unique then black, and help establish a franchise identity. As for the 'phins, if you're going to change a uniform, make a significant change, colors, helmet logos or such, rather then just a couple subtle little tweaks. Ah well.

Buffalo wasn't winning that game with TT under center. Hell, given how badly the D got carved up I don't think Buffalo wins that game with Brady under center.

I have no desire to go into whether or not it was a good decision. People have their opinions and are pretty much locked into them at this point. Point remains that for good or for ill, starting Peterman that game worked out better (in the long run) for the Bills then starting Tyrod would have, unless you think the Bills would have actually outright won that game with TT under center, and precious few people here think that. Edit: Since the above post was edited after I posted... My opinion is just that. My opinion. I am as entitled to mine, and as entitled to post it as you are yours. I believe the staff made the right move, but I respect those fans who believe they got it wrong. I can see their (your) points and can see merit in them. I just happen to disagree with them. No need to go overdramatic.

If the Pats keep playing well, the NFL gets their powerhouse on prime time week after week. If the Pats crash and burn, we get to see the gory drama play out week after week in prime time. Either way, it's win-win for the league.

If Peterman hadn't started that game (or any others), the calls for him to start would have escalated as TT's performance continued on par and this board would currently have a good number of "We should be giving Peterman a chance! Don't draft a QB, draft a team around him!" threads. Whether or not it was ill-advised at the time (we share differing opinions on that), you cannot say the Bills would have and would be better off had they not started Peterman when they did.

They knew TT wasn't going to win a playoff game. They knew what they had in TT, they didn't in Peterman and so gave him a start. Thanks to that decision we have absolutely zero "Give Peterman the start and don't draft a QB" threads on the board right now. Let's say for arguement's sake TT started that game, and the rest. We'd still have gone 9-7, still lost to JAX, and Peterman would have been an unknown quality going into this draft. Hell, if TT didn't play well, there may have been more calls for Peterman to start against KC, a move that could have cost us that game and our playoff birth. How anyone could say starting TT that game would have made things better for the Bills with the advantage of hindsight is beyond me.

Given how Tyrod played vs. NO and the NYJs the weeks prior, do you honestly think he would have played any better vs. the Chargers? As for the INTs, the first actually bounced off the receiver, the second he was falling backwards. Following three were on Peterman, but let's not make it sound like he just threw five picks in a vacuum.

9-7, Bills snag a Wild Card slot with another Week 17 win against Miami, though this time they won't need help to get in.

Faster ball means less time for defenders to close on it. If he can keep his accuracy a faster ball might cut down on his INTs. Just look at that pick in the JAX game that had to go to video review. Had that ball been any faster, it wouldn't have been picked. Not saying this will automatically transform Peterman into our next starter or such, just pointing out that if he can indeed speed up delivery without sacrificing accuracy he will be a better QB then last year, with a chance to cut down on the INTs.

It's Rodak, that's about what I expected. Remember, this is the same guy that a year ago said Buffalo's season was over before it started. XD

The Bills knew TT was not going to win them a playoff game. They had no idea if Peterman could, and after TT absolutely stank up the field on my daughter's first live NFL game (birthday present on her birthday), they decided to see if Peterman was any better. He obviously wasn't, so they went back to TT and prayed that if they made the playoffs TT would play better then expected. He didn't. So, basically, what the coaching staff feared with TT came to pass...they were right about him, and thanks to them starting Peterman we sit here just before the draft with absolutely zero "Peterman should be our starter, don't draft a QB" posts on this board. There was no sabotage, just a staff that knew what they already had in TT, knew it wasn't good enough, and wanted to see what they had in Peterman. We are in a far better position now thanks to that decision.

...and their argument is immediately invalid. Also, the Bills did not make the playoffs because of the football gods, they made it thanks to coaching and a team that played with more guts, heart and pride then they had any right to. That culture will make them a little tougher then people think.

I hold by my prior prediction, 9-7 with (and this sounds familiar >.>) a Week 17 win against the Dolphins to sneak into a Wild Card (this time without help).