The Red King

Not at all. Just a little tired of posts from fans angry we traded TT to the Browns and/or unhappy with our off-season moves that state the Bills are going to be one of the worst teams in the league, and Cleveland will somehow be elevated by TT from 0-16 to a playoff caliber team in a single season. Had the OP said something like..."Buffalo will regress, and the changes Cleveland made will elevate them. I see them both having similar records, with Cleveland winning one or two more then Buffalo." I could respect it. Wouldn't agree with it, but would at least respect it. Instead, we get..."I don't think it will be close. Bills 3-4 wins and the Browns 8-9.", which makes it clear this is based on nothing more then personal bias/venom rather then actual football analysis. These types of threads, which are nothing more then thinly veiled "Buffalo will suck because the front office didn't do what I wanted them to do!" are beginning to wear me down.

Agreed. Don't misread my posts. I think/hope the Browns are turning things around. Like the Bills I see them potentially being a dangerous team in the 2019 season. I just think a lot of people, OP included, are a little too optimistic about the Browns this season. Turnarounds take time...especially from 1-15 and 0-16. I expect to see improvement from them, but they're not going to go "Zero to Hero" in just one season.

Do they have a coach that can take them?

Now now, let the doom and gloom fans have their moment. Not picking the QB they wanted, and/or getting rid of Tyrod Taylor automatically makes us a 3-4 win team in their eyes. I mean, it's not like our defense has improved from last year with free agent signings and the draft. The idea of us winning a number of games based on defense first...you know, like last year...is just silly. Our four games against the Jets and Dolphins alone should net us 3-4 wins. Wait, wait...I forgot...the Jets' drafted a QB at 3, and that rookie will automatically make them a better team then us. Also, remember that the TT fans will have Cleveland going 16-0 and winning the Super Bowl, because Tyrod is a god saddled with the Bills, who will show his true power with the Browns. Because it's just that easy to go from 0-16 to contender. It's not like they still have their same coach, or have so many new faces there's no cohesion there at all, something that will have to happen over time. Wait...actually, that's exactly all true. Lemmie sum up this thread..."I didn't like the moves the Bills made in the offseason, so they're automatically gonna drop from 9 wins to 3-4 wins. If they had just listened to me..." ? ...as for the post itself, I've said it before, Buffalo again goes 9-7 with a Wild Card birth. As for the Browns, I think TT gets them to 5-6 wins at best.

I've watched them since the '80s, thank you. Sadly it's obvious you've got rose-tinted glasses glued to your skull. I get it, you're a blind TT fan. It's just amusing you rail against others for not knowing what they are watching when you're doing the exact same thing.

Don't play the race card. Seriously, don't. Some fans know damn well what they're watching. They were watching an ultra-conservative QB with an astronomical QB rating because he refused to throw the ball farther then five yards to a receiver if he was covered...or might have been covered...or might even be seen by a defender anywhere on the field. He frequently underthrew open receivers, that is, if he saw them at all. He checked down practically every time, even on third and long. His careful approach prevented turnovers, but it also prevented big plays. The Bills were the only team in the league not to have a single pass play of 50+ yards last season. You want to tell me our receivers were so bad it was impossible for Tyrod to get one? Go watch some film, like the 22, and then try telling me that. There were a good number of plays last season where he gave up on receivers too early, and missed seeing them open. Tyrod's play vs. JAX was a wonderful encapsulation of him and what he brings. He's not going to lose you many games, but he's not going to win you many. He is the median, the black hole that elevates teams below the 8-8 mark, and brings down teams above it. I hold no hostility toward him, I respect what he did for the team. The fact though, is the Bills have simply outgrown him. Cleveland, bringing a 1-31 record to the table, is scraping the bottom and will be elevated by the aforementioned Tyrod black hole. And by the time the Browns outgrow him, Mayfield will be ready to take over. So no, my feelings toward Tyrod are not motivated by ignorance or racism, and I strongly resent the implication of either. All else fails, play the race card? That is both pathetic and insulting.

Not just the Bills, the Cards are trolling them too!

We...prefer not to use the word 'cult'...

Quantify "worst". Are we talking week 1 starters? Backups? Potential? You noted "situation", so let's play all-or-nothing. If the Bills have the worst, then there should be no team you wouldn't want to make a wholesale swap with, then. If we are the worst, it would only make sense to perform a full swap with any other team. Right now would you trade all our QBs for all of Miami's? Jax's? Detroit? Tampa? If you answered 'no' to any of those, you don't think we have the worst QB situation in the league.

"In related news, the Keebler Elves are being signed to a one-year deal to replace the Buffalo Jills. While not acting as cheerleaders, they will boost crowd morale by baking them cookies." ...sorry, I need some sort of source for news before I give it serious consideration.

No offense taken! I just really wanted to try a streak, but it really doesn't work well for that particular buffalo. In our current logo, the horn is vertical, while this one is almost horizontal, and that's before you even get to the pose. I'm far happier with the white on red and red on white streakless variants I posted a page prior.

Oh wow, that looks amazing. Thanks!

Last one. Not sure why I was so hell-bent on finishing tonight, but yay productivity? Same buffalo as the last two. However, this one was brought in-line with our current logo and helmet color. I cleaned up the image, recolored the buffalo blue this time, and added a stripe. I'm actually kinda fond of this one. And now...I desperately need sleep! >.<

Logo design #2. This one is similar to another one posted earlier. This time it's the Buffalo I used above, but this time it's a red buffalo meant for a white helmet, a throwback to the old standing Buffalo helmet from long gone days. And again, sadly, I don't have the skill to mock this logo onto a helmet. I think this would look pretty sharp with our current uniforms.

Alright! Been playing with the standing Buffalo that was posted earlier and I've got two variants in mind. First one was a touch easier to make. Still working on the other. Idea number one is a modified version that is a white Buffalo on a red helmet (letting us go back to full red, white and blue). Yes, I'm aware how terrible the white on red "throwback" helmet was, but I actually like the look of this. If I recall, the white Buffalo was actually considered sacred in Native American culture, which is why the Sabres keep using it in that color. Sadly I lack the skill to mock it onto a helmet. Here it is, though...

"Heeeeeey! I though we agreed that on Monday it was my turn to wear red and you can wear it on Friday! Now we're both wearing red! Talk about awkward. I'm telling coach!"

The possessed goat head unis? I'll confess I loved those as well. If there wasn't so much history behind our current ones, I'd be perfectly happy if they went back to them.

I...actually have to give that logo a few points. I hated it. I still do. It is ugly as all hell. But...there is symbolism buried in it. If you tilt it forward, you get a 'B' for Buffalo. There is actually a saber embedded in the logo...eye area is the handle, the horn is the cross-guard and the blue streak is the blade. I...complement them for shoving all of that into one logo. Just...there's a reason it's tricky to make a symbolic logo...the end result still needs to look good. At this...was a mess. Anyone else find it ironic that one nickname for the Buffalslug was "Donald Trump's Hairpiece"...then years down the line Trump becomes one of three finalists for purchasing the Bills?

Hmm, now this has me wondering, if we continue with red, white and blue...what would this look like on a darker blue helmet? Or maybe a chrome white helmet...damn these endless possibilities... >.>

My efforts to make a mock have ended in failure, so I'll just post the idea. If was going to change the unis up, I think I do like the Red, White and Blue theme we had in the Super Bowls era. But...with a few changes. First, if we're looking at a red helmet, road pants have to be blue. Seriously, look at pics from SB XXV. We had red helmets, white shirts and pants. Looked like a bunch of lighthouses. Second, the red on the helmet was a bit too bright (honestly, I absolutely hated that shade of red for our helmets). Why not have a darker red, perhaps even a chrome red helmet, with tweaking to the logo color shading? Something like... Then for the uniforms, I'd keep the actual design as it is now. I'd just change any of the red trim/piping/portions of the uni from red to a chrome red to match the helmet. Finally, I'd then darken the uniform a bit to better match the helmet. Would still be blue, just a bit darker. Not as dark as the Drew Bledsoe era Bills, maybe a shade halfway between that and our current. I think it would all look sharp tied together. The Bills would still have their identity, still have the symbol. They would return to the red, white and blue of the Super Bowl years...a color scheme unique to them, even if the Pats did try to steal our image with their last uni change. At the same time, we'd have something that looked a little sharper, edgier, and of course something most dear to the NFL...marketability!

"Today the Patriots tested their new system for removing Brady even more quickly from plays where he throws an interception..."

Ugh, anyone know a good online site or such to make mock-up helmets? I'm having zero luck. All I can find are photoshop templates that don't work properly in the Gimp. >.>

Ironically... I actually don't like the old red standing buffalo helmet. It seems quite bland and monotone, far from dynamic. I know you're getting ready to blast me because I'm a 44-year old punk that grew up with the newer logo...but! My father, who attended games in the old rockpile hated that logo. Every time he saw it, he'd refer to it as "...the standing Buffalo! You know! The one that looks like a cow is standing in a meadow taking a dump!" I'm...less hostile toward it. I agree with many posters. I actually love what we've got right now. Favorite uni combo to date. However, the OP made it clear this thread was not about whether or not we should change the unis, rather if we did change them...what should we change it to. In the spirit of that topic, I have an idea, and will start poking around online and with Gimp, to see if I can't make a mock-up!

Unless he has mastered an ancient secret for rejuvinating his own flesh with the raw power of his ego, Tom's going to slow down. The problem is, he thinks he's immortal, that it's a mental thing, that he won't have to retire until he wants to. Sorry, that's a call your body can make for you. Personally, I think it's ego-driven. He wants more rings, wants more press clippings, wants to be the QB that went to his mid-40s, anything and everything to pad his legacy. I almost get the impression he'd be lost if he retired. No games, no drama, no NFL experts talking about him being the GOAT week in and out. He'd miss the limelight. I just have a very bad feeling Father Time will catch up to him, and his legacy will end with him curled up in a broken ball on the field after a clean hit in a regular season game. About the farthest thing from riding off into the sunset.

Read it carefully. I have no trouble believing NE considered it, called, asked how much it would cost to move up and 'nope'ed out of that immediately. Like when you see something nice in the store, pick it up, check the price tag, go white and walk away...