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This is the NFL. Most QB have elite arm talent. Its about using it smartly and consistently. That is why I dont like the one pass shows he can do things no one else can. Go watch every other NFL QB throw passes at practice in games etc. They will all wow you. I played in college and there were QB's that never touched the field that could make amazing throws all the time. Why is that negative. Said it was a great pass. My comment was around the no one else can do this idea.

Not taking anything away from that pass. Fine play indeed. But never like the only so and so can make that play comments. Again great play and awareness stepping up in the pocket, but most QB's in the NFL can make that pass. Dont always do it and neither does Allen, but can.

I think most people are talking without watching. Folks should go watch some games and then say it is only because of the system or he would not do well in our system etc. He actually is doing a lot of the same things as Josh. Difference is when he runs he is faster and makes you miss rather. Josh has good speed but not at this level and Josh does not have the same evasiveness. When throwing he has good arm strength to make the throws and has shown great touch. Josh has a stronger arm, but not quite as accurate and Josh needs more work on throwing touch passes. Lastly, both can improvise. Jackson can escape the pass rush and keep plays alive a bit better than Allen.

How can you say Josh is by far the most intelligent? Please dont say his wonderlic score.

Have you played QB or coached QB's? Josh last year was clearly a QB having trouble with the speed of the game. Luckily for Josh he is a tremendous athlete which helped offset that to some degree. The point is that is not desirable and not going to lead to long term success. Hence this year he is much improved on and his running numbers are down. Lamar has success running the ball by design. There is no desire for him to run less because he is ditching the pocket. Two different things. You can win with a balanced attack and good defense. At some point you will need to throw the ball.

Big difference between running because your not making your reads or not throwing a pass that you should and designed runs. Lets not get confused. Lamar Jackson is running designed runs and making reads throwing the ball. Josh last year was having a hard time and relying on his athletic ability.

Beat NE 37-20 and the media pays more attention. Then follow that up by scoring 49, 41, 45. That is why he gets so much attention. If he was winning games like the Bills are it would be a different story. Nothing to see here.

I would probably prefer someone that has played QB or at least football a bit longer... Assignments vs option QB. One player has QB and another the RB. You dont care who actually has the ball. Players learn this in college if not high school and below.

Daboll. I think our fans place higher valuer on him than the outside world. But who knows - anything can happen. We have seen plenty of people get hired because the story of how smart they are without stats that support the story. Sometimes the story is right and sometimes the stats are right.

Hughes Lawson Alexander White Hyde Poyer Milano So 7 of our starting 11...

I think we need less Lorax and go more nickel and dime. Play him like you do an option QB with a guy assigned the QB and another the RB. Play zone in the secondary, keep him inside the pocket and contained.

I agree. There is a temporary elite - like a Mahomes that has looked like the best at his position but only in a short time period or even the current obsession with L Jackson. Then there is the proven, been there, done that with numbers and victories to support - Brady, Brees, Rodgers type guys. So much is relative. If say Stafford was on the Bills with this defense what does that do for this team? Or you give Prescott the Bills WR what do his numbers look like? There is team success and individual player success. The Saints kept winning with Teddy B...does that mean he is a good QB or they have a good team and supporting players?

You must be confusing me. I do not have a crusade. I am simply stating what I think is the obvious. Allen has a ton of room for improvement. If this team had a average or bad defense the entire discussion would be different because the Bills are likely not 9-3. Allen has yet to join the elite passers. He may never join them. If the Bills can maintain a great defense and good running game they can still win for years to come. If the defense starts to decline they will need a better passing attack and hopefully Allen is up for the challenge at that point. He has all the potential in the world to do that.

Brady has thrown for 300 yds 5 times this year. Did it 5x last year and 6 the year before. Rodgers 3x this year and 4x last year Brees 3x this year (out half year), 6x last year Mahomes 6x this year, 10x last year Wilson 3x this year, 1x last year I could keep listing QB's. Point is not the number of times or using this as the measure of greatness. But the fact that Allen is at 0 is meaningful. He plays more consistent in a number of games this year and he easily passes 300 yds. It is not by design he did not hit 300, rather his inconsistent play in those games. That is who he is at this point. The Bills have adjusted and are back to using his strengths.

Why argue this? Everyone has eyes and has seen Allen struggle. Admit that and move on. He has improve and is still improving, but lets not pretend he has chosen not to throw for 300 yards or done enough etc. If he played better in games there would be no need for any late game drives, etc. And my 40-50 was an exaggeration. But he has thrown the ball 30+ times in 7 games.

Most if not all are not saying you you need 300 yards at all cost. If your offense is playing well and dominating the game then great whether you throw for 100 or 400 yards. The point was discussed more in that the Bills offense has struggled at times AND Allen was not putting up the yards. That is not the be all end all but is a concern. Especially in some games when he is throwing 40-50 times. Luckily Daboll has seen the light as of late and realized Allen is not ready to be the 40-50 attempts for 300 yd QB and needs a more balanced approach to be successful. That is what many were clamoring for all along. Play to Allen strengths at this point in his career, which is best suited for a balanced attack resulting in him throwing for closer to 200 than 300 and ideally running for another 50 from Allen and 100 from our RB's. So both sides are right. No Allen does not need to throw for 300 yds to win. Yes Allen did fail to throw for 300 yds when he was being asked to do so. This offense is built around the run and a balanced attack, not 100% by design but also due to Allen's early career limitations.

I guess my mindset is not on us being at 10-6. That would be a huge letdown given it means losses to BAL, PIT and NE. Higher expectations...must win 1 if not 2 of those games.

Bills likely playing KC or Houston; Also chance TEN if they can beat HOU twice. TEN would be best case, but dont see it. Who do we want to play HOU or KC? I have to go HOU because you have to think KC turns it on in the playoffs.

Come on now. Your trying way too hard to twist by statement into an attack on Allen. I did not say he isnt a very good QB in my statements. Again, I just said the stats do not paint the entire picture. No different than those who say him throwing for 300 yards does not matter. It is all relative.

I am not talking at all about his recent play or overall play. My only point was that the game winning drive and comeback win stats get used very liberally and if you actually look at those games they do not meet the argument of what people are generally saying.

I will play.... 3 of the 4 this year were vs CIN, NYJ and MIA. Those were games we had no business needing the late game heroics. JA had played poorly in these games requiring some bad teams to give away games. MIA counts as a comeback but reality is we scored to start the 4th quarter, so technically yes, but not really what I call a comeback win. Last year he gets credit for: TEN - We ran the ball basically the entire drive with McCoy and Ivory and kicked a FG to win. JAC - Tie game and we scored to start the 4th qtr and we scored on 1st play of the 4th qtr from JAC 14. So technically yes, but not really what is a GWD. DET - Scored with about 10 min left in 4th. Yes gets credit for comeback and GWD but... I only debate this because I think people use these 7 GWD stats too loosely. Like it shows how he can play when he needs to so nothing else matters. Just not true. I want him to play well and not need to fight for easy wins - win like we did vs DAL and DEN. Lets see the heroics vs NE or BAL this week.

Why is it bitching? It is undeniable Allen had some games in which he played poorly. The offense was struggling. Hence it is ok to discuss. As I said, some prefer to look at that and say what do you expect, he has no WR or whatever to dismiss the poor play. Obviously McD/Daboll or whoever realized it as well because there have been big changes in playcalling, game management, player useage, etc. So in reality those with concerns were legit or else there would have been no changes needed.

This is a good point. I do still think there is something to passing ability vs. scheme. Both Allen and Jackson at this point are more scheme attacks as you say with both the passing and running abilities. Neither in my mind is that pure passer - Brees, Rodgers, etc. Until you are outschemed I think you can win the Jackson/Allen way. Concern is will the league catch up to you? Both these guys do have arms and can improve their passing abilities and negate that concern over time.

Haha at all those people that once thought the world was flat. What idiots. Cant believe that. Where are they all hiding now. Wish they would come post on here trying talk that nonsense again.

The point is you have to be able to pass when you need to. If you a have a good defense then you can control the game and not worry about passing yards, etc. But if you fall behind then you better be able to throw the ball. If Allen had even 1-2 300yd passing games this would be less of a discussion point. He and the Bills of recent years have not shown they can go out there and throw the ball around the field if needed. Doesnt mean you suck. Just that you need to win by controlling the game not in a shootout.